Slashdot Mirror


Santa Shopped Online This Year

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet is reporting on another blockbuster year for online shopping. Online shopping was up almost 30 percent over last year." From the article: " Clothing was the top seller in terms of dollar amount, at $5.3 billion total, up 42 percent from last year's revenue, the report said. Computer hardware and peripherals showed the most growth, 126 percent, at $4.8 billion. Consumer electronics was the second fastest growing category, garnering $4.8 billion, up 109 percent. People spent $3 billion on books online, up 66 percent, and $2.3 billion on products in the toys/video games category of hardware and software, a drop of 9 percent from last year, the study found. "

13 of 133 comments (clear)

  1. figures for pre-xmas only by welcher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The summary doesn't seem to have it quite right: the $30b is an estimate of what was spent 31 Oct - 23 Dec. Which is 30% than same estimate last year. But, FTA, another company did a survey for a similar period and found total sales to be $18b, up 25% from the previous year. Which all goes to suggest there isn't an agreed measure of online spending ...

  2. From a retail store owner by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I own 2 (and 1/2) retail stores in the Midwest US, and this will be our final year in retail.

    Our inventory was better than or equal to more dotcoms. Our service was better (30 day DOA or defect replacement and lifetime labor). Our pricing was equal. Our hours were "better" since we were open 7 days a week.

    What killed us? Sales tax. Our average sale in 2005 for about $230 (we sell paintball, skateboards and a ton of clothing). At 7%, we were consistently $16+ over per average sale than the dotcoms, even with instant acquisition.

    2005 was our best year ever, so we're ending it at the top. Next year's outlook is bleak as many states want to raise sales tax and other fees. No thanks. In 2005 I paid more in sales tax than I did in payroll.

    I'm not mad, actually -- the dotcoms are a great way to save money AND screw the state. I feel bad about my customers who loved our store, but I also know many bought online for the higher margin items that didn't need servicing (we were not competitive on those items as we had to price in future service and were always about 20% higher).

    Local communities WILL suffer, though. Retail sales can be a big income base for the local community -- my mechanic performs almost 80% of his work for retail employees' cars. My dentist has almost 1/3rd of her patients working in retail. As retail suffers, these secondary markets will also suffer. But the positive is that the money we save in retail by shopping online should offer us more money to spend on other things.

    It was a great 5 years, I did very well financially, and in the end, the state decided they didn't want me around -- otherwise they'd have ended the vile sales tax that is quickly ruining retail.

    1. Re:From a retail store owner by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been in business for 16+ years (a variety of businesses). Retail wasn't my thing -- my wife begged me for a store and then I got hooked. We do constant market analyses to stay ahead of the competition -- online and brick and mortar. The outlook for next year looks BAD. My political views might seem to some a little aggressive, but I forsee a bad recession starting, and the retailers will get slammed, in my opinion.

      There's an idea I have that many people throw good money at bad problems -- I won't do that. I'll lose about $100,000 closing the stores, but that's better than losing 4 times as much if things go sour. This year was exceptional because we finally overcame some starting costs (build outs and the rest) that I paid out of my pocket. I do NOT see good things ahead in 2006, and I don't want to take that big of a risk.

    2. Re:From a retail store owner by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not sure I understand how you went out of business.

      We didn't go out of business, we're making the choice to close our doors -- big difference. In every business, in every market, there comes a time when the old ways are obsolete. Ma and pa retail stores are pretty much antiquated, so I figured we'd best get out on top. One of my 3 stores closed up on its own (major cash flow problems and a very disloyal community), so I found my exit strategy and took it.

      Also, since you so clearly identified the problem (and have great understanding of it) what would you propose a solution to be?

      There is no solution. It is so convoluted, but in the end I have to blame government -- and I know I'll get flamed for saying that.

