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Google To Purchase Stake In AOL For $1 Billion

Lord Haha writes "It appears that Google may be on the verge of purchasing a 5% stake in AOL." From the article: "A tie-up with Google would make sense. Time Warner has been losing out online to rivals like Microsoft and Yahoo. For its part, Google may be interested in getting access to AOL's e-mail and instant messaging service. It would strengthen Google's hand against rivals Yahoo and Microsoft, who have well-established webmail and instant messaging services. Google is a relative newcomer to this area with Gmail and Googletalk." More commentary on News.com. Big change from just a few days ago.

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  1. Bad Idea For Google by pdevor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People will say it's a good idea so Google can hold onto AOL's subscriber base, but realistically if AOL aligned with microsoft, people would just leave AOL's sinking ship even faster than they already are.

    Bottom line: Google can find a better way to spend that money.

  2. With a budget of $1bn... by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Couldn't Google simply start it's own ISP and grow it to at least 5% the size of AOL? That would give it all the leverage (or more because they can't be outvoted by the other 95%) with none of the nasty associations.

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    1. Re:With a budget of $1bn... by FatRatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google aren't buying an ISP, they're buying a relationship. Go take a look at Google's financial statements. AOL accounts for a HUGE chunk of Google revenue. This is exactly why Google, Yahoo and Microsoft have been clamoring to throw money Time Warner's way: whoever got the deal would almost certainly get AOL's paid search / advertisement business. Google and Yahoo want it for the revenue stream; MS less so for the money itself, more for cutting off the revenue supply of competitors (i.e. Google).

      Anything else Google gets from AOL in this deal is just icing on the cake.

  3. How to get around "Don't be evil" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this how they get around their "Don't be evil" (phoney) mantra? By buying and outsourcing all the evil to a company that's very good at being evil?

    1. Re:How to get around "Don't be evil" ? by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By buying and outsourcing all the evil to a company that's very good at being evil?

      I'd hardly call purchasing 5% of a companies shares "buying a company" to outsource to. I think its more of a technique to make AOL not be evil during the share holder meetings.

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    2. Re:How to get around "Don't be evil" ? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Is this how they get around their "Don't be evil" (phoney) mantra? By buying and outsourcing all the evil to a company that's very good at being evil?"

      Yeah, because AOL is SOOOOO evil. They were so evil that they bankrolled TiVo when it was starting out. So evil that even after Netscape became a non-entity, they ponied up money to spin Mozilla off as a non-profit so that development could still happen without pesky TimeWarner shareholders demanding it be closed down. So evil that they partnered with iTunes so that people could use iTunes through their AOL user name, thereby improving the audience of iTunes. So evil that they aided the antitrust litigation against Microsoft. So evil that they partnered with Apple over iChat. So evil that they provided a great deal of bandwidth for popular podcasts like *This Week in Tech* so that the podcasters didn't have to pay for the bandwidth.

      Yep, that's really evil in my book.

      I really wish Google took over a larger chunk of AOL, myself. Tie MapQuest to GoogleMaps. GoogleTalk to AIM. AOL through a Google sponsored Firefox web browser. DigitalCities and MovieFone directly tied to AdSense. WinAmp spun off as an open source non-profit entity. Not to mention leveraging the AOL brand for commercial wifi.

      Oh, not to mention getting back to that Steve Case goal of smashing Microsoft which the rest of TimeWarner had objections to...

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  4. Why? by soccerUSA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Makes no sense to me. Why buy 5% of a sinking dial-up provider?

    1. Re:Why? by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Which is a free service paid for by advertisements (the graphic, non-google kind) and is technically compitition to Google's IM service, Google Talk.

      My guess would be more like Google wanting to leverage AOL's user base (they are the largest ISP, IIRC) for something. Of course, Google could also then get it's toolbar integrated into AOL's browser.

    2. Re:Why? by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simple really. Google keeps AOL from Microsoft.

      Google is used by AOL Search right now. Just the amount of traffic and ad revenue from that results in like $400 million per year in Google's coffers and is 10% of their traffic.

