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Get Fired. Delete Colleague's Account. Go To Jail.

SierraPete writes "CNet reports that Thomas Millot, a former systems analyst for a major pharmaceutical company, has lost his appeal on a computer intrusion charge. Mr. Millot was convicted of unlawfully entering the system that he used to work on and deleting a colleague's account after his job was outsourced. Mr. Millot's attorneys argued that his actions did not amount to $5K in damage--the threshold for the crime he was convicted of. The court disagreed, saying that IBM had done over $20K in work to undo his handiwork." Update: 01/14 19:55 GMT by J : Typo corrected; turns out the word "not" is important...

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  1. IBM ineptitude by Tet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So IBM are apparently claiming $20,350 at $50/hour to investigate the incident. That's 50 man days. For fsck's sake, what sort of incompetent morons are they employing? Call it a couple of hours to trawl some log files, a few more to retrieve the missing account from backup, and be generous and round it up to a week -- 5 man days to tie up all the loose ends, write the incident report and get management signoff for everything. But 50 man days? That's just not even vaguely reasonable, and smacks of them just going for the throat out of malice. Yeah, he screwed up, and deserved to be punished, but the punishment should be proportional to the crime, and it clearly isn't here. Quite how they managed to get a judge to swallow that is beyond me. It sounds like the defence lawyers weren't doing their job. I can't think of any other explanation.

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    1. Re:IBM ineptitude by Leto2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd like to know where Aventis found IBM consultants that only charge $50/hr...

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    2. Re:IBM ineptitude by TechieHermit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides, he only got three months in jail, plus restitution. That's relatively lenient for this kind of crime, isn't it? Most prosecutors try to lock hackers up for the maximum term.

      The real effect of his record will be that it effectively bars him from working in I.T. Which might not be an entirely bad thing -- the guy DOES seem to have a pretty flexible moral compass, doesn't he?

      My question is, why is this in "your rights online"?

    3. Re:IBM ineptitude by Rantastic · · Score: 5, Interesting
      what sort of incompetent morons are they employing?

      Funny you should ask. I have had several recent jobs cleaning up after IBM consultants. I finally had the chance to find out what is going on. It goes like this: IBM keep their top talent hard at work on the big multli-million dollar contracts. For the rest, it is anyone they can get off the street.

      I learned of this when I recently had a job interview with IBM. They had already signed a $2 million contract with a government agency to build a computational data center, but had no available staff to allocate to the contract. The interviewer was completely candid with me when I asked about why they would sign a contract they couldn't fulfill. He said it happens all the time and is standard operating procedure. They simply hire contractors as needed. I turned the job down.

      Ready for the punchline? They hired a guy that I have worked with in the past. This guy has no prior experience working with the technology he will be deploying. He is a decent guy, but he will be figuring things out on the fly. He is the best they could do. He is being sent in as an expert consultant by IBM. Think he will bill more hours than someone with actual experience?

      I recently asked a former customer of mine, who works IT for a large university, why people would hire IBM over a smaller company with more expertise. He said that as far as his boss is concerned, if you hire IBM and they screw something up, you are covered because you went with IBM. This same customer then went on to tell me how IBM completely botched a $1 million installation job at his university last year. They are in court over it.

      If this guy had a good lawyer they should have audited all the work done by IBM and the qualifications of the people doing the work.

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    4. Re:IBM ineptitude by qwyeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IANA security professional, but here goes:

      No system is 100% secure. Even if you do assume their security is state-of-the-art, there's still a margin of vulnerability. In this case, a security professional who was responsible for those systems abused his knowledge and former access to gain entry. Once he's in, there's no telling how many hacks, exploits, and sneaky tricks (not to mention previously-installed backdoors) he knows and can use to his advantage.

      No matter what their level of security and how much money they spent hardening everything in the past, they simply cannot be positive he hasn't found a way to sneak around their logs, sniffers, and monitors and install a rootkit. 50 man-days to recover doesn't sound so bad when you consider that one successful intrusion (however difficult it was to achieve) can result in an invisible-yet-gaping orifice that leaves all that hard-earned security worthless to future penetration.

      I agree that what Mr. Millot did is pretty stupid and stinks of 'amateur,' but IBM is operating in paranoia mode (and rightly so!). What if this guy is a pansy who knows just enough to get himself caught, but he was hired by a shady individual to plant a stealthy something and deleted the account as an afterthought? How does IBM know that their system isn't still compromised by something like that? Because they spent 50 man-days wiping and re-imaging systems or poring over md5 signatures or whatever it is they do in a situation like this.

      Actually, they still can't be 100% positive, but at least they were (to paraphrase the parent) duly diligent.