      Look at it this way:

      1. Our rent is outrageous -- almost $18-$25 per square foot. I fully blame this on the Fed's easy credit and a massive amount of "new" money entering the property market. There is no way my main store's rent should be $5000 per month -- but it is! This is in a town of 4000 people, mind you.

      2. Our payroll is outrageous -- for every $1 I pay my employee, I have almost $1.50 to also pay to government and accountants (because of the tax laws). There's no way around it, especially since the warehouses who sell for the big dotcoms hire people either at minimum wage, or as contractors below minimum wage. I have friends who work at the big dotcoms in the warehouses and they're practically slaves.

      3. We pay 7% to sales tax, plus the an additional 3.5% to accountants to handle the sales tax. One store files over 45 different forms a year for various government bodies. This puts us at a significant penalty over companies that don't have to pay this portion.

      4. We pay a larger portion in shipping -- we don't move millions annually so we don't get the same discounts as the big guys.

      But its ok! The dotcoms won because they were more efficient. Yes, my customers who lose me will lose great service and a very community oriented business, but if they weren't willing to pay the extra 15-20%, why should I take a big risk?

      Retail is dead, except for the megacorps who have ways around the issues plaguing me. I recently found out 3 super stores in my neighboring town get a sales tax rebate -- they charge 7% to the consumer but get to keep over half of it. Yeah, that's fair.

    3. Re:From a retail store owner by dada21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aren't you the same fucktard who pays his employee's minimum wage anyway.

      Yes. I pay minimum wage salaries, plus up to 66% profit from each project. My lowest paid employee works 15 hours a week and takes home about $65,000 annually (minimum wage plus profit sharing).

      On top of that, I am the lowest paid of my entire staff (including bonuses, profit sharing and dividends). So don't think I am some rich bitch. I drive a 1996 Toyota Corolla with no power accessories.

    4. Re:From a retail store owner by GoodOmens · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Fair enough response. A little more clear :-).

      Sounds like you should just join em. Keep your invetory, buy cheap space where realestate is cheap (ie where window shoppers dont go .. or hell to start this venture move to your garage). Get a internet connection and open a online store ;-).

      With some decent marketing using google adsense you will have customers in no time.

    5. Re:From a retail store owner by penguin_dance · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I can't let this pass...

      In 2005 I paid more in sales tax than I did in payroll.

      YOU didn't pay the sales tax. WE (i.e., your customers) did! Sales tax is a no loss collection with you as the collection agent for the state. In fact, you could very well invest the money until it's due that quarter to make some profit. In my state, if you pay it by a certain time you get a (tiny) rebate. However, If you spent it on other things instead of keeping it separate and then had to scrape it together every three months, shame on you.

      If things stink so much in the bricks and sticks world, but you still have a viable business, why not go on-line instead of closing down? Seems to me you're cutting off your nose to spite the state. There was a retail chain called Egghead that totally closed their physical stores and went online to become New Egg. Very daring at the time they did it. I believe they're making a tidy profit AND I can tell you the prices are a WHOLE lot better than when they had a store in my community!

      Local communities WILL suffer, though. Retail sales can be a big income base for the local community

      It seems you consider someone in retail only if they have a physical shop. With exception of the landlords wanting to rent space, I think e-business could HELP small towns and SAVE a lot of mom and pop shops because they can appeal WORLDWIDE instead of just to their community. Diversification will save a small-town business, because you're not sweating when a new Wal*Mart or other larger chain moves into town if you've got a expanded customer base.

      Businesses large and small have to change and roll with what's out there. Small businesses have the advantage of being more flexable than say a Montgomery Wards or a Mervyns. You've got to pick up your head and see what the trends are. Or you can just quit and sit on the porch and watch the bigger dogs go by.

      --
      If you've never been modded as "flamebait" or "troll," you've never tried to argue a minority viewpoint here!
    6. Re:From a retail store owner by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your lowest paid works 15 hours a week for $65k a year! Sweet Jebus. Perhaps you're paying your staff a little too much.

