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Portable Brain Scanner to Save Premature Babies

Roland Piquepaille writes "Researchers at UCL (University College London) are developing a portable brain scanner which could help save the lives of premature and newborn babies in intensive care by avoiding to move them to conventional scanning facilities. A current prototype combines the advantages of both magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and ultrasound. It uses optical tomography to generate images showing how the brain is working and a new generation should be ready by 2008 and such scanners should be commercially available shortly after."

93 comments

  1. Not just babies by brohan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Small portable MRI's could not be used only for babies.

    I've got a problem with my knee, which was diagnosed without actually *seeing* it through an x-ray machine. With the resolution of an MRI it would likley be visible. Assuming my knee is as big as a babies head, this could be used in orthapedic applications as well.

    From the pictures in the article, I figure its big enough to fit most limbs in it.

  2. Re:According to the pro-abortion left, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It said premature and newborn babies, not unborn. I know it's too much to expect for you to actually read the article, but is just reading the summary too strenuous for your miniature intellect?

  3. Sometimes I wonder... by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being in the medical field, I can't help but wonder about the discrepancy between people wanting lower health care costs and their expectations for modern health care to perform miracles. They seem to me to be mutually exclusive. While innovative technologies such as the one described in the article are fascinating, it will surely drive up NICU costs even more if it is adopted. Of course ICUs in general are money sinks anyway.

    1. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is what I wonder too. Should we really be saving kids like this? If there is a genetic component to premature babies, and one woman has three premmies, then that's three more kids passing on the genes for premature babies.

      Soon, the premature baby genes spread throughout the population. If there is a form of dominance in the genetics for it then these kids are going to become a larger and larger component of the population.

      When do we stop and say no? when 10% of the population is giving birth to kids at 26 weeks. 20%? 40%? everybody?

      Sometimes I think it's better to let nature take it's course and stop breeding some really crap genetics INTO humankind.

    2. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 0
      This is - I think - only a problem until we discover how to do gene therapy (correct term?: a medical procedure which corrects genetic defects).
      No, not that blue eyes, blond hear, but dawn syndrom and such.
      In the mean time, we should be harsh on behalve of the gene pool.

      Also instead trying to save every life, just for the sake of it, we should concentrate on the quality of life. What good is getting barely enough food and healthcare if the only thing you can in your life is sit in some desert feeling hungry while waiting for the next round humanitarian aid to pass by.
      Instead of giving healthcare to places like africa and god knows where, we should have giving them an education system first. They would have build their own healthcare system, it would have kept the population level under control and Africa would have been in a better place.
      We had and have war for oil, but God help us all when a war over water breaks out. For we can live without oil (perhaps not at current tech and comfort levels) but without water we can not do.
      We did not gave them life, we gave misery.
      Educate the people and they will not need our help or compassion or money or food
      Life in itself is worthless. The qualities that make life worth living is important. That, we did not give.

    3. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by kbielefe · · Score: 0
      What an insensitive and ill-informed comment. While it is true that women who were premature themselves are slightly more likely to have a premature baby, this is probably due to physical problems of the mother and not due to any genetic predisposition. Wives of men who were premature babies are not any more likely to have a premature baby than anyone else.

      Go spend a day in the NICU before you decide that these babies are not worth saving. Preemies are no different than any other babies except for some health problems. You probably know more adults than you realize who were born prematurely. Or perhaps you believe that any human life with any medical condition is not worth preserving? One of my daughter's main problems resulting from her premature birth is far-sightedness. Perhaps we should keep everyone who wears glasses from "polluting" the gene pool. Despite having suffered some brain damage during birth, I suspect my baby girl has more sense than you.

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    4. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Sithech · · Score: 1
      The concern that this innovation will raise costs is important. A few things to factor in, though:

      These babies are generally very ill and are on ventilators with monitoring of heart, respirations, blood oxygen, and often blood carbon dioxide. They will have a line in the umbilical artery and/or vein used for hydration, medications, and drawing of frequent tests as well as monitoring of arterial and/or venous pressure.

      In order to take them to a scanner located on the other side of the hospital, all this needs to be put onto battery power. The baby and the intensive care bed, monitors, iv pumps all need to be rolled off with at least a nurse and (if baby is ill enough) a neonatology doc in attendance.

      Once at the scanner, now baby needs to be transferred to the machine from the intensive care bassinet. During transfer there's a significant risk if any of the tubes get dislodged, even by a few millimeters.

      Now reverse the process to get back to the nursery.

      Bottom line is that the mere process of transportation to a scanner has real risk to the baby. Since it costs an easy $10,000 US per day of neonatal intensive care, you don't have to avoid very many hospital days to pay for equipment.

      Anyway, the justification will be from avoiding damage to babies that's caused by transporting them to scanners, I would think.

    5. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Explodicle · · Score: 3, Funny
      I can't help but wonder about the discrepancy between people wanting lower health care costs and their expectations for modern health care to perform miracles.
      I know! What is WITH people always demanding lower prices AND better products/services? Pick ONE, folks!
    6. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First they came for the premmies, and you did nothing... Then they came for the ones who cost too much to care for, and you did nothing... yadda yadda yadda then they came for you because you did nothing...

    7. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that healthcare costs are sky-high because of people who sue when ANYTHING goes wrong, or could even be construed as having gone wrong, whether or not you could have done anything. This then forces everyone in the hospital to carry an unbelievable amount of insurance. Think of the cost of an NMR scanner's coolant for a year VS the operator's insurance.

      Am I wrong?

