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Swedish Filesharers Start 'The Piracy Party'
sp3tt writes "Tired of being called criminals, a group of Swedish filesharers have started a new political party, The Piracy Party (Piratpartiet in Swedish). The party wants to abolish all intellectual property laws, reverse the data retention directive passed by the EU last month, and protect privacy with new laws. The party expresses no opinion on other subjects. The Piracy Party's webpage is so far only available in Swedish, at piratpartiet.se The party's goal is to get into to the parliament, which requires 4% of the votes, or roughly 225000 votes. Elections are held in September."
If their aim is to abolish immaterial law, then how do they reconcile that with protecting privacy? After all, that would be immaterial law, would it not?
I think this party would have much better support if they tried to reduce copyright terms to something more sensible like ~15 years, to see what affect competition with a more contemporary public domain would have on the market, before jumping headlong into abolishing copyright altogether.
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People don't want to live in the environment these people are describing. They merely don't want their rights curtailed.
Would you like to live in an anarchy? No. It'd suck because there were no rules.
Likewise this would suck.
Instead they should just be holding back on patents, fighting for fair-term copyrights (e.g., 50 years maximum), and fair-use rights (purchased music is owned and can be copied by the owner as many times, but not redistributed unless all other copies are destroyed/included in the redistribution) and to not have spyware installed on the computer regardless of how they respond to the EULA. Basically, strong limitations on what the corporations can and cannot do, and some restrictions on the users to encourage responsible behaviour.
Are there really that many people, even on Slashdot, that think stealing intellectual property is not wrong?
Hopefully, most people on Slashdot are educated enough to know that "stealing intellectual property" is not even possible, by definition. (Well, maybe it is possible with some sort of memory erasing device.)
In particular, derivative works are often the sources of significant new ideas, but the current laws make that very dangerous. Punchline: Walt Disney's stuff was highly derivative, but if a new creator tried to do the same stuff to Disney, Inc., they'd slap him in jail sooooo fast.
However, the largest abuse is probably unlimited term extension for copyright. There is almost nothing left for "society" in that area.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
That's great. It must be absolutely awesome to live in a country where there's more than two political parties.
Err, wait a minute.
*thinks*
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I mean, it must be absolutely awesome to live in a country where there's more than one political party.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
The party wants to abolish all intellectual property laws
So, er, if trademarks and similar are abolished, how do you make sure you're voting for the real Piracy Party, and not something with the same name but vastly different policies set up as a stunt by the Swedish Anti-Piracy Bureau?
Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com
The big news here, to me, is that Sweden seems to allow minority opinions into their parliament. . .
Yes, that is why they choose to call it a Parley-ment.
America's founding fathers were well aware of such a system. It was the one they were living under until independence was declared (with the caveat that they themselves were not allowed at the parley table); and so they were aware of its shortcomings and sought to obviate them. They were also well aware that they were trading one set of shortcomings for another. It's wise to remember that when the grass looks greener on the other side.
"Well, we solved that problem. Hey! Where'd that problem come from?"
All that said it's true that I have never had a representative in government, in the truest sense of the word, not one, in my entire life. Nor do I ever expect to have one. Under a parliamentary system I might well have someone who at least represents me in some focused issue or other.
KFG
Theft is any time that someone acquires property from someone without their permission.
From Webster: Steal v. t. "To take, and carry away, feloniously; to take without right or leave, and with intent to keep wrongfully; as, to steal the personal goods of another."
How exactly can I carry away so called intellectual property? Do do so (rather than to copy it and carry away a copy) requires that I deprive the original "owner" of that property. Making a copy of a dollar bill is not called stealing, it is called counterfeiting. Making a copy of a copyrighted book without permission is not called stealing. It is called copyright infringement. Knowingly violating a patent is not called stealing. It is called patent violation (or patent infringement). Passing off another's work as my own is not stealing. It is called plagiarism. Buy a dictionary already.
If a teenager stole my car every night and when joyriding but brought in back every morning before I left for work I would still consider it stealing.
...but you'd probably be wrong. They may have illegally borrowed your car, but if they intend to return it, it is not stealing, unless you count them keeping it for a time as "keeping it." In any case, copying something is not stealing it. That is why we have different words for different things. It makes these distinctions clear.
Although they do a good job of getting media attention, but their message is so extreme, a lot of people will write them off as crackpots and judging righteous IP reformer the same.
The downside of their proposal is that it is extremely profitable for big business, more so then for occasional filesharers. If there is no copyright, businesses will be able to rip of any Linux distro and sell it as their own (or any other piece of copyrighted work). This will rearrange the playingfield, but the ones with lots of money to invest have a big advantage here.
Copyright is a double edged sword: it protects the big evil business taking advantage of musicians and authors, but also protects independent musicians and authors from the big evil companies (if they are smart enough not to sign all their rights over for a cheap meal and a record deal).
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I own dozens of copyrights. Its not hard to do, just write something. It doesn't have to be good, or popular, or make money, or anything else. You automatically have copyright on your creations.
What kills minority parties is a lack of a parlimentary body combined with a winner take all system. In the US you can get one more vote then the next guy and then fuck everybody who didn't vote for you without harm. As the grandparent stated due to gerrymandering for the vast majority of the US population there is no sense in even voting for the house of reps, over 90% of the districts are strictly one party affairs.
It's funny how we preach democracy while working so hard to deny people choices and quash minority representation.
evil is as evil does
I guess I'm the only one on Slashdot who thinks it's reasonable for record labels to want to make some money. I strongly agree that suing the grandparents of kids for downloading is going way too far, I strongly believe in the concept of fair use and I strongly believe in limiting the time span of a copyright. But when folks are downloading songs from the Internet that they have not paid a single bit of royalties for then it doesn't seem to me that the record labels are being unreasonable by being upset about that.
I know, I'm the only person on Slashdot who feels that both sides in this issue are somewhat wrong, so please feel free to flame me.
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Actually, I'd say it's the english rules that are the strange ones. The rule in Swedish, and I believe in most germanic languages, is simply: do not put spaces in nouns, adjectives or verbs (or in any other "word" for that matter).
Think about the english noun "water tap". Notice that it's just that - a noun. If "water" was an adjective, then it would be an adjective and a noun; but it isn't, since if it was, it would make sense to say things like "the tap is water". The first word in "rusty tap", however, Is an adjective.
Though English puts spaces in nouns, it doesn't usually put spaces in adjectives (it's written "able-bodied man" instead of "able bodied man"). I guess that would just be too confusing..
To sum it up, English puts spaces in its nouns. Most other germanic languages don't. Who's being weird? =)
Wouldn't it be better to create your own party in your own country to represent the same ideals? Here in the US I'd be willing to join such a party. Something that supports individual privacy, the right to reverse engineer, the weakening of IP laws (no software/genetic/business/etc patents and short copyright periods), encouragement of open standards, encouragement of open source, etc. I wouldn't call it the Piracy Party though. The Intellectual Freedom party would be could. You could do some good marketing with 'IF?'.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I'm even using the same name.... The Piracy Party.
And there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
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don't have as many people who believe it" - George Carlin
When I voiced this same opinion some time back I got modded into the ground, then spit on.
While I'm Anglo, and can get by en Francais, speak enough Viet and Thai to be able to order food and be pleasant, and am trying to learn Cantonese (my wife hates it when I try to speak Guangdong-wha, says I sound vietnamese :) ) , my wife was born in Canton, China. They then moved to Lima, Peru. The whole family learned spanish to survive. They then moved the kids up here to the USA (so that Shining Path rebels wouldn't kidnap them for ransom) and they all learned English as well.
Even though she speaks fluent Castillian Spanish better than 90% of native south americans, (and grammatically better English than 95% of most Americans), she gets pissed at the other immigrants that refuse to learn English.
Here in Tampa Bay, Florida, it is ridiculous. Hillsborough County had to hire extra spanish-speaking employees for the 911 call center, as well as various other emergency services. So here we are, footing the bill for immigrants to be able to NOT assimilate into our (and by 'our', I mean every 'American', not just us 'whiteys') country.
Wait, What?