      If you check the guy's comments from last week, none of the numbers ever add up. He pays people minimum wage, yet they make huge salaries, but the government takes it all, but his employees love it, etc., etc. Perhaps he's exaggerating a little bit.

    7. Re:From a retail store owner by dada21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, I meant those numbers for my IT business, not my retail business. The poster was trolling about my pay rates -- minimum wage plus very high (up to 66%) project profit sharing -- in my IT business. My retail pay rates are much lower, but about double the national take-home average.

      We're reviewing our retail businesses for 2007 -- we might decommission our big stores and open a large quantity of tiny shops where the manager is also a significant owner (30% or so), so that we can tie the pay to the market. Always things to research.

  3. North Carolina already does... by artemis67 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    however, it's up to the individual to volunarily report all internet purchases on their state tax form, so it's a wonder why they even bothered to pass the law.

  4. Cracking down on use taxes by Yartrebo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if online retailers would change their tune if there was a major crackdown on people evading paying their use taxes. When you buy something online, you are responsible to pay your state a tax equal to the difference between the local rate and the rate you paid (essentially the full sales tax for most online purchases). It isn't that hard to track violators. If ABC web shopping doesn't collect sales taxes AND a citizen of the state received a package from them AND said citizen filled in $0 for their use tax, one can deduce that said citizen underreported their use tax by at least that amount. A list of packages could be generated by forcing companies making local deliveries to report a list of all packages delivered (this would require a federal law as it falls under the Elastic Clause of the Constitution). If you cannot provide the receipts proving you accrued no more use tax than you declared, then you pay the tax with penalties and interest.

    Personally, I feel it would be a lot easier and trample on far fewer liberties to just have the web retailer collect sales tax.

  5. The modern high-tech Santa Claus by btarval · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The modern image of Santa Claus is, I'm afraid, a sad one.

    Santa would HAVE to shop on-line this year. It would be the only way that he could legally get the toys.

    The old way of doing things, by having his elves make the toys, is now illegal. It constitutes "Intellectual Property theft". And WIPO, the RIAA and MPAA all joined forces to force Saint Nick to adhere to the New World Order.

    Our now less jolly old Saint Nick has had to negotiate Patent Cross-licensing, Manufacturing, Trademark and Copyright agreements with all of the major corporate entities this year. This left little time to build toys; hence the need for Santa's web shopping spree.

    Consequently, the Elves have had their prior work outsourced to the Elves in India, China, and elsewhere. Fortunately, they are still gainfully employed, as they have now become either high-powered Lawyers or PEB's (Pointy-eared bosses). This was a bit hard on the Elves, as they are normally good, by nature.

    Santa's visits have also had to come to a stop. The delivery by flying Reindeer constituted illegal border crossings and smuggling, as well as breaking and entering via the Chimney. Now he has to use UPS.

    The various State Attorneys General are also looking into the issue of whether Interstate taxes have to be paid, from previous years.

    Somehow, I liked the old way of doing things (before this ad-hoc notion of "Intellectual Property" was created) much better.

    --
    The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Peter Drucker.
  6. Re:Fair tax... by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    kfg:

    If you run a business today you are a tax collector in every sense of the word. You withhold payroll taxes, you charge sales taxes, you file 1099s on interest and dividends you issue to ensure that the recipients pay the tax.

    Businesses are already the main collectors of tax. Many even wind up paying $10,000 a year or more for accountants and accounting software to make sure they don't screw the taxes up.

    The Fair Tax just simplifies the process by making all the federal taxes one simple to compute percentage.

    The only legitimate challenge to the fair tax I've ever heard was from the man soon to be governor of Virginia, Tim Kaine. He said that just as you would diversify your investments, the government should have a diversified tax base, and the Fair Tax puts all your eggs in one basket. I don't agree with this for various reasons, but that's the only challenge to the Fair Tax I've ever heard that is even valid.

    --
    I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.