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A Different Perspective on Gaming Addiction

Doomstalk writes "With all the negative press that gaming addiction has received as of late, it's interesting to see things from a different perspective. The Escapist has an article posing gaming addiction as a symptom of a larger problem: 'Are you doing it for the pleasure of the game, or the distaste of something else?'" From the article: "Why else would we routinely drop $50 on the latest iteration of games like Madden, Final Fantasy and Unreal Tournament - games that are, usually at their core, just like their predecessors? Why do we continue to spend upwards of $300 on the newest 'next generation' console? Why is it that, like kids who shovel out the basketball court in the middle of the winter, we line up outside retailers hours, if not days, ahead of time for worldwide console releases?"

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  1. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do we continue to spend upwards of $300 on the newest 'next generation' console? Why is it that, like kids who shovel out the basketball court in the middle of the winter, we line up outside retailers hours, if not days, ahead of time for worldwide console releases?

    Why? Because more retards have taken up gaming. Specifically, Xbox retards.

    1. Re:Why? by Nataku564 · · Score: 1

      I concur. Not necessarily in the classification, but at least the spirit of the statement. When I was waiting in line for Halo 2, the people there ... they weren't geeks, or nerds, or anything else I was used to seeing. Gaming has become too popular, and has become dilluted because of that.

    2. Re:Why? by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does it matter if gaming is 'too popular'?

      You sound like a high-school kid talking about his (former) favorite band, that he used to like, until they became 'too popular'.

      If someone really likes gaming, they should play games. Then we all get more games, more genres, better hardware.

      It's not an "I'm so cool" popularity contest- it's just plain entertainment.

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    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally, Gaming's early albums are much better than after they sold out. I was a fan way before any of you poseurs!

    4. Re:Why? by Nataku564 · · Score: 1

      I do like gaming, its just most titles nowadays tend to market themselves to the population at large and attempt to get all of the revenue they can. I mean, publishers before did this too - but they had a much smaller niche market to target. Yeah, I know it sounds like I am whining - and I am - but I find the reasons behind it valid.

  2. Is this even a question? by keyne9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do people shell out $25 for the latest and greatest books? Entertainment.

    1. Re:Is this even a question? by siegesama · · Score: 1

      I've always been fairly frank about this with myself and others; I buy books and video games to escape a disapointing reality. That's a bit different from just "entertainment"

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    2. Re:Is this even a question? by Supurcell · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should look up "entertainment" in the dictionary.

    3. Re:Is this even a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      escapism goes well beyond the offhand diversion of entertainment.

    4. Re:Is this even a question? by Jacius · · Score: 1

      They don't usually shell out $25 for a new edition of the same book every year, even if it contains corrected typos or a new 1-page introduction by the author. Certainly not en masse, as people do with [sports title] 200X. Fans of a particular book might buy a new copy when their current copy becomes unusable from wear-and-tear (pages falling out, etc.), but games certainly don't become unusable on an annual basis.

      Many existing games are as entertaining, if not more entertaining, than the new games, even many years after they were released. If someone is still entertained by a game on the Xbox (for example), why the compulsion to spend money on an Xbox360 and game, which may not be as entertaining? I'm not willing to say that addiction is the only explanation, but they are clearly NOT doing it for simple entertainment.

  3. What do you mean why? by NiTr|c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because society has turned into a gigantic media whore. We're so engrossed in forms of entertainment, moreso than we've ever been before at least. The corporations don't help this, of course. They're out to make enormous amounts of money off our willingness to believe we need their products for a better life.

    It all seems to boil down to getting people to stay pacified by moving picture boxes so we don't care about anything else. We may call this an addiction, but I'm sure from someone's eyes, it's plan gone far better than they thought possible. Call me paranoid, but I try to distance myself from anything TV / Radio related, not only because 99% of it is trash, but because I feel it just doesn't contribute anything healthy to one's life.