    8. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by blincoln · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that healthcare costs are sky-high because of people who sue when ANYTHING goes wrong, or could even be construed as having gone wrong, whether or not you could have done anything. This then forces everyone in the hospital to carry an unbelievable amount of insurance. Think of the cost of an NMR scanner's coolant for a year VS the operator's insurance.

      I think that the insurance issue is less important than the greed of many people in the health care industry. Health insurance companies are by far the worst. The ones here in Washington are allegedly nonprofits, but they keep increasing fees and decreasing coverage even though they have hundreds of millions in surplus profit every year. Hospitals charge outrages sums for medication (morphine costs pennies for hospitals, but I was billed something like $100 for it when I had surgery), disposable equipment, and PER MINUTE in the recovery room. One psychiatrist I went to for my ADHD medication charged $90 for a five minute visit once a month, and I've heard that's fairly common in that field.

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    9. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      We had and have war for oil, but God help us all when a war over water breaks out.

      From the statements made in your post I presume God and yourself are one and the same? Clearly you deem yourself capable of judging who is and isn't good enough to be allowed to live on.

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    10. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by QuadPro · · Score: 1

      I *have* spent several days in a NICU. The question isn't "are these babies worth saving", but the question is: "There's X money available. How can we spend this money so that we can maximize the amount of people helped?". In that context, it's a very valid question to ask whether the cost of a device is worth the (medical) gain.

    11. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Stop trolling you yankee asshole. He is making a valid point. US and other developed nations are not helping or meaning to help in any way that really matters.



      Last I checked, it was USA deciding who gets to live and who gets to die in Iraq.

    12. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      To be fair, hospitals actually get much less than they charge for due to negotiations with insurance companies and the fact that medicare pays a set amount no matter what the hospital or doctor charges.

    13. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The cost of saving babies isn't that high. There are lots of other things that are done that cost more and have much less benefit. I think you can probably easily think of some. A previous poster's reference to oil might help out.

  4. Old idea... by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it looks like a salt shaker and makes a high-pitched whistling noise when waved over the body. I saw these being used back on TV in the sixties.

  5. Scary Monstirs by packslash · · Score: 0
    "A prototype of the scanner, called MONSTIR"
    haha that's a fitting name judging by the picture on the right
  6. Damnit... by StaticFish · · Score: 0

    I thought for a minute there may be a cure for my premmature ejaculation! Oh well

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  7. Trancendence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I was like thinking...scanning the babies' minds and uploading them into new, fresh healthy babies...

  8. What a showdown... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I read "portable MRI" in the slashdot post and hoped "Cool ! Small portable device needing to generate ultra-strong several Tesla magnetic field for their function !".
    But, no, after RTFA I discovered that it's just some device using regular light to look through babies' skulls.
    Too bad. No "magnetic gun" involved. Still haven't found what to put on the heads of my Sharks.

    I, for one, do *NOT* welcome my new "magnet of doom"-equipped pediatrician colleagues overlords.

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  9. Re:According to the pro-abortion left, by Kickboy12 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Either way, they are just a clump of cells. AND SO ARE YOU

    Basic Biology. Learned that in 8th grade, dude.

  10. MRI's by TheUncleD · · Score: 2, Insightful
    For babies it would provide an excellent advantage to predicting the right treatments early on in development. It's too bad that brain damage cannot be forseen early on in pregnancy and averted through re-correction of certain DNA modifications. That's sci-fi though for you. MRIS fall under the radiology/xray world. They are actually fairly new in terms of technology and now can provide fairly accurate brain scans although a lot remains to be understood about the data they feed back. MRI's were first discovered to work in 1977 and they took about 5 hours to produce a single image. Smithsonian institute actually has the first MRI machine which looks more futuristic in its design then a lot of the new ones do.

    MRI scanners vary in size and shape, and newer models have some degree of openness around the sides, but the basic design is the same. Once the body part to be scanned is in the exact center or isocenter of the magnetic field, the scan can begin.

    As of todays technology, the MRI provides the greatest view inside the human body that technology can afford without doing actual surgery. It is largely done through discernment using that contrast injection technology, where injecting certain colored dies into the blood stream lets them see the seperation of parts. Its a very cool technology, all made possible through magnetism.

  11. Re:ROLAND IS A CUNT. CUNT! CUNT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure you don't read at -1 because you don't want your own posts to be filtered out?

  12. Early adopters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's the xmas alcohol, but I feel that premature babies are the true early adopters of existence and deserve more credit.

    1. Re:Early adopters by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Funny

      Depends... Catholics believe life begins at conception. Protestants believe life begins at birth. Jews believe life begins when the children leave home and the dog dies.

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  13. Researchers were stunned... by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 1

    When an impromptu demonstration of the device on technology reporter, CmdrTaco, from a popular website "Slashdot.org" produced this startling result.

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  14. MRI helped save my twins by core · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a dad of twin girls born very prematurely and with an extreme low weight (2 pounds each, basically). They stayed one month in ICU with dedicated monitoring 24/7. Today they're 18 months old, completely healthy with no sequels of their prematurity, partly because they had all the equipment at the ICU (MRI notably); if they moved the girls to a conventional facility they would have been in great danger. Needless to say I'm eternally grateful to medical advancements and the medical personnel that provides the care; I live in a country where we pay taxes through the nose, but I don't mind paying taxes for that purpose :)

    Best regards,
    Emmanuel

    1. Re:MRI helped save my twins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was around 2 lbs at birth as well, was in ICU for a few months after birth, and am smiling to hear your kids turned out healthy. Merry Christmas :)

    2. Re:MRI helped save my twins by MadAhab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a dad of triplet girls born at 24 weeks. All together they weighed less than 3 1/2 lbs. The smallest one did not survive, but the other two did, and they're doing great at nearly 2 years (20 mo adjusted), though they spent 4 months and 8 months in the NICU.

