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Robot Demonstrates Self-awareness

shinyplasticbag writes "A new robot can recognize the difference between a mirror image of itself and another robot that looks just like it. ... The ground-breaking technology could eventually lead to robots able to express emotions."

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  1. Shenanigans on a robot??? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The minute I read this commentary I thought of a way to do this: LEDs blinking randomly and being matched up by robots as their own. I read the article second, and guess what? That isn't how this works, but it seems similar. In fact, I think they should just put together a basic infrared (invisible) LED, make the robot blink it at a really complex pattern, and if it reads that blinking in a mirror, it not only knows that it is itself, but it also knows how far away it is. LEDs can transmit tens of thousands of cycles of on/off patterns, right? I guess another robot could read this LED, perform an act, and send the same message back, making the original robot believe it's looking in a mirror farther away, but there are ways to fix that (multiple LEDs at a set distance).

    I call shens on this self aware robot. Can you do that?

    Self awareness is more than seeing a pattern you know you are doing and realizing its you doing it. Self awareness to me means "I know I exist" not just "Hey! That's me!"

    Scientists reinvent the same wheel as always, and then say how it will save society. Reason? Finding investors/grants.

  2. Not Self Awareness by MikeWasHere05 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't really self-awareness, just some good vision techniques. It recognizes key features of it's "face" compared to the normal face. Reminds me of the kind of things they use in face-recognition for security.

  3. Define "Self Aware" by civman2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think being able to tell the difference between a reflection and not a reflection makes a robot self aware. True self awareness comes when a robot can actually think and communicate in ways it wasn't originally programmed to.

  4. Amazing ! by acaspis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most ridiculously overhyped slashdot headline ! Ever !

  5. Defining Self Awareness by betasam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Demonstrating "Self Awareness" is one thing, but defining it is probably the first step. I don't think there is a commonly accepted definition for this. The ability of two perfectly identical twins (hypothetically) to distinguish themselves, IMO is not self awareness, that's self identification. If a robot can identify itself in a group photograph, standing besides several other model look-alikes accurately (I wonder how this could be done), then that is self identification. I have trouble identifying one chimp from another, but no trouble distinguishing one human from another, sometimes even identical twins. Humans can identify their dog from a group of dogs of the same breed as theirs - clearly that's not "self-awareness". The same can be said for other pets or those working closely with wild animals. I believe there should be a different term used here.

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  6. You're right, but... by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the reference to self-awareness here is based on psychological understandings of self-awareness in human beings. Since Freud the understanding of human self-awareness has located the "mirror stage" as the key moment in child development, the point at which the child becomes aware of him/herself as an independent "self." Of course, the mistake here is to believe that the mirror stage itself is both a necessary and sufficient condition for self-awareness; it is for humans a necessary condition, but it is not a sufficient condition for any entity. Especially in this case, where the robots pass the mirror stage by what is essentially trickery in this context -- achieving not self-awareness but an ability to manifest a particular symptom of self-awareness.

    1. Re:You're right, but... by GenSolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to disagree that the mirror image is a necessary condition for humans. People who are born sightless still develop into self-aware adults. The recoginition of a mirror image as oneself is a key point at which the child demonstrates awareness and the ability to recognize said independent "self". Frankly, it's just a point where kids figure out that shiny objects reflect light and infer that the image in the mirror must be them. Self-awareness is a prerequisite.