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UK Cold War Era Nuclear War Plans Revealed

NicerGuy writes "The BBC reports that documents from 1975, recently released by the National Archives, detail in part the UK's plan in the event of nuclear strikes during the Cold War. An audio download of the prepared radio broadcast is available. Several other topics are covered." From the article: "Further documents released this week reveal that two pandas in London Zoo sparked fears a diplomatic rift could flare up between Britain and China in the 1970s."

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  1. For Another Take, Check Out The Movie "Threads"... by ferrellcat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Probably a more accurate version of how the British government's "plans" would be followed after a nuclear exchange.

    It's an awesome move, too!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/

  2. Re:Linux users need not apply by taskforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry; forgot to mention in previous post that there is a version of Realplayer for Linux, so Linux users http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_ partner&opage=freeplayer_partner can apply.

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  3. Re:Linux users need not apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In fact Linux users can use Vsound http://www.zorg.org/vsound/index.shtml to save real player stream as a wav file, which I don't think Windows users can.

  4. Seattle Cold War Civil Defense Manual by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a little self-plug for something somewhat related that I scanned. A "Civil Defense Manual" for Seattle from 1951. Check it out, there's some unintentionally amusing stuff in there.

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    1. Re:Seattle Cold War Civil Defense Manual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well it looked interesting but unfortunately I had to give up after three pages. Some Photoshop ``guru'' has superimposed an ugly logo on every page, thereby ruining them: these are historical documents, not personal advertising billboards. Hint: JPEG defines header fields, use those if you want to show off.

  5. Re:Black-and-white nukes... by epugachev · · Score: 2, Informative

    The panda issue is separate from the nuke issue. That article is a summary of all the documents that were recently declassified by the Brits, and not all of them have to do with nuclear war plans.

  6. Probably economic liquidation by AngusH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Liquidation probably refers to the unfortunate state that the British economy had reached in the 1970s.

    In addition to facing a nuclear threat (vaporization) there was a serious possibility that the country might collapse economically (liquidation).

    Eventually the government got support from the IMF.

    Of course the Soviet Union might have taken advantage of the situation if an economic collapse did happen in which case you might have had both sequentially.

    Lots of different government papers got released at the same time, so it tends to get reported together.

  7. Re:Linux users need not apply by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dude, mplayer is your friend. It is capable of using native Win32 codecs (included on many sites as a tarball) and it will play just about any format known to man. There are also plugins for Firefox which allow you to start mplayer by clicking on them funky Windows Media Player "only" links.

  8. Britain had the best post-nuke TV specials by ashitaka · · Score: 3, Informative

    America gave us "The Day After" which came off as an Irwin Allen disaster flick.

    Britain gave us "Threads" which scared you shitless.

    Also "When the Wind Blows" should be mentioned.

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  9. Two (or more) separate topics here. by 6350' · · Score: 2, Informative

    Note that the pandas and the plans for possible nuclear war are two separate topics, both of which came to light from what amounts to declassified cabinet papers.

    The article is about some of the interesting tidbits from this archival release which are by and large unrelated to eachother.

  10. Re:Whew...Glad that's over! by niktemadur · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...the nuclear threat is still there

    Hmmm...yes and no. Since the fall of the Soviet Union and her 'satellite states', the threat for MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) has virtually disappeared. I mean, twenty years ago the image of thousands of ICBMs crossing each other in opposite directions was palpable, while now it almost sounds like the hysterical folly of Cold War doomsayers. The missiles are still there, but the Politburo has gone the way of the dodo, along with the itchy-trigger-finger military antagonism it fed back and forth with Washington, and I'm sure we all hope that the missiles in the plains beyond the Urals, along with those in South Dakota, rot in their freaking silos.

    The image that sounds more feasible today is the suicide backpack nuker blowing a crater in the middle of an urban area, a couple of missiles lobbied from North Korea into Tokyo, or twin nukes blowing up in Delhi and Islamabad.

    By the way, does anybody know if SAC (Strategic Air Command) is still flying its' B-52 bombers in circles around the perimeter of the Artic Circle, just in case?

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  11. Re:BEER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That stuff about Pandas, Beer or Europe are nothing to do with the nuclear stuff, it's just that everything from 1975 has been declassified after 30 years so everything comes out at once, that article is rather confused as it's a summery rather than soley about civil defence.

  12. decimated ? by ndg123 · · Score: 2, Informative

    if the education system has only been decimated, that's not so bad
    i would settle for a technical education system which is 90% as good as the old soviet system.
    ok with a bit more money for equipment.

    perhaps you meant 'almost completely destroyed' rather than decimated.

    1. Re:decimated ? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Informative
      if the education system has only been decimated, that's not so bad... perhaps you meant 'almost completely destroyed' rather than decimated.

      As a native speaker of English (who makes his living by writing in it), I have to tell you that I grimaced when I read this.

      Is English actually your first language, or did you just pick one possible usage of this word out of the dictionary because you didn't know what it meant?

      While there is another accepted definition of decimate - "to kill off one in ten", or "to reduce by a tenth" - it is almost always taken in ordinary conversation to mean "to reduce drastically in quantity or number; to destroy a large part of".

      In fact, I'd venture to say that perhaps one native English speaker in a hundred is even aware of the other definition, and that your post just sounds really weird to the other 99.
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  13. Re:Poland did that too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  14. Re:Linux users need not apply by someone300 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why must everyone keep saying that you can't use realplayer stuff (embedded or not) in Linux?

    https://player.helixcommunity.org/

    Not only does it work perfectly, standalone and as a plugin, it's better than the Windows Real* players.
    And, if you don't want to use the plugin, you could just view the html of the page and get the link to it, then open it in a standalone player... mplayer, realplayer, vlc.. etc.

  15. Re:Linux users need not apply by sxpert · · Score: 2, Informative

    dude, that doesn't work on my 64 bit machine...

  16. BBC's The War Game movie by Morinaka · · Score: 2, Informative

    The War Game made in 1966 by the BBC shows what would have happened and have been done in the event of a soviet nuclear attack, although it was banned from TV for being too graphic. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/ You can probably get it on bit torrent somewhere if you want to watch it.

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  17. Re:Linux users need not apply by mormop · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can also go here:

    http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.htm l

    and download the essential codecs package.

    Un-bunzip it and copy the contents of the resulting folder into /usr/lib/win32 (you may have to create it depending on your distro) and all of a sudden you can play wmp files in mplayer and several other media palyers on Linux (not encoded ones but DVD Jon's got a fix for that i hear).

    If you put mozilla and mozplugger on you can then play embedded media (make sure that konqueror is set for the plugins dirs).

    Sadly, the BBC is still using closed formats but they do have a fully open audio/video codec in development that they will hopefully use in future.

    BTW No, I don't work for the BBC but they are one of the few organisations in Britain worth caring about.

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  18. Re:For Another Take, Check Out The Movie "Threads" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  19. Works with mplayer without any binary-only dlls by lindi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fortunately in this case the stream can be played with

    mplayer rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/media/avdb/news_web/au dio/9012da6800315e8/nb/09012da68003170d_16x9_nb.ra

    without the need for any evil binary-only dlls.