      More accurate scanning without having to leave the NICU means that parents can have more information about their children when making life or death decisions. Parents do need advice from doctors, and there is such a thing as care that is decidedly "futile", to use a term of art. But better information permits doctors and parents to make better decisions about whether there is a life to save (ultimately parents have to make the decision about whether a life is "worth saving", and if you aren't that parent, you simply don't know).

      Better information means untold dollars saved, untold anguish to the parents spared, and precious lives saved that might otherwise be seen as hopeless cases. When it comes to the ethics and morality of end-of-life decisions, it's clear that only the uninvolved and the completely insane can hold absolutist positions (witness Terry Schiavo); the rest of us realize that some relative certainty, clouded by difficult decisions and incomplete knowledge, with lots of forgiveness and sympathy, is often the best that we can achieve. Only the radically evil can insist that more information is anything but an outright blessing.

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  15. Sorry it's no real MRI by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Problem is : it's not a real MRI. A portative MRI would be a REAL public danger because it has to generate ultra-strong magnetic fields to function properly.

    This is just a bunch of lasers shining light through their target.
    It only works on newborns' head because :
    - Their skull is thin on most places and even un-fused in some places : light can easily go in.
    - Their head is small so that the laser travels a short path and isn't absorbed that much and therefor still caries useful information when going out.

    It's unusable for knees because they're to big and the bone is WAY to thick (one of the thickest. Remember : it has to support your body's weight).

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    1. Re:Sorry it's no real MRI by dinsdale3 · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are portable MRI systems http://www.mri4ra.com/ and they are not a safety hazard because a) their magnetic fields are 7x smaller than standard clinical MRIs and b) the field doesn't extend very far beyond the actual equipment.

      These systems are typically designed for use on extremities and so would meet the request of the grandparent poster. However, the images are not nearly as good as a standard MRI for a few reasons:

      1) To a first approximation, 7x smaller magnetic field means 49x lower S/N for the same imaging protocol and time. Now, you can get some of this back (~2-4x) by altering the protocol to take advantage of some differences caused by the smaller field. But typically, you acquire lower resolution images on these systems to compensate.

      2) The magnetic field is less homogenious, so there are more distortions/artifacts in the images.

      3) Because of some hardware compromises (and item 2 above), some MRI protocols are not possible on the portable systems.

      So, for some highly specialized practices or isolated areas it might be a reasonable alternative, but for the majority of people it is not that useful.

  16. Re:I enjoy when people can write by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    avoiding to move them = premature babies generally have underdeveloped organs (e.g. lungs) and are rather sensitive to environmental factors. they are generally in incubators (uhh protective boxes / imitation womb) for a period of months until their bodies are strong enough to cope.

  17. I save premature babies and you should too... by Fjornir · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...if you collect six of them you can turn them in for a free taco!

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    1. Re:I save premature babies and you should too... by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Uhmm... The diff between marbles and babies? You can't load marbles onto a truck with a pitch fork...

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  18. Re:According to the pro-abortion left, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still trying to promote your lame website, arent you?

  19. How about this... by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We're all talking about NATURAL selection these days, (vs ID). Well guess what we're doing with the miracles of modern medicine?

    Breaking the natural selection. All kinds of diseases have gone up and we all attribute this to the worse conditions we live in. Noone seems to notice that due to modern medicine, more sick people survive, have children and contribute to the problem.

    Now of course it's a huge moral dilemma. If something happens with a human I care about, would I let him/her go if it helps some abstract concept of natural selection? Nope.

    But the mass effect anyway, is that it's a vicious cycle: the more the medicine gets better, the more we'll need it to survive.

    Either this, or expect some GATAKA-like distopia in the short to medium term future :)

    1. Re:How about this... by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      I've thought about this too. I think that the irony here is that by letting more people survive, humans are more likely to be wiped out by a new disease appearing that we can't treat. That being said, many geniuses and people who have contributed greatly to different things have been afflicted by problems solved or lessened by modern medicine/psychology/etc. If they had lived a few hundred years ago, they probably wouldn't have lived long enough to contribute anything, or they would've been labeled "retarded" and never given a chance.

    2. Re:How about this... by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 1

      Actually, we are not breaking natural selection (or otherwise acting in opposition to the laws of nature) simply because there's nothing in the theory that categorically states "it's only natural if humans don't do it." Helping the weak is not a purely human characteristic in any case -- it's a known survival technique practiced by many K-strategist species.

      I'm not going to claim that there aren't disadvantages to "artificially" prolonging the lives of the weak and sickly, nor will I suggest that we shouldn't keep those issues in mind, but I would like to point out that our actions are just as natural as a mother cat continuing to protect and feed sickly kittens in order to increase their chance of survival.

      Nature, if I can personify it here for a second, doesn't care if we're wracked with diseases or living in squalor. As long as we keep having the requisite 2 or more children before biting the dust, we're doing exactly what we're supposed to, just like every other species on the planet.

    3. Re:How about this... by Decaff · · Score: 1

      Breaking the natural selection.

      Which is a very arrogant thing to say. It assumes we are somehow 'not natural'. We are not the only animals to use medication - many others know which plants to eat or what to do to help cure illnesses.

      Humans using their natural brains to help ill people is entirely natural.

    4. Re:How about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah but this is just the early stage of another clever trick:

      Humans spread like a plague. Humans become dependent on technology. Humans lose technology. Humans die. Ecological balance is restored.

    5. Re:How about this... by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

      "Nature, if I can personify it here for a second, doesn't care if we're wracked with diseases or living in squalor. As long as we keep having the requisite 2 or more children before biting the dust, we're doing exactly what we're supposed to, just like every other species on the planet."

      Correct, nature doesn't care, but you do, because it's pretty different being busy all day making enough money so you can buy yourself medicines and medical procedures to survive, versus just being healthy.

    6. Re:How about this... by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

      "We are not the only animals to use medication - many others know which plants to eat or what to do to help cure illnesses."

      Do you actually know what plants to eat, or instead rely on extremely complex and fragile infrastructure or medical help and drug production.

      Thing is, all those advancements are easy to break, fine natural or not, but if it keeps going like this it'll be the equivalent of not being able to breath unless you're hooked to the Internet... You wouldn't want the router to go down, would you.

    7. Re:How about this... by Decaff · · Score: 1

      Thing is, all those advancements are easy to break, fine natural or not, but if it keeps going like this it'll be the equivalent of not being able to breath unless you're hooked to the Internet... You wouldn't want the router to go down, would you.

      It is hardly like that for most people most of the time. But so what if it is, as long as we have backup systems? After all, look at the number of people who fly - and that is certainly a fragile situation (it certainly scares me).

    8. Re:How about this... by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      I doh know, that seems to be the generally accepted meaning of natural: not manmade or man's doing.

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    9. Re:How about this... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Um, we haven't had the ability to save the lives of those suffering from lethal genetic diseases that manifest before reproductive age for long enough to have any noticeable effect on the gene pool. Evolution takes thousands of generations. We've had less than ten since they gave up on bleeding people.

      Before your scenario becomes a problem we'll have the ability to patch our genes and avoid it entirely.

    10. Re:How about this... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Not true. By supporting people with genetic differerences that would not otherwise be likely to survive we are increasing the diversity in the gene pool and so are decreasing the chance that a disease could wipe us all out. For example, sickle cell anemia is most undesireable to have in a western city. However, if there's a malaria outbreak, it's a GREAT trait to have.

      Not that a disease ever could wipe us all out -- by the time you kill a decent fraction of the people you'll have thinned them out enough that the disease will die out for lack of new hosts.

    11. Re:How about this... by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      You mean GATTACA. Come on man.. the whole point of the title is that it relates to DNA sequencing...

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  20. the interesting bit by DullBoy · · Score: 1

    I don't see many comments on the really interesting point of this story, a fourth non-invasive technology to view the insides of the human body. X-ray, ultrasound and MRI are commonly used for this purpose. It's exciting to speculate on other clinical applications for this new tech.

  21. So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whish slashdot had a "-5, Eugenics flamebait troll" mod.
    So what's your big plan, dude ? Killing every one who has a disease ? And what's your definition of disease ?
    Let's kill all premmies ! And then proceede to retards, overweighted, short sighted, non-sportive, ugly, ...
    In the end maybe you'll be killing everyone who isn't tall, strong, blond and blue-eyed ?
    Trying to impersonate evolution and play Mother Nature ? Other people have tried that before too. Didn't work as they wished.

    And how do you know that you aren't killing something useful ?
    You may see sickle cells anemia disease, but maybe evolution saw it as a way to poison malaria ?
    You may see more premmies, but maybe evolution will end up with a way to avoid pregnancy complications (hypertension, diabetes, ...) ?

    Technology to help diseased survive may be costly, but by letting the scientific do reasearch and developpement on them, science will come with even cheaper and cheaper solutions.
    Maybe some people though the same things, years ago, when penicillin was discovered : "Should we really be saving sick children and elderly who catch infections that easily ? Should we stop before 90% percent of the population has recieved such a 'easy-infection' gene ?"
    But look today : anti-bacterial treatment are so cheap and easy to buy that we start to have problems with people USING it too much.
    Same goes for vaccination : Once was something new, now is cheap and available very widely and has already managed to completly extinguish a few infectious diseases (and a few more other could be with enough efforts. And the rest could be better controlled).

    To make an exageration, your question sound a little bit like : "Why do have a society ? economics ? Everyone on it's own. Survival of the fitest and strongest, otherway we handsome and strong barbarians will be invaded tomorrow by a huge amount of clumsy, glass-wearing, un-athletic, intellectual nerds that could otherwise be able to hit a mamoth point-blank and couldn't eat if we weren't around to feed them."
    Now look what the nerds have developped today : Computers. The Internet. The exact things you're using right now to write about your eugenic garbage.

    If you consider only genes maybe this can seem weird : we may look counter-productive in terms of evolution. But don't forget we evolve as a whole. As a civilisation, what we may apparently loose in terms of genes, we may compensate by developping more advanced technology that is ALSO passed along to futur generations. (Dawkin's memes)

    And about a "premmies"-gene dominating the population : very unlikely. A new caracteristic will spread that fast, in competition with the general population, only if it has a lot of beneficial advantages, and the only small disadvantage was very easily removed by a new easy and cheap treatment. Which isn't the case yet : It is only a small step toward better help for babies. It's not likely to make a fast boom and propagate through general population at mad speeds, it needs positive selection (being a good advantage) for that to happen. Otherwise it'll take thousands of years to spread and by them, humanity will either have disapeared. Or will have discovered much more advanced forms of technology.

    And for the last time : Please stop talking about killing what you consider inferior. Let evolution sort it in the long term.

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    1. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Killing every one who has a disease ? And what's your definition of disease ?

      No, just don't fund things that try to save babies who wouldn't normally have survived. It's not like they're going to complain. Their parents might but not if you never create the baby-saving drugs/equipment in the first place.

      It does astonish me how many people think that the population can keep growing, and we can keep relying on ever more powerful/expensive drugs and treatments indefinitely. Sooner or later people's lives do have a monetary value. Anyway, I'm straying from the point a bit.

    2. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by DrYak · · Score: 1
      No, just don't fund things that try to save babies


      Before penicillin was developped, a lot of babies/eldery/young/adults didn't survive.
      Before vaccine was developped, a lot of them didn't survive either.
      Same for a lot of other drugs that you may consider "trivial" today.

      It does astonish me how many people think that the population can keep growing


      So which way you prefer :
      - regulating population by letting everyone die of disease for which there's no cure yet ?
      - or regulating population by teaching people how to use a condom (specially that now they don't need to make 7 children to see 1 or 2 survive)

      Sooner or later people's lives do have a monetary value.


      The sad truth is usually the other way round : people die because we lack money and can't afford helping everyone. yet.
      that's why this kind of research must be performed.
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    3. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by nido · · Score: 1
      Sooner or later people's lives do have a monetary value.
      The sad truth is usually the other way round : people die because we lack money and can't afford helping everyone.


      Sad truth? People die because dying is a part of living. Less primitive cultures accept this as a fact, and deal with it appropriately. Australian aboriginals are said to throw a party when a member of the tribe passes on. Old-time Native Americans (pre-European Invasion, mostly) are said to have left the tribe for the wilderness when they reached the point where they couldn't pull their own weight. I forget what it's called - some kind of walk? - but they leave the tribe and enter the spirit world directly.

      But mainstream Christianity, Judaism and Islam were stripped of the doctrine of reincarnation, and today western countries' populations are conditioned to be fearful of death. People who believe they only live once are easy to control - "terrorist might KILL YOU, so we need your rights to protect your security." If a majority of the population knew that death of the physical body is not the end (just as we exist prior to birth in our present physical bodies), they wouldn't be so easy to manipulate.

      But hey, this is slashdot, and we (er, most of us) believe that "matter is the most fundamental unit of existence". Nevermind that every particle is composed of smaller particles, particles all the way down. Scientists just haven't found the smallest one yet.

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    4. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by yndrd1984 · · Score: 1
      People die because dying is a part of living. Less primitive cultures accept this as a fact, and deal with it appropriately.

      Even people that accept that fact that they are going to die eventually usually try to keep going a little longer. Accepting that something is a fact is quite different than being nutral towards it.

      If a majority of the population knew that death of the physical body is not the end (just as we exist prior to birth in our present physical bodies), they wouldn't be so easy to manipulate.

      If we knew that, you might be right, but we don't really know that. Some might believe that, others don't, but there's no proof of a soul (and no real evidence, for that matter).

      But hey, this is slashdot, and we (er, most of us) believe that "matter is the most fundamental unit of existence".

      If you're refering to materialism or naturalism, you're probably right.

    5. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      This technology is designed to look primarily for ischemia in the brain, which can then be treated. The choice most of the time is not going to be between without and alive with. It's going to be permanently disabled without, potentially perfectly normal with. SO... which is cheaper? Ten minutes on a $50k - $100k scanner (optical scanning isn't all that expensive), or supporting someone who had a debilitating stroke when they were two days old for the next half dozen decades?

    6. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by nido · · Score: 1
      If a majority of the population knew that death of the physical body is not the end (just as we exist prior to birth in our present physical bodies), they wouldn't be so easy to manipulate.
      If we knew that, you might be right, but we don't really know that. Some might believe that, others don't, but there's no proof of a soul (and no real evidence, for that matter).


      If you believe that this "soul" business is a bunch of crap, and the world is fundamentally mechanical in nature, it takes extraordinary evidence to convince you. If, on the other hand, you're open to the possibility of higher planes of existence, the evidence is sufficient.

      I'm not inclined to get into it right now, but off the top of my head - child proteges (12 year old mozarts), children who remember past lives (fairly common), the ubiquity of Near Death experiences (even among non-believers), etc...

      Robert Monroe said that everyone who goes through his gateway program comes to know (beyond a simple belief) that they've lived before, and will continue to exist after they finish their present lifetime. They know because the experience is undeniable. (I haven't had such a confirmatory experience yet, so what I've expressed here is just a belief, though I have had other experiences which are hard to explain any other way).
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    7. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by yndrd1984 · · Score: 1
      If you believe that this "soul" business is a bunch of crap, and the world is fundamentally mechanical in nature, it takes extraordinary evidence to convince you. If, on the other hand, you're open to the possibility of higher planes of existence, the evidence is sufficient.

      Of course, you could put the opposite spin on it and say that people who want magic in their world will find it, even if they have to fudge the evidence, while others are willing to take things as they are.

      child proteges - You seem to be suggesting that prodigies are born with memories/experiences of a past life, but that leaves a lot of questions. Why so few, why aren't we all like this? Why do almost all of them focus on math or music? And most importantly, there are perfectly natural explanations for prodigies, so why go with "past lives" when you can go with "learns numbers fast"?

      ubiquity of NDEs - The "light at the end of the tunnel" part can be produced at will by depriving the brain of oxygen, and the "out of body" part can be produced when a certain part of the brain can't keep track of the body's position (though this is tougher to do on purpose). And on top of that, shouldn't we expect a few weird, but fully natural, things to happen near death?

      children who remember past lives - Sorry, but I don't think that they are that common. Plus, interviewing children without influencing the result is tricky, so a little skepticism is in order (see the "Questioning Children" part).

      They know because the experience is undeniable.

      I won't deny that their experiences had profound effects, but I will question whether they are real experiences. Keep in mind that dreams and even works of fiction can change people's lives, but that doesn't make them real. And not being real doesn't make them become unimportant or make them disappear.

      hard to explain any other way

      True, but sometimes the hard-to-find, complicated, disappointing explanation is the correct one. It's a bit depressing, but that's the way the world works sometimes.

    8. Re:So what to you want, kill all diseased people ? by nido · · Score: 1
      It's not my job to convince you that there's something here worth looking into, so I'm not inclined to do a point-by-point response. But there are a couple of things I'd like to say.

      child proteges - You seem to be suggesting that prodigies are born with memories/experiences of a past life, but that leaves a lot of questions. Why so few, why aren't we all like this?

      Most of us are still learning the ropes. If I've only spent a couple of lifetimes focused on Music, I'm probably not going to be as good as someone who's spent dozens on the same persuit.

      Why do almost all of them focus on math or music? And most importantly, there are perfectly natural explanations for prodigies, so why go with "past lives" when you can go with "learns numbers fast"?

      Talent in a particular area builds over lifetimes. Some people are really good at sports, some at math, some at music, some at a given science, etc. I had a roommate in college who was a natural with anything chemistry-related. I propose that the reason he's so good is because he's done it before. :) Gina Cerminara's Many Mansions is a good book convering reincarnation.

      They know because the experience is undeniable
      I won't deny that their experiences had profound effects, but I will question whether they are real experiences.
      The neat thing is that it's easy to have the experience for yourself, and make your own determination.

      So - if you're interested, you can get the Monroe Institute's Gateway Experience home study program ("Wave I" would suffice. Any of the other OBE-training procedures would probably be good too, Monroe's just happens to be one of the best.), put your predjudice on a shelf behind you, have the experience, then decide for yourself if it's worth continuing.

      (In the interest of continuing my full disclosure: The experience is easy to have for 95+% of the population. The other <5% are capable of having the experience too, they just have some extra homework to find out what exactly's standing in their way. I'm one of the <5%. When I was first getting started, all I wanted to do was be able to remember my dreams when I woke in the morning, and to see pictures when I closed my eyes. Over the years, I found that I couldn't dream because I couldn't relax. Being able to relax the physical body is important for any type of "meta"-physical work. I couldn't do it, and it took me a long time to figure out why. During that period of searching, I became convinced that there's something worth investigating in this general classification of experience. I've almost finished fixing my relaxation-blockage [see my posts in this thread for more on my personal experience, from a different lauch point], and will be personally evaluating the field soon.)
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  22. Paging Doctor Mengele to Delivery by Explodicle · · Score: 1

    When you put it that way, eugenics sounds just peachy. I suppose all these people bred "crap" genes into humankind?

  23. Ooh! by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

    Maybe Tom Cruise can buy one so he and Katie can see what the hell's wrong with him in the comfort of their own home.

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    1. Re:Ooh! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      The optical tomography box might only show activity when Tom jumps up and down on the couch. The rest of the time, it would be robotic programed responses. ("Tom, act anger." "Tom, act happy." "Tom, act hatred towards the Enemies of Scientology.")

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  24. Biomedical optics by DrMindWarp · · Score: 1

    This is NOT new technology. This is a new appliance. Google for "biomedical optics".

  25. Usability Issue by wmajik · · Score: 1

    From the article: "A prototype of the scanner, called MONSTIR..."

    Ok, even though I have somewhat of a background in usability and marketing, I don't think I need to point out what may be a funny point in selling this technology...

    Doc: Ok ma'am, things might look GRIM, but don't worry, we're going to attach our newest, greatest technology to your baby's head and blast the little meatbag with rays to get a good look at what is going on!

    Mother: Um.. this sounds a little unsafe..

    Doc: Don't worry, with a name like "MONSTER", what could go wrong?!

    1. Re:Usability Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could have been worse. They could have called it DINGO.

  26. Portable Brain Scanner to Save Premature Babies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that like when I use a portable scanner to save my old photos? Somehow, I think not.

    "Here you go Mrs. Smith. Little Tyler is right here on this 1GB CF card. If you get bad sectors just bring him back for a refresh. Have a Merry Christmas!"

  27. Got one in my Christmas stocking by fastgood · · Score: 1
    Researchers at UCL are developing a portable brain scanner

    I was going to report back on the one I got today, but Santa forgot to leave the right size lithium thionyl chloride batteries.

  28. Eh, big deal.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    Spock was doing better stuff than this in the 60's...

  29. Unfortunately, too late! by dorkygeek · · Score: 1
    Unfortunately, this should have been invented ways earlier, so the world could have been saved from Roland Piquepaille.

    Have a look at the website he links from his name: he simply reposts his own blog entries verbatim here on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately, too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what?

  30. I, For one, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome our new brain scanning overlords.

  31. Functional imaging is different by macduck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting article. What's special about this is that it represents functional, not anatomic, imaging of the brain. Bedside neonatal head imaging is currently dominated by ultrasound, useful in identifying areas of hemorrhage most common in preemies. MRI is also useful in neonates, but again usually looking for hemorrhage or abnormalities of brain morphology.

    This technique uses light attenuation to measure oxygen consumption in the brain. Hemoglobin (Hb) is the oxygen-carrying molecule in blood. It can bind up to 4 oxygen molecules, and in this configuration is called oxyhemoglobin. When unbound, it's called deoxyhemoglobin. The technique they've developed can measure relative concentrations of the two forms of Hb allowing the computation of areas of increased metabolic activity or brain activity. The article boils down to being able to show increased activity in the upper extremity motor cortex when the researchers moved the kids' arms.

    In this sense, the technique is more like PET or functional MRI (fMRI) imaging, and appears to be a visual analog to EEG, or electroencephalography, commonly used by neurologists to identify seizure foci. Instead of a series of squiggly lines (think polygraph test), this actually gives you a series of slices of the brain with color demonstrating the area of activity.

    Clinically, this won't replace ultrasound or MRI, but it will provide more information about brain function. This may help determine an infant's prognosis after the ultrasound has already demonstrated a hemorrhage, or assist a neurosurgeon trying to eliminate a seizure focus.

  32. I'm sick of the eugenics trolls too, thank you by MoggyMania · · Score: 1

    Yes... I'm sick of reading posts by people that classify the disabled/sick (like myself) as inhuman enough to just "let die" as if we are just mindless objects that lack any value or will to live. (Newsflash, trolls: we are people too!) Especially since those same people seek medical help quite readily when *they* need it.

    While the trolls don't acknowledge it, people like me also do in fact contribute to society -- as much or more than they do. Sometimes we are a source of joy or companionship for others, sometimes we are professors, writers, surgeons, physicists, babysitters... That we have different needs, and that our rarity makes handling those needs more expensive, should not determine whether we "deserve" to live. Especially since the majority of non-disabled people contribute absolutely nothing: they are born, they eat, they breed a couple more humans, and then they die without having made any mark. How is that more worthy of survival than Einstein (autistic), Hawking (ALS), Roosevelt (polio), or any of the other disabled people that *have* made a big difference?

  33. Re:Portable Brain Scanner to Save Premature Babies by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Keeping the kid in a Pod for the first few years might be a plan. (Get at least a 30 GB drive if you plan on having a large family.)

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  34. Effects of medical technology by zopf · · Score: 1

    The grandfather of this post did have some valid points. It boils down to this:

    From the individual's perspective, the remedies we have today are a godsend - they stave off death, save our loved ones, and the virtue of their effects is strongly biologically reinforced: one of our strongest instincts is for survival.

    Others see things from a more abstract perspective. Because of medical technology, those susceptible or predisposed to diseases that might prevent them from reproducing are now able to reproduce. We therefore assume the responsibility of maintaining a healthy population, taking said responsibility from evolution. "Negative traits", defined as those that decrease the fitness (survival likelihood) of an individual, are no longer eliminated from the population. If we can continue to maintain and increase our medical prowess, then we are right in what we do - we can overcome the diseases that ail us, and we can provide good quality of life for all those who live. But if our technology cannot eliminate and cure the diseases, we fight for nought - all of our efforts simply increase the incidence of the diseases in the population.

    Certainly these words are not meants to make value judgements about people. They simply explain the overall effects of our medical advances. We can keep more people alive, but the more we do this, the larger proportion of the population would perish if our medical technology was somehow removed - think Katrina, terrorism, fall of the government, etc.

    I agree with the use of medical technology - in fact, I am studying now to become a biomedical engineer and develop devices like the ones mentioned in this article, or even prosthetics to help the injured or disabled. These technologies will increase quality of life for a large number of people. Their utter absence might result in the death of the many who depend on them, but that would result in a healthier population, who would then have a better average quality of life.

    Because I am a compassionate person, I cannot support the removal of the medical technology that helps many. But the conclusion I reach after considering the future health of the population worries me. What will lead to the best eventual health and quality of life for the population? It is a difficult question, and most assuredly one that neither I, nor you, nor the writer of the grandparent can answer. Hopefully our medical technology will sufficiently advance to enable us to remove diseases from the population forever, but until then, the current therapies are both a blessing and a curse.

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  35. Ultrasoun business idea by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

    Here is an idea: someone develop a cheap (price in the hundreds of ) ultrasound device that can be hooked up to a regular pc USB port.

    Write up some open source software to go with it (so anyone can improve upon it).

    Save the world and make lots of money.

    Though it might cause men to become an overwhelming majority in some poor countries, the benefits would be enourmous.

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    1. Re:Ultrasoun business idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't remember his name - but a doctor is doing something along those lines and employing it, even think the project was featured here on slashdot... not 100% sure though.

    2. Re:Ultrasoun business idea by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I suspect that do it yourself plans for ultrasound devices probably exist on the web somewhere. EEG plans certainly do. You can build an EEG for about $20 worth of parts if you have a bit of basic soldering or wire wrap ability. Why do hospitals pay $50,000 for their EEG units? Because they're certified for use on patients. If you really want to save the world then fight the lawyers, courts and greedy people who make it necessary for medical devices to cost so much.

      An ultrasound scanner is a power supply, a shaped wafer of piezoelectric crystal and a microprocessor.

  36. Subtleties of evolution by DrYak · · Score: 1

    First, let me just say that I like your post much more than the other because you take time to make reflexions, to ponder different sides of the question, and I *do* agree that your way to see things is valid is should be considered (unlike some other posts in this thread that sounded too much like "JUST KEEL THE RETARDS AND DISABLED").