      Without AOL, it deals a decent blow to Google, especially if it were Microsoft who takes it.

      I'm sure this deal will result in a tighter integration between Google and AOL services. Perhaps AIM will be opened up for real to any client, especially GTalk. Perhaps Gmail (or at least its interface) will replace AOL Mail.

      Who knows.

      The main thing though is that Google is paying $1 billion, but will easily recoup that due to the $400+ million a year in revenue it gets from AOL to begin with. This deal is all about preventing Microsoft from expanding in the search area.

  5. Wait by Trip+Ericson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But doesn't AOL own the rights to the Netscape browser (repackaged Firefox)? If so, what does this do to the rumor about Opera?

  6. What happened to their motto? by kalirion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of "Do no evil" it will be "Partner up with evil"?

  7. Not News - Guesswork by VirtualAdept · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So, I took a look at the articles in question. No sources named whatsoever, no comments from company officials, nothing at all to indicate that this is actual news and not just news analysts throwing darts at a wall somewhere and hitting "Google buys AOL". Again, for that matter, since this is something like the third time that news reports of this deal have happened.

    Wake me up when actual news occurs - complete with named sources or a press release, or something to make me think that this is more than just some writers trying to sound like they're insiders.

  8. Why? by Fortress · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get it. Why would Google to do this? Where is the percentage?

    I really don't believe that they're after AOL's email service, as GMail is already the class of the field in webmail and a strong competitor for Yahoo and Hotmail. As for AIM, I thought Google launched their own IM service a while ago and it is likely to grow as well as previous Google projects.

    Is Google after customer data? An entry into the ISP field? I don't get it.

  9. Re:Difficult to understand by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, I suspect Google are throwing around the cash to keep existing their revenue share from disappearing. AOL accounts for a very large slice of Google's annual revenues. Its less buying *more* market share than it is keeping the revenue steam from disappearing.

  10. "AOL search results to receive favored placement" by marktwen0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This comment from the NYTimes coverage:

    "Google, which prides itself on the purity of its search results, agreed to give favored placement to content from AOL throughout its site, something it has never done before."

    The beginning of the end, if true.

  11. Other Technologies by bbambrey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think something to also consider is AOL spent years buying up random small technologies and companies... but then did nothing with them. A couple examples from the top of my head are Winamp and Netscape. Include this with the obvious items that have already been listed and who knows what could happen. I don't know what Google may or may not be after but there could be potential there. More than likely this is just a move to keep AOL from MS for the time being. After all it is only a 5% purchase not a merger. It will be interesting to see what happens.

  12. Re:I'm Confused on the whole Good / Evil thing. by dan+g · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you add a teaspoon of fine wine to a barrel of shit, you still have a barrel shit. On the other hand, if you add a teaspoon of shit to a barrel of fine wine you now have a barrel of shit.

  13. Bad Move, Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You've been hoodwinked by AOL management. The way that AOL works internally will clash to a large degree with how Google does things. AOL people suffer to a large degree from the Not Invented Here syndrome, and get caught up in endless internal fiefdom disputes. The only saving grace here is that you didn't go for 10%. (used to work @ AOL, very glad to be out - most AOL'ers are clueless)

  14. Re:New instant messenger? by tommers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is interesting is that if AIM opens their network to Google, Google would most likely pressure them into going through the open protocol. If they did that, it would mean that Yahoo and MSN could join it as well. Since Google has the most invested interest in getting all the networks open, since they have by far the smallest user base, it would significantly benefit them to get access to AOL's network, even if it meant Yahoo and MSN could go along for the ride (which Google has encouraged anyway). This could be a big win for everyone and might result in the IM wars being fought entirely in terms of features and experience, not network lockin.

    But maybe for all these reasons, AOL will be unwilling to open themselves up, or they might be able to persuade Google to make Google Talk work with AOL's network in a closed manner.

    We'll see.