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Free P2P In France?

cyberbian writes to tell us that earlier in the week the French Parliament voted to allow free sharing of music and movies on the Internet. This ruling puts them in direct conflict with both the Media companies and the rest of the French government. From the article: " If the amendment survives, France would be the first country to legalize so called peer-to-peer downloading, said Jean-Baptiste Soufron, legal counsel to the Association of Audionautes, a French group that defends people accused of improperly sharing music files. The law would be a blow to media companies that increasingly use the courts worldwide to sue people for downloading or sharing music and movie files. Entertainment companies such as Walt Disney Co., Viacom Inc. and News Corp.'s Fox say free downloading of unauthorized copies of TV shows and movies before they are released on DVD will cost them $5 billion in revenue this year."

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  1. Please ! by yogikoudou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please please stop saying that P2P is illegal. P2P is legal everywhere, downloading/uploading copyrighted material is illegal.

    By the way, stop using IP as an acronym for Intellectual Property, IP is Internet Protocol.

    1. Re:Please ! by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By the way, stop using IP as an acronym for Intellectual Property, IP is Internet Protocol.

      No, stop using IP as an acronym for Internet Protocol. Intellectual Property came first.

  2. Of course not ... by straybullets · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What the representants that rejected the government bill to ban P2P really want is to impose a new monthly tax that will be given back to the artists, kind of like what is done already with radio broadcasted music. Gee ... what a not so great idea !

    It is also important to note that among those so called pro P2P stand some of the most right winged politicians, namely Christine Boutin, known for her brain washed positions against abortion, homosexuality et al ... You would think of some better advocatee to defend freedom .

    IMO this pro P2P stand is taken by a bunch of know nothings politician that just want the free exposure and a chance to look modern and up to date, as the majority of the population here is pro P2P. All this noise is a real shame too as you would think that after 2 weeks of urban riots these people would have some more important things to care about.

    One good thing tho is that the actual "ministre de la culture" who is a total dick is in a real bad position now, being defeated by the left and right of the parliament.

    Rest assure that the right wing government will promptly deal with this situation and burry the problem fast.

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  3. A tax is worse than a ban... by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What the representants that rejected the government bill to ban P2P really want is to impose a new monthly tax that will be given back to the artists


    Seems bad, really bad... You can always break the law, as Heinlein once said: "But I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; If I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am responsible for everything I do." ("The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", 1966). It's much harder to avoid paying a tax that's built into the price you pay for access to the web.


    As I mentioned this morning on another story, the problem with illegal copying is that products are priced much higher than their true value. I was in France a couple of weeks ago and saw some fruit stands in Paris that worked based on customers' honesty. The fruit were in cardboard boxes on the sidewalk, you picked whatever you wanted and stepped into the store to pay. Are French people so honest that they will always pay the price? I don't think so. Although I wouldn't mind picking a few 500 euro bills from a box on the sidewalk and then step inside to write a check, no bank in France works the same way grocers do.


    Each business must work according to the product being sold. What's so wrong about this bill in France is that they seem to be transfering the duties of the merchant to others. Jewelers in France must provide their own safes and break-proof glass showcases. Fruitstand vendors must keep an eye for people who walk away without paying. Yet the media industry want to transfer to the ISPs the chore of making sure that no one copies a song without paying...

  4. This is going down by Lewisham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those that can't be bothered to RTFA, down the bottom you'll see:

    "The amendment was approved 30 to 28, with 22 members of the UMP voting in favor. While there are 577 members of the lower house, few were present for last night's vote."

    And if you look back up the article (obviously the author was trying to sensationalise this):

    "The government can overturn the amendment, either by re- opening debate or if the Senate votes it down when the bill moves to the upper house. French Culture Minister Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres has asked that parliament re-open debate on the amendment today, Agence France Presse reported."

    So only one-tenth of the house were present for the amendment. It seems like everyone else had gone home. 22 of the votes in favour were by a (what appears to be) minority party. As soon as parliament reconvenes, this will be gone. It's way too crazy/stupid/radical, I very much doubt the majority party want this, and you'd need a serious rebellion from that party in order to push this through.

    It's not news so much as a political machination that happens all the time ("Quick! They're asleep! Slip in that amendment!")

  5. Re:So stop withholding the product by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't want to work with the internet, because they fear piracy.
    Well considering the way the general populace of the internet has behaved, I don't blame them.

    And in doing that, they are directly responsible for most of the file trading.
    False. Movies are traded on P2P because people like getting shit for free. There's really no philosophy, unless it's mentioned and people hide behind one "Uh yeah, cause I can't buy it. Right." It's only a question of whether it's J-Random-Warezd00d or the studio releasing it unprotected first. The feeding frenzy that is p2p trading would be just as vigorous.

  6. Re:law world wide? by utnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. there are media companies all over the world, and their files are all traded in france like everywhere else.

    2. this plants ideas into the minds of legislators everywhere and gives them a test-bed (france) where it's effects can be seen.

    3. people worldwide will see this and wonder why THEY don't have similar legislation. We, in the US, do this all the time... anytime something shows up in europe people over here start mentioning it left and right. 'how come WE don't have a law that does such and such???" such copycats...

    Basically this is going to start to show to the world that the sharing of files isn't going to cause nazi's to ride in on dinosaurs...

  7. Clarification by ursabear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some things to clarify, after reading the comments... P2P is a technology. It is an excellent technology. The 'net grandaddys wanted to make it so we could do this very thing.

    I'm really tired of the thinking of RIAA == musicians. This isn't true. Most artists care about their music and their fans.

    Only a small portion of artists are bling-bling, Ferrari-drivin', $100,000-watch-wearing, $20M-mansion-living people. The vast majority of us musicians are average, have normal lives, and make normal livings. (It's surprising that rich musicians can be just as terrible as us poor musicians, isn't it?)

    The music business is evolving (albeit more slowly than music itself). It will all work out fine in the end. Things will go in such a way that people will make money somehow, and fans will get their product.

    It is OK to want to protect one's works. If anarchy was the rule of the day, many of the nay-sayers wouldn't have jobs. Somehow, some way, there's got to be a healthy balance between sharing/access and sales/income. Standing in your living room saying that music and movies should be free because you're entitled to them is narrow-minded. If you'd like stuff for free, work with artists - lend them a hand (technical, promotional, etc.). They'll give you free music and more.