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Bush Backed Spying On Americans
jb.hl.com writes "President Bush allowed security agents to eavesdrop on people inside the U.S. without court approval after 9/11, the New York Times has reported. The report says that under a 2002 presidential order, the National Security Agency has been unconstitutionally and illegally monitoring international communications of hundreds in the U.S. When asked about the programme on U.S. TV, the Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, said, 'The president acted lawfully in every step that he has taken.'"
Where are Dubya's defenders now? Do you, GOP fans, want the NSA reading your email?
sulli
RTFJ.
Jeez, as soon as a Democrat stops marching in complete lock-step with the Party, all the little rats really turn on him, eh?
Fuck it
...to see how utterly simplistic a forum full of self-important, would-be intellectuals can be. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to intercept international phone calls and emails for about 500 people who are strongly suspected of being terrorists? Yes.
Would you rather have allowed terrorists to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge and killed who-knows-how-many people in the process? That is exactly what you are saying.
Most of us who are reasonable understand that protecting the rights (which arguably weren't violated, by the way) of terrorists should take a backseat to saving lives. Everyone of you who are whining and moaning are openly admitting that you prefer that the Brooklyn Bridge not exist today and that people had died in its destruction to the surveilance of a few likely terrorists.
Furthermore, every last one of you would be badmouthing Bush for letting the Brooklyn Bridge be destroyed and for not stopping it if he hadn't allowed this surveilance. You're all a bunch of small-minded hypocrites.
No...we elected him once. The first time he took office, he was appointed by the Supreme Court (a national first, not to mention thoroughly unconstitutional and illegal.
Action should have been taken there and then to stop this malignancy from spreading, but we chose to sit on our hands instead.
In the long run, everybody gets the kind of government they deserve. Americans are living proof of that...we've turned into a global cautionary tale.
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Let me get this straight: Bush authorizes the NSA to monitor as many as 500 people in the USA and that's news?! It would be newsworthy if the NSA had been monitoring every knucklehead who thought he was clever by combining Bush's name with Hitler (that would be, um, about two million adolescents (many posting on Slashdot today), but they weren't. Wanna bet when the facts come out that those 500 will turn out to be legitimate suspects (i.e., they overstayed their visa, or maybe they had ties to terrorist organizations like hamas)? We'll see. The media has been trying to pin some crime on Bush for five years, they haven't laid a glove on him. Merry Christmas! --Chris
"I improvise. It's my greatest talent. I prefer situations to plans..." --Wintermute, William Gibson's "Neuromancer"
"Unbelievable. Nice link."
There's a reason for that. The New York Times???
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
Lieberman is more than a Democrat, he's a Jewish democrat, and if you've heard the rhetoric coming out of Iran (from their president no less) directed towards Israel, you'll understand why he's behind our military's occupation of that region.
Well, to decent people, it doesn't take a Jew to think it odious for some dick of a tyrant to work on WMD and threaten to attack Israel. It's not like Saddam or the Ayatollah or any dictator has sovereignty or anything, so it seems pretty reasonable for the U.S. and any other sane society to occupy and democratize "that region."
They seem perfectly content to sit back and wait for polls to tell them what to say, when any rational set of humman beings would have stood up long ago and put an end to this nonsense. I mean if you can't stand up to a dope like George Bush, who can you stand up to?
What a mess.
Quite true. A lot of us aren't in any way GOP-ers, and yet when the only "competition" is a gang of hateful, venal monkey's asses who can't stand up to a "stupid chimp" and who would sell out thousands of soliders' lives and hundreds of thousands of innocents and the future of their country for the chance at midterm seat gains, well, thank god there's other stuff to be optimistic about!
Fuck it
Another useful idiot -- how depressing.
Fuck it
BTW -- I used to consider myself a Republican. I don't know what to call myself now.
Amen, brutha! I'm still a (mostly) republican. The Party left me behind when it abandoned its principles.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
You're right -- it takes a retard. Arabs (other than a psychotic despot and his hanger-on thugs) gained by far the most from America's liberation of Iraq, and it's the millions of oppressed Iranian youths who would benefit most from a removal of their illegitimate trolls. Nothing to do with Arabs.
Why the fuck are you standing up for the twats who make life unlivable for tens of millions of Arabs? Oh, right... you identify Arabs with their non-representative despots, something a lot of morons like to do.
Fuck it
What a mental image- a morph from an old white Jew boy to a small yappy purple dinosaur....
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
One fact. One ounce of proof.
Idiot.
Democrats.
If an Israeli attack hits Iran from Iraqi airspace, Iran will cross the border into Iraq.
...and meet head on with US forces. Which gives the US a reason to enter the fray without actually entering the fray.
;-)
People look up, see planes flying south by southwest. Iranians put 2 and 2 together, invade Iraq.
Heck, that's even worse: it allows the Iranians to assume the planes were US forces.
I seriously doubt it would take very long for Israel to claim responsibility for the attack. Iran could persecute the US for it, but that would only galvanize US citizens into defending ourselves against "those middle east nuts". Iran wouldn't last long under US siege, regardless of our history with the occupation of Iraq.
By the way, if you're jamming radar, you are the exact opposite of stealth.
I never claimed any different. The F-22 is equipped with both Stealth capabilites AND focused radar jamming equipment. Depending on the mission profile, it can easily use stealth at long range, radar jamming at close range, and still make it the hell out at supersonic velocities without anyone knowing what hit them. Or so the brochure says.
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The same things that are wrong with you. Deal with it; we have to deal with you.
MOD PARENT UP, INSIGHTFUL
You guys are hilarious.
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"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
Can I try?
"I'm fully in support of Al-Qeada," said Howard Dean, "I hope they kill every stupid redneck in the country!"
"No shit," chimed in Nancy Pelosi, "I'd love to see the murder of all those goddamn Republicans. They get in the way of our utopian love-state."
One aide tried to calm the histrionics, until he was shot in the head by Al Franken. Franken called for the immediate nuclear annihilation of Israel, the return of the Louisiana purchase to the French, and the dismantling of our armed forces.
"Everyone in the military is just a repressed Nazi jackbooted thug," said Franken, before engaging in a deep soul kiss with John Murtha, Congressman and former Vietnam veteran.
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You can have great fun tossing around unattributed quotations on what was said and done in a closed meeting? KEWL! It's like the news reportage version of anonymized dung-throwing. But hey, why bother with facts when speculation is so much more EMPOWERING, right?
My favorite part of TFA is this one:
""Oh, how I hate the phrase we have--a 'living document,'" Scalia says. "We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake."
"We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones," Scalia warns. "Don't think that it's a one-way street."
Yes, exactly. Read it again. HE'S SAYING THAT TAKING AWAY RIGHTS IS BAD. He's using the example of the Leftist USSC judges 'reading' rights into the consitution as WEAKENING it because if you can that easily add rights you can ipso facto 'read' them away...which is a BAD THING.
My god, Liberals are so fraking stupid when their dander is up. And you have the nuts to call Bush a self-righteous idiot?
-Styopa
Well, yes, you're probably right. But for some reason a lot of America-haters seem to get excitable when you point out that they hate America.
Fuck it