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Japanese Chip Makers to Unite

Doctor Memory writes "The Register reports that several Japanese semiconductor manufacturers (Toshiba, Hitachi and Renesas, and possibly NEC and Matsushita) are in talks to create a "semiconductor superpower" to counter rivals in Taiwan, the US and China. The firms are in talks to create a shared foundry, which might set the stage for the creation of a 45-nanometer process well in advance of the competition."

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  1. The summary neglects to mention the fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That the chip makers will also physically unit to form the mighty robot Chiptron.

  2. Unite? by Pentultimate+Aeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I'll form the head!" -Sorry, couldn't resist.

    1. Re:Unite? by CZA2006 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damnit! They've already got a NEC!

  3. Concerning chip makers by fionbio · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just got this from my /usr/bin/fortune: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR (The Times of London) Dear Sir, I am firmly opposed to the spread of microchips either to the home or to the office. We have more than enough of them foisted upon us in public places. They are a disgusting Americanism, and can only result in the farmers being forced to grow smaller potatoes, which in turn will cause massive unemployment in the already severely depressed agricultural industry. Yours faithfully, Capt. Quinton D'Arcy, J. P. Sevenoaks

  4. Price Fixing by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So much the eaiser to fix prices if you 'collaborate' your R&D and production.

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    1. Re:Price Fixing by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well there is still companies US, Taiwan, and the EU competing with these manufactures. If they "fix" the price too high then companies in these other countries can undercut them.

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    2. Re:Price Fixing by twiddlingbits · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Japan is a signee to GATT. If the other nations see Japan price fixing and/or dumping (they can do both at the same time) the GATT says they can sue them in The World Court for damages and to abolish the anti-competitive action. Of course that takes years, in the meantime the other nations will erect tariffs/subsidies to protect thier own makers of such chips. This is NOT a smart move by the Japanese, sure it's radical but radical the wrong way.

  5. Ship Has Already Sailed to China by mpapet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of this stuff is moving to China as fast as humanly possible.

    R&D and (b)leading-edge manufacturing is still in Taiwan, but moving at lightning speed to China ASAP.

    As I recall:
    Employees cost roughly 1/3 the price of an American worker. Employees in China cost roughly 1/4 the price of a Taiwanese worker.

    Is my recollection still true?

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  6. Nothing New Here by FSM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not exactly unusual. Japanese have long been doing this. It is called Keiretsu.

  7. American chip manufacturers aren't worried . .. by mmell · · Score: 4, Funny
    What, with all the atomic weapons testing happening off the shore of Okinawa every year, Godzilla, Gamora or Mothra will certaily level the Japanese chip makers, leaving Intel and AMD, er, Pinky and the Brain to take over the world!

    What? There's no such thing as Godzilla? Has anybody told Johnny Socko about this?

  8. Re:Lets go Voltron Force! by tktk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad Sony's not involved...it could be the ass.

  9. Re:Do Over by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Believe me, I do a lot of R&D Testing of products whose manufacture recently was 'shifted' from the US to China. The Chinese who I have encountered (Shenzen region) have zero concept of proactive quality engineering. They will do exactly what they think you told them to do without thinking. Any time there is a problem, they become defensive and opaque, and it becomes very difficult to do anything about the issue.

    My feeling is that this comes from years of socalism and group-think within a very regimented culture.

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  10. Violates Principles of Free Market by jgardn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the reasons Japan isn't doing so hot is that they can't compete as well as they used to now that their labor wages are so high. I find it amazing that any business leader would think by eliminating all competition in their own country they are going to be more competitive on the world market. Since when has IBM or Sun decided that buying out Intel, AMD, and all the other chip makers is going to make them sell more chips in Asia? No, we in America do precisely the opposite. We stab our own domestic companies in the back unless they can do it for cheaper and better. We would happily see IBM, Sun, Intel, and AMD bite the dust if they bit the dust due to a leaner, more aggressive, and better producer.

    What Japan should look at instead of conglomeration is lowering the cost of entrepeneuring, and encouraging young people to start companies. Rather than forcing on the youth the ideal of getting into a good college so you can get hired by a good company, they should push on the youth the concept of rebelling against conventional wisdom and inventing new businesses and technology to slay the dragons. This would keep the existing companies competetive because they would have to compete just to keep their domestic revenue. Instead, they are forming a cartel of sorts that will discourage innovation and competition, and the Japanese people are looking the other way. They don't have a culture of entrepeneurship, and they haven't worked to create one. Now they will get screwed by higher prices and crappier products thanks to an unrestricted monopoly. (Phase 2 of the plan, if it isn't obvious, is tariffs or restrictions on imported electronics.)

    Maybe the US system of education is doing well for our country precisely because it is so incredibly broken compared to Japan's. People have a much better chance of succeeding economically by entrepeneurship than education and employment in our country. That's why your local independent plumber and painter are making more money than you are and they haven't even seen the inside of a college campus. And the net result is that people in our country know that the only way to be truly fabulously wealthy is to quit your job and go form your own company.

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  11. Hardly by jgardn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is hardly a nail in our coffin. The US knows that monopolies are bad because they become lazy and charge high prices for crap. If anything, this will ruin the semiconducter economy in Japan as they become equated with bloated prices and shoddy work.

    How would you feel if you heard that all the top semiconductor companies in the US were going to merge? Wouldn't your next reaction be something about monopolies and anti-trust? Wouldn't you expect to see higher prices for shoddier work? That's exactly what's going to happen in Japan. I assume the next step is to start using the Japanese government to enforce favorable trade controls to keep the conglomerate alive.

    It's competition that keeps U.S. companies honest. If they can't compete, they go out of business, to be replaced by companies that can compete. In Japan (and to a large extend, Korea) mama government will start passing out welfare checks when national corporation X stops being profitable. (We'll see if China is going to behave the same. All predictions say "yes".)

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