    Some additionnal thing I would like to add :
    There's a little funny thing about the pelvis in humans and specially with women.
    To be able to run walk and run in straight up bipedal position, the pevlis need to be narrow with a more closed angle : so both legs are optimally articulated at the hip level.
    But to be able to give birth to children, the exit-path through which the baby comes out has to be wide enough (the wider it is, the bigger the baby can be and the more developped and "ready to meet the real world" he can be).
    Until the mid of the last century, the evolution had to come up with a compromise : the pelvis angle is hormone controlled and sex dependant. Men usually have a narrower one making them more able to run, Women have, most of the time, a more wide one, making it easier to give birth to babies.
    But with industrialisation, medical supervision becoming cheaper and more widespread, caesarean sections are becoming more available to the general population and with lower risk than before.
    Some studies show tend to show that, maybe narrower pelvis are becoming a little bit more widespeard in occidental women. And in an evolutionnary point of view, it kinds of make sense : modern occidental world has achieved a better gender parity than before, women spend most of their life running around (between job and home) and only give birth once or twice in their lifetime (other medical advances making this number far enough to perpetuate the specie), therefor it make more sense to drop a trait that may have been beneficial in the past (when women gave birth to 7+ children and had to stay home to raise them, while the man ran after the mamoth) but has nothing to do with today's life. In the rare case of babies "too big for the pelvis", ceasarian cut can be performed. And in the end maybe this will reduce part of the hip problems that are more prevalent in women.

    Similar case : the blood coagulation. It is increased when female hormones are raised. In the past, this made sense because women could die during childbirth because of excessive bleeding. Nowadays, if something such goes wrong, the mother can be sent in a hospital (if she isn't there already), the faulty blood vessels can be sutured (and serum infusion and/or blood transfusion given if needed). Today, this increased coagulation is more a problem than a help, as it causes a lot deaths (deep veins thrombosis and pulmonary embolia kill much more women than men because of this).
    And maybe, over the course of generations, this increased coagulation will disapear, because medicine provide much more safer ways with less complication to prevent bleeding. Thus *lowering* the overall cost in both terms of human lives AND monetary costs.

    The whole idea of "negative traits" and "positive traits" is a good model to teach evolution. But the reality is infinitely more complex. When speaking of "survival of the fittest", "fittest" represent a very complex equilibrium between a lot of trait each having some good effects and bad effects. The whole idea of evolution is delicately pondering the cost/gain ratio of whole complex systems, and finding an optimal balance for a given environment.

    But you're also right :
    we are slowly becoming more dependant on modern technology. Questions like :
    - How much can we rely on it before it gets too much dangerous in case of technology missing/failing ? (the Katrina scenario you mentionned)
    - How can we make the technology simple and reliable to be able to quickly re-deploy it ? (See commu

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  37. You have that wrong by Engineer-Poet · · Score: 1
    I think that the insurance issue is less important than the greed of many people in the health care industry.
    Most of this care is paid for by Medicaid. Medicaid is run by cheapskates, and IIUC hospitals tend to run a loss on Medicaid patients.

    I'll bet that the real problem is more that these babies are just very, very expensive to treat. Given that their treatment causes them pain and they are still likely to wind up with serious disabilities or brain damage due to their condition, we should ask ourselves if we should just allow them to pass peacefully. That's what they all did at one time, and civilization didn't collapse.

    1. Re:You have that wrong by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Hm. Troll?

      There are lots of things that are bad, like slavery and infanticide, which does not collapse civilsations. You don't have to look at blacks/neonates/whatever as fellow humans to be successful.

      Anyway, even very early prematures can avoid brain damage. I personally know one who was born before 28 weeks, the legal abortion limit in the UK. She's entirely normal, higher education and all.

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  38. bug in slashcode? bug in IE? by nido · · Score: 1

    When I click on the parent's comment number, it says "I propose that the reason he's so good is because he's done it [colon close-parenthesis]". When I look at the page source, it has the word 'before' before the happy face. When I hit 'reply' to that comment 'before' shows up like it should. Hmm... Wonder how it shows up in Firefox (my usual browser; I'm visiting family and they have IE 6.0.2900 w/ XP SP2, and the last time I installed Firefox on this particular computer I got blamed for Windows ME subsequently crapping out).

    Just in case anyone doesn't look at /.'s source pages, that line's supposed to read:

    "I propose that the reason he's so good is because he's done it before."

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  39. Sometimes the right thing to do is nothing by Engineer-Poet · · Score: 1
    There are lots of things that are bad, like slavery and infanticide, which does not collapse civilsations.
    Massive wastage of resources does. Remember, this is not an issue of what to do, this is an issue of when not to do anything.
    Anyway, even very early prematures can avoid brain damage. I personally know one who was born before 28 weeks...
    That's not "very early" as things go today; try 22-24 weeks. Lung maturity is the major issue and the lungs develop relatively late (it's thought to be one of the triggers for labor).

    It appears likely that your premature acquaintance did not suffer many complications of prematurity or any severe ones such as blindness, deafness, or brain damage from hemmorhages. Most of the ones who do will never go on to higher education, and may never hold a paying job in their lives. They may never be able to take care of themselves, or even speak about how they feel. That last condition is the saddest, because they can't communicate their pain and get the underlying condition treated properly. They live their abbreviated lives in silent suffering.

    Also remember that these premies are natural events and not anyone's fault; we don't have a moral responsibility to "do something!" regardless of the likely outcome. Rather than go to extraordinary lengths just for mere survival, it's probably best to withdraw care in such cases and let nature take its course. It doesn't give anyone a chance to be a medical hero, but it can be the most humane and merciful thing to do.