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Bush Backed Spying On Americans
jb.hl.com writes "President Bush allowed security agents to eavesdrop on people inside the U.S. without court approval after 9/11, the New York Times has reported. The report says that under a 2002 presidential order, the National Security Agency has been unconstitutionally and illegally monitoring international communications of hundreds in the U.S. When asked about the programme on U.S. TV, the Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, said, 'The president acted lawfully in every step that he has taken.'"
Glad I didn't vote for that giant douche, i voted for turd sandwich.
actually they got the names and contacts from a terrorist's computer and phone book, and these were all international calls which is legal. So its even more innocuous than you thought. But yeah, slashdot is turning into a tech news themed democratic underground.
"In the game of life, someone always has to lose. To me, if life were fair, that someone would always be Oklahoma." -DKR
The Surrender Monkeys are out in force today, still eager to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. I for one look forward to national policy being made by Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Teddy Kennedy, not! Do you remember that the inaction of Clinton and Albright allowed world terror to come to full maturity? They are the criminals.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and Gonzales
Todays equivalent of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Hamilton, bless'em.
an ill wind that blows no good
1) innocent until proven guilty -> earliest article I could find via Google was 20 hours ago. This is fresh. Lets give it time for the smoke to settle and see if this is legit.
/sarcasm. 500/295,000,000 = 1.6*10^-9 %chance of getting "spied upon." That is in the noise, folks. Now while I understand your ideological concerns with it, much more real concerns to me right now are getting over this damn virus, I've been sick for a week and a half, and getting home to my family for Christmas. Then I'll worry about my 1 in 590,000 chance of having been spied upon. Thanks.
2) According to the reports, he didn't spy he authorized the NSA. According to Condoleezza and Scott McClellan he "Acted within the law." So right now its tit-for-tat, whose telling the truth? Again, lets wait for the smoke to clear and everyone to get their stories straight
3) According to the accuser "up to 500 people were spied upon." Wow.
-everphilski-
If you somehow are a target to be eavesdropped upon, maybe you did something to deserve it. If my "civil" rights get violated and their actions end up stopping another 9/11, then damn it its worth it. If they read my emails all they would see is "1NCRE4SE YOUR S1ZE NOW!!!@", if you have somethign to be hiding, then stop crying when you get caught. The government doesnt have the resources to just drop in on farmer bob, they are doing what they do for a reason, its time we wake up and realise we need to give up some freedom in order to keep it.
I must have been taking a nap, or out of the office... Becuase I apparently missed the memo that Slashdot decided to start posting entirely political stories targetted at the President of the United States.
We've always had some political issues arise in comments, but can we atleast let our geek news site not get sucked into publicly bashing the leader of the free world?
I don't care if you like him or not, he's the president, have some respect for heaven's sake. Didn't your mother teach you to be polite to your elders? Don't you show respect to the CEO of your company, even if he's a dick? Just becuase a bunch of propogandizing media outlets feel its appropriately to bash every politician that will make the juciest story, doesn't mean we all have to follow suit. We are all americans, and I beleive the vast majority of our politicians, including Mr. Bush, are actually doing their best.... even if their best isn't good enough, they deserve the same decent treatment you'd give to the ticket taker at your local movie theater.
Big ones, small ones, some as big as yer 'ead!
Give 'em a twist, a flick o' the wrist...
Well, to decent people, it doesn't take a Jew to think it odious for some dick of a tyrant to work on WMD and threaten to attack Israel.
Nor does it take an Arab to think it odious for some nation to work on WMD (and actually produce 200-400 nuclear weapons, instead of 1/4 the work to create a single one), and then threaten to attack both Iran and Iraq.
Man on crucifix terrorizes church, demands they eat his flesh and blood. Details at 11.
Here we see the ugly underbelly of liberal media again. The NSA still conforms to the 4th Amendment. Just because some liberal, Bush bashing, hack shilling a book thinks otherwise don't make it true.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Leiberman is shit on a stick. I don't care if he's Libertarian. He's a fundamentalist - one stripe away from the Taliban, and damned close to being a Jewish Tom DeLay. Also, he's a mole for Israel, and sells away US strategic interest and lives for temporary Israeli security goals on a regular basis.
I'm no Demo, either. Last party I registered with was the Black Panthers.
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
Between spying on Americans and disarming Americans?
Conservatives are accused of one, liberals are accused of the other.
There is a current investigation going on right now on how Clinton used the IRS to harass political enemies. This isn't a violation of some right?? Stop drinking the punch!
The poster wasn't alleging any actual capital crime carrying the death sentence, but was suggesting the President should be killed because of policies he disagreed with, as an example.
Do you really think the President could / would / should be impeached and imprisoned for LIFE, or even EXECUTED, because somewhere between 500 and a couple of thousand people with possible / likely connections to terrorists didn't (allegedly) have all of the needed paperwork for proper surveillance filled out by the government? Life imprisonment or execution for a violation of privacy, even if it is 2,000 people? That view seems extreme. That sort of thing is normally handled by throwing out illegally gained evidence in court.
As a clear enemy to the people of the United States, upon Bush's indictment for war crimes, he should be held in prison before seeing trial for the exact number of days that he has held Jose Padilla (who is on his third year and counting).
Don't be troubled. Now that he has been indicted, Mr. Padilla will finally get the justice he deserves. I doubt that the likely outcome of that will leave you any happier.
As far as "war crimes" go... you're kidding yourself.
"...a clear enemy to the people of the United States.."
It would be far more accurate to refer to President Bush as "an object of obsession and hatred to the moon bats of the looney left fringe."
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell