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IP Attorney - Why SCO Has No Case

OSS_ilation writes "In an interview over at SearchOpenSource.com, IP attorney Thomas Carey shoots down SCO's cases against IBM and Novell, but predicts that SCO will fight a losing battle to its last. IT directors shouldn't worry about SCO Group's latest sallies in its legal war on Linux vendors IBM Corp. and Novell Inc., Clarey says, and explains why SCO has no case, predicts the open source legal fields of battle for 2006 and discusses SCO's claims against Novell. Carey chairs the Business Practice Group of Bromberg & Sunstein LLP, an intellectual property law practice in Boston, Mass." Groklaw, as always, has additional details and commentary on this.

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  1. Everybody knows that... by bubulubugoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The question is: Why is taking so long to the court to dismiss the case?

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    1. Re:Everybody knows that... by temojen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To prevent a flood of appeals.

    2. Re:Everybody knows that... by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why is taking so long to the court to dismiss the case?

      This question reveals a common misunderstanding about the function of the US legal system, especially in civil matters.

      The legal system is primarily designed to make money for the legal profession. Once litigation is concluded, the lawyers stop receiving money. Read Bleak House by Charles Dickens and realise that, while certain details have changed, the general situation remains the same.

      Unfortunately, I am serious. Many members of Congress are lawyers and they ensure laws are framed to maximise the profession's profits. Logical reforms never see the light of day.

    3. Re:Everybody knows that... by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative
      If IBM wanted to get the case dismissed they probably could ... but they want it to go to trial for a couple of reasons.

      I don't think so.

      IBM submitted a number of motions for partial summary judgement and the judge either denied them or refused to consider them until after completion of discovery.

      If IBM could not get a partial judgement, it's rather unlikely that IBM could make the entire case go away, short of paying off SCO.

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  2. And I hate to do it, too by Benanov · · Score: 4, Funny
    SCO went after, with lawsuits, Linux customers before. Do you foresee this happening again?
    Carey: This might happen again. Hitler fought World War II until the Allies had nearly overrun his bunker. As long as investors are willing to provide the cash, SCO will sue because that is their business model. They will likely go after smaller companies as a means of controlling the cost of litigation.

    Godwin!

  3. Sooooooo... by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do I get my $699 back?

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  4. Making it appeal-proof... by rkhalloran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The judge has already commented on SCOX's astonishing lack of evidence; he's giving them lots of rope to hang themselves on, so when he hands them their collective ass, they don't have any grounds to come back and claim they didn't get a fair chance to make their [non-existant] case. And the positive PR accruing to Big Blue for defending Linux far outweighs the cost of the legal team, especially when sites like Groklaw are doing half the analysis work for them gratis.

  5. Time to move to the other targets by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time to start finding out the real reasons for this happening. The investors that have been pumping money into SCO knowing full well there is no merit to the case. This deserves an investigation. I can't think of any investors, even the most dim-witted that would put money into propping up this boondoggle unless there is another motive involved. The old adage of follow the money comes to mind.

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  6. Lawyer Joke by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Darl could call up HandelontheLaw.com - if you've ever heard his radio show the main point is for Bill Handel to tell you you have no case. He Loves That. Anyway, here's a joke from Bill Handel's web site:

    In a recent FDA study, the United States government research physicians who were conducting studies on test drugs, administered weekly doses of Viagra to an equal number of doctors and lawyers.

    While the majority of the doctors achieved enhanced sexual prowess, the lawyers simply grew taller.

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  7. Re:Clearly Clarey is not Carey by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    SCO is fighting this losing battle for what?

    You must distinguish (1) why they started the war, from (2) why they are still fighting in spite of the fact that they are clearly losing.

    They started the war, with their business otherwise failing, as a gamble. They hoped for a quick settlement or a buyout from IBM to avoid the expense of litigation and potential damage to the Linux business. In that, they miscalculated, but may have felt they had little to lose anyway. The major miscalculation will be if individuals end up going to jail for perpetrating this clear scam. We shall need to wait about 10 years to know the answer to that question.

    Why do they continue to fight now, when it is clear they are going to lose? Quite simply, to delay the total dismemberment of their business. The counterclaims in the IBM case, the claims for damages in the Red Hat case, and handing over the bulk of the revenues from the SCO Source scam to Novell are going to bankrupt SCO many times over. Meanwhile, management continues to make money from their salaries and probably other opportunities.

  8. Questions of fact and of law by RevMike · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unless the case is totally without merit it has to go to a jury. You know that entitled to be judged by a jury of your peers.

    It has nothing to do with merit, but it has to do with what kind of outstanding questions are involved with the case.

    The American civil law system divides the questions that come up during a litigation into two categories: fact and law. Judges are responsible for deciding questions of law. Juries are responsible for deciding questions of fact.

    If the facts of the case are not in dispute, and the case solely hinges on the interpretation of law, the judge will rule on the case directly. On the other hand, if the facts of the case are in dispute, the judge will instruct the jury to decide the facts and the judge will apply the law to the jury's finding of facts.

    The fact that the case hasn't been dismissed is because the judge is not satisfied that there are no relevent facts in dispute.

  9. Re:That's really not likely by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    They have to be able to convince the lawyers that they will be paid.

    At the moment SCO is paying. However, soon, SCO will not have to pay their lawyers any more, although the lawyers will be committed to finishing the cases (and appeals, if any). The question is: when the lawyers are no longer receiving additional cash for their services, how good will their services be?

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  10. Refunds? by RickPartin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about the people who were tricked into or were forced by an employer into buying a license? Has SCO said whether they will refund the money?

  11. No-one is beyond recovery... by jd · · Score: 5, Funny
    Welcome to this meeting of IPaholics Anonymous, where people share their experience, strength and hope in their battle against their addiction to Intellectual Property lawsuits. Here are the twelve steps, adapted from other recovery programs.


    1. We admitted we were powerless against Open Source initiatives, that our contempt for common folk and peasents had become unmanageable.
    2. We came to believe that a sharing methodology greater than ourselves could restors us to sanity.
    3. Made a decision to turn our will, lives and FTP address to Freshmeat, as we understand Freshmeat.
    4. Made a searching and moral inventory of what sourcecode we actually have and own.
    5. Admitted to ourselves, Slashdot and Richard Stallman the exact nature of our licensing errors.
    6. Were entirely ready to let the OSI and the FSF remove these defects of proprietaryness.
    7. Humbly asked /dev/null to remove our closed licensing agreements.
    8. Made a list of all people we'd totally ripped off and became willing to send upgrades to them all.
    9. Directly sent their IT departments the necessary patches, except when to do so would break something else.
    10. Continued to grep license files and when they were closed, promply GPL them.
    11. Sought through LinuxFest and Slashdot to improve our concious contact with the F/LOSS meme as we understood F/LOSS, asking only for Linus Torvald's will and the processing power to carry that out.
    12. Having had a sourcecode awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to compulsive proprietary coders and to practice good coding in all our affairs.

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  12. Lawyers and IT - true story by Flying+pig · · Score: 3, Funny
    I got phoned up at work once by an acquaintance who was a commercial lawyer in a large corporation.

    "I've been told we're going to sue NEC. Who are NEC?"
    Me: "A large Japanese computer manufacturer. Why?"
    "Apparently our new system doesn't work."
    Me: "That sounds like software. NEC make hardware. Doesn't the hardware work?"
    "Apparently the software supplier went bust, so we're suing NEC"
    Me: "That doesn't make sense."
    "The thing is, have they got a lot of money?"
    Me: "I imagine they have huge amounts of money."
    "Oh good, that'll keep us busy for a while then."

    The reaction of lawyers everywhere.

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