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Water Cooling an Xbox 360

An anonymous reader writes "HardOCP has done it once again. They have an article running down the process of water cooling an Xbox 360, and with surprising effectiveness and remarkable styling." From the article: "We had plans to water cool an Xbox 360 for over a year now. Little did we know that not only will this water cooling project be more fun than the original, but it may even be practical. Imagine that. With reports of heat related issues and a heat sink that can get almost too hot to touch after marathon gaming sessions, the Xbox 360 water cooling project now had a sense of purpose. We bought a retail Xbox 360 specifically for this project. The minute we got it back to the [H] labs we tore into it and, with a little help from the fine folks at Koolance, we have put together a water cooling solution that will handle anything the Xbox 360 can throw at it and literally knock your socks off." Actual implimentation with hand-holding. Hexus.net was discussing a kit to do this a few days ago.

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  1. Some other crazy ideas by jaygatsby27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about a small fan or maybe, just maybe, not shoving the whole thing into a tiny space with no ventilation.

  2. Cooling by rfinnvik · · Score: 3, Funny

    The standard 360 cooler uses liquid to transfer heat more efficiently from the CPU/GPU afaik. Maybe in the next revision they should consider taking this idea further and add a radiator and pump... :)

    1. Re:Cooling by Admiral+Frosty · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can only imagine what might go wrong with Microsoft putting water-cooling in a major console. They failed a simple power brick...

    2. Re:Cooling by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They failed a simple power brick...

      Typical Slashdot piss-on-Microsoft attitude. Microsoft likely had no part in designing the power brick; for one, they don't have the expertise to design an active-PFC swtiched-mode high-wattage power supply.

      Now, we can certainly fault Microsoft for not testing their vendor's product sufficently, but the fact is that 95% of XBOX 360s are chugging along perfectly fine.

    3. Re:Cooling by rseuhs · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Typical Slashdot piss-on-Microsoft attitude. Microsoft likely had no part in designing the power brick;

      Typical Microsoft-fanboyism.

      The moment Microsoft puts any component into a box that has the label "Microsoft" on it, they are responsible.

      Yeah, I know, for the typical "it's not Microsoft's fault" - apologist, reponsibility is a strange and alien concept.

      But essentially it comes down to this:

      It doesn't matter wether Microsoft had a part in designing the power brick.

      They are responsible to make sure the thing works. Yes, that means if some supplier screwed up it's still Microsoft's repsonsibility to do some minimal quality control so that the broken units don't get shipped.

  3. sigh.... by Quick+Sick+Nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do modders always go compete ape shit over stupid stuff like this? I have an Xbox 360 and it works. It just works. No it doesn't have water cooling. I also did case mod it, and it still works! Yes, some people have had problems. Just don't put the power supply in a bad place and you'll be fine. Water cooling for PC's may make sense because there are different types of PC's. Right now an Xbox 360 is just a 360, and if you follow instructions and have a bit of common sense, you'll be fine. It either plays the game or it doesn't. A water cooling system isn't just unecessary, it's stupid.

    1. Re:sigh.... by pavera · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "it just works"
      then you go on to qualify your it just works statement by saying you have to put the power supply in a "good" place...
      This is a piece of consumer electronics. Do you consider a DVD player to be broken if you have to lay the cables in just the right way?
      What about a TV? Heck even a computer, switch, or router? I can't believe you're defending the xbox 360. Having to pay attention to where cables/exhaust fans are located on a piece of consumer electronics is unacceptable.

    2. Re:sigh.... by balthan · · Score: 4, Funny

      isn't just unecessary, it's stupid.

      Welcome to slashdot, you must be new here.

  4. 40 lashes with a dictionary by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Funny
    we have put together a water cooling solution that will handle anything the Xbox 360 can throw at it and literally knock your socks off.

    I fail to see how a water cooling system would do any sock-knocking. I guess they don't actually know what the word literally means (hint: it isn't a superlative nor does it simply add emphasis).

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    1. Re:40 lashes with a dictionary by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In linguistics, prescription is the laying down or prescribing of normative rules for a language.

      If what you're doing doesn't qualify as such, then I don't know what does.

      I'm not saying that usage of the word "literally" is wrong because the dictionary says it is. I'm saying it's wrong because it's opposite of the common usage. Point is, the entire value of language is its commonality. Traditional prescriptivism is railing against uses of "ain't" not in place of "am not", or the splitting of infinitives. "Incorrect" usages like that do not cause ambiguity, they're simply nitpicks by absolutists.

      Using the word "literally" to add emphasis is common usage,

      Hogwash. It's a common error, but common usage is still primarily the correct way.

      and given that you understood clearly the intent of the author, it seems that it was an adequate choice of words.

      Just because an error is common doesn't make it not an error. My recognition of the error doesn't make it not an error. There is a descriptive definition of the word as we, the english speaking public, use it, and it isn't for emphasis. See, "descriptivists" can be as bad as prescriptivists when they defend every illiterate dumbfuck's utter misuse of a word. "Literally knock your socks off" is an easy one to spot as wrong because there does not exist anything that literally knocks off socks. But what if they said "literally burning down the house", intending it as emphasis? Pretty fucking ambiguous. It's fucking wrong because "literally" has a specific common usage that doesn't just vanish because some crackhead with a web site doesn't know how the rest of us use it.

      And if I'm not mistaken, we use the American punctuation rules on slashdot, so put those commas back behind those quotation marks.

      I use "programming" punctuation rules, i.e. if the fragment quoted didn't have punctuation originally, then the period at the end of my sentence has no business weaseling its way into that character string as it's part of MY words, not THEIRS. It doesn't matter, though. The important thing is that no meaning is lost.

      I probably haven't convinced you, but at least I hope you see that prescription is ultimately a waste of time.

      Oh, indeed I accept that trying to stem the tide of illiteracy is pointless.
      I just don't agree that I'm being prescriptive.

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  5. *Literally* Knock My Socks Off, eh? by venomkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With what, water pressure?

    *grumblegrumble*

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  6. Aww... by Psykus · · Score: 4, Funny

    "With reports of heat related issues and a heat sink that can get almost too hot to touch after marathon gaming sessions.."

    I just love touching the heatsink after a good session of gaming, and now I can't with the Xbox 360; I gotta get this product now!

  7. Cooling the wrong components? by Hunter-Killer · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the PSU that overheats, causing the majority of recent problems.

    But hey, if you'd rather spend ~180 on a water cooling system instead of not stuffing the power block deep inside a cabinet, more power to you. ;)

  8. Koolance Commercial by eander315 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They used all Koolance products throughout, with no discussion at all about why they used those particular parts when several other better ones are available. This really doesn't seem that useful anyway unless you pipe the water through the power supply. Even the most intrepid of the PC water cooling community are wary of doing that.

  9. You've obviously never had an Xbox360 fall on you. by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had one fall on my leg.

    It ripped my flesh to the bone, knocked my sock off, broke my big toe and killed my cat.

    damn you Microsoft
    DAMN YOU

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  10. Re:I don't get it... by Varkias · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well I look at it like they did this for a few reasons.
    1) For people who already bought an XBox 360 and cannot wait for MS to "fix the problem"
    2) It's a cool thing to do.
    3) Third parties can see that watercooling an XBox 360 is possible and will release kits that people can use.

    But yes in a perfect world MS should fix the problem, it's not 100% guaranteed that they will though. Power to the people.

  11. Armchair engineering by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful
    With reports of heat related issues and a heat sink that can get almost too hot to touch after marathon gaming sessions

    If 'almost too hot to touch' is below the specs for the processor's operating temperature range...it doesn't matter how hot it feels to the user.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people with no training will second-guess the basic competency of others with degrees in their field. Yes, the power supply gets too hot if placed on a rug...but that doesn't mean the xbox itself isn't designed properly. Probably just means that they didn't do a lot of testing in people's homes with the bricks on rugs and such; from what I understand, the problem is pretty rare even if you don't "cool" the brick.

    I also love the egotistical "we drive 'em hard" implied in the "marathon gaming" bits- as if they're HARDCORE users who STRESS the xbox beyond its limits. I guarantee Microsoft had units running benchmarks/game demos for WEEKS at a time doing burn-in...

  12. sad by mj2k · · Score: 4, Informative

    it's sad that after all the hype, MS seemingly ignored such a basic component as verifying that internal components remain within thermal limits. I should be able to leave my xbox 360 on overnight without having to worry about it overheating, and I shouldn't have to resort to water-cooling the 360 to ensure it operates properly. Props to those who got this to work, but a user who spends 300+ bucks on a console shouldn't have to make the choice of voiding their warranty (and spending extra to put a cooling sys together) in order to keeep their 360 operating within thermal specs, or risk overheating and failure in the future. MS never seems to quite get it, they made a _huge_ deal pre-release about the chassis being smaller and more attractive (especially those stupid swappable front covers), yet all the hardcore gamers I know would prefer a stable system with great performance to an attractive POS that overheats when you leave it running overnight.

    1. Re:sad by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I should be able to leave my xbox 360 on overnight without having to worry about it overheating, and I shouldn't have to resort to water-cooling the 360 to ensure it operates properly.

      You can and you don't. Seriously, don't believe everything you read (including this, I guess).

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  13. Liquid cooling should provide less noise by Cardcaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you own a Xbox 360 you will quickly realize how loud the two case fans are. The liquid cooling modification if done properly will make a huge difference in the noise level provided you can remove, replace, or slow down the stock fans.