  2. Eh ? by Delifisek · · Score: 5, Funny

    20k for undeleting account?

    Pheww...

    Now I understood why IBM four times bigger than Microsoft....

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  3. Two lessons in there by ThatGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What most people will get out of it: people shouldn't break into computer systems and delete stuff

    What I get out of it: don't outsource IT to a firm that doesn't lock out former employees

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  4. Oh Please... by GodLived · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you're going to let someone go who holds high computer or network credentials, please make sure you disable or terminate their access IMMEDIATELY PRIOR to informing them of your decision. Failure to do so makes the outsourcee become an insider threat.

    The best security policy - although it seems cruel - is to escort someone out of the building immediately after receiving their resignation, or informing them that they are being terminated - and simultaneously disable their tokens, badges, RFID devices, company credit cards, voicemail accounts.

    1. Re:Oh Please... by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The best security policy - although it seems cruel - is to escort someone out of the building immediately after receiving their resignation, or informing them that they are being terminated - and simultaneously disable their tokens, badges, RFID devices, company credit cards, voicemail accounts.

      Although I've never liked losing a job, I'd rather have that done than be allowed to wander out on my own. This way I have a witness that can testify that any damage done after I was terminated isn't my fault.

      Last time I was let go, I told my manager that I was logged in and asked him to come over to my desk and log me out because I didn't even want to touch that computer again. He told me that he trusted me not to do anything foolish, but I still had him watch me log out, just to be safe.

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  5. Or here is a better idea by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of sending him to jail for a crime which no one was hurt, have him repay the money AND then you save room in jail for a VIOLENT OFFENDER.

    But I guess it makes more sense to let child molesters on the street and keep a dangerous hacker behind bars! What has this country come to.

    1. Re:Or here is a better idea by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Informative

      Okay, I know this is slashdot and most people didn't RTFA:

      A federal judge disagreed and handed down a relatively light sentence of three months of imprisonment, three months of home detention and three years of supervised release, plus a $5,000 fine and $20,350 in restitution.

      So he IS going to repay them $$$, lots of it. Not just jail time.

  6. Excellent, let's see MORE of this by Blymie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was a crime, hands down. Period. End of story.

    If you read the article, there were multiple breakins, on multiple days, over a period of years.

    The last likely removed files between backups, resulting in time lost for the employee. It doesn't speak of what was done during previous raids by this crook, but it is quite possible other costs were attributed to previous breakins.

    Crimes like this should be punished, and harshly. This crook should receive a couple of years, for something like this. Perhaps more.

    Why so harsh, you ask? It's simple. We need to start attributing _real_ penalties to crime on the internet. Sony, for example, should have seen criminal charges levied against the employees, management and all that had anything to do with that back door. Fines should have been in the billions. Yes, billions, as they should have received several thousands in fines per count. Employees must be treated harsely as well, after all, they can not legally claim they are just "following orders".

    If you know your employer is doing something illegal, you are BREAKING THE LAW if you do not report such an act! If you work with the employer, helping to break the law, guess what! It's jail time for you!

    We need (well, actually.. needed to, past tense) lock down crime on the internet a long time ago. We really have two choices here. We pay for police presence on the internet, judges that understand the crimes being committed.. or we leave the internet open and lawless.. and see horrid restrictions come down as a result.

    People won't put up with cracking all over the place. The public will demand security. The public is indeed, starting to. It can come from laws and police enforcement of those laws.. or draconian laws that restrict rights and freedom on the net (DRM).

    Which do you choose? DRM all over the place, locked down bioses and operating systems, logging so intense that ISPs keep a year of detailed backlogs, or realistic laws and paid for strong police presence on the net?

    Police all over the world are crying out that they are overburdened with crimes on the net. They are claiming that they don't have the ability to catch crooks, because they need new laws. It's happening right here, in Canada. It's happening, because police _don't_ have the manpower to handle crime on the net, by tracking down crime in the standard fashion. The answer, to them, is increased logging and wiretaps/net taps without warrents. I say, that democracy costs.

    To that end, we need to train judges and police to specifically handle computer crime. We need to enact treaties with out countries, and make sure that extradition is a possiblilty. We need to make sure that the police do not have unlimited ability to spy, but that there are judges in place that can issue warrants when the cause is evident. Fund the police, or allow DRM. Again, that is the choice we have.

    Anyhow, back to this particular case. A case like this, should be treated as if a physical breakin occurred, sentence wise. This guy KNEW he was breaking the law. He KNEW he was being an asshole. Being employed by someone does not entitle you to smash things in a temper tantrum, years after you've been fired or outsourced.

    Bleh.