    Obviously this isn't just related to games. It's all forms of media, really. I'm not saying it's all evil and bad, but people should step back and really analyze how they're living in the midst of it all. We used to own devices, the games, the tv programs, etc. Now, it seems, that they own us. That doesn't sound like such a good place to be.

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    1. Re:What do you mean why? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      It all seems to boil down to getting people to stay pacified by moving picture boxes so we don't care about anything else.

      Fahrenheit 451?

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    2. Re:What do you mean why? by Nataku564 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Try some of the indie games that were posted here from GameTunnel's Best of 2006. Games made by gamers, and it shows. Oasis and Democracy are awesome - I have purchased both.

  4. I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gamers are people who enjoy a particular activity, which is immensely fun and enjoyable, improves their hand-eye coordination, exercises their problem-solving skills, and lets them get away from the tedium of the real world for a while. IT'S JUST ENTERTAINMENT.

    Before you convince me that gamers are "addicts", you'll have to demonstrate how gaming is worse or more evil than the couch-potato TV watching most of the rest of the population does for five hours a day. You'll also have to constrast gaming with ALL of the other hobbies people have engaged in over the past thousand years or so. Hobbies like fly fishing (mentioned in the article), model ship and plane building, wood carving, playing a musical instrument, and studying history.

    Because THE TRUTH IS, human beings (and almost all other animals with any intelligence, like apes and large monkeys) enjoy spending their leisure time in imaginative, playful activities. We just do. We don't live to work, or eat, sleep and fuck, we spend a lot of our time simply exercising our brains. AND WE'RE MEANT TO. It's our inner nature! It's WHO WE ARE. And all of us, from the dowdy housewife who collects Beanie Babies to the military buff who lusts after R. Lee Armey, to the gamer playing Halo 2 online, ALL are simply behaving properly according to our species' emotional and intellectual needs.

    The ONLY reason gaming has been singled out as "addictive" and negative in context is that the majority of our population is very closed-minded and can't wrap their mind around an activity that doesn't involve sports or television sitcoms. If you want to take the gloves off and deal with the issue honestly, that's it in a nutshell: gamers are "different and weird" and Must Be Stopped. It's the "You damn kids today!" mentality. A generation from now, we'll be pissing and moaning about some new technology and decrying IT as the end of the world.

    It's boring, people; can't we talk about something more interesting?

    P.S. YES, I know there are obsessive-compulsive people who game until their fingers bleed. But there are ALSO obsessive compulsives who engage in every other activity under the sun. It's not the gaming, it's the obsessive with a mental problem, correlation, NOT causation.

    1. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by russellh · · Score: 1

      uh, hello? tfa is about detrimental habits, the negative ones, not the positive side of gaming. So, like, chill out. I can see that you've had it up to here with people and their opinions, so I think you should ignore the issue entirely from now on.

      If you want to take the gloves off and deal with the issue honestly, that's it in a nutshell: gamers are "different and weird" and Must Be Stopped.

      Oh, ok. So that whole "video games causes aggressive and violent behavior" opinion simply boils down to: those damn kids are different and weird. FYI, in 2004, in the US alone, the video game market size was 8.2 billion in revenue. That's not the different and weird. That's the mainstream.

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    2. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by catahoula10 · · Score: 1

      In response to:
      "..animals with any intelligence,like apes and large monkeys"

      Apes and large monkeys, as well as their offspring, do not spend their "imaginative time" making a choice to murdering or not to murder a prostitute in a video game like human offspring do.

      Guess which is is the smarter spieces.



      Nuff said....



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    3. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 0

      You're all airaddicts!

    4. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Before you get all excited about the "noble great apes", you should realize that chimpanzees have been known to murder the young of other chimpanzees to ensure that their own line succeeds. As horrified as you may be by kids killing imaginary pixellated hookers in Vice City, at least they're not murdering the neighbor's kids with a rock.

      Just a thought.

    5. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      The article stated that gaming was an addiction; I'm calling bullshit on it. You're going to dare to tell me I'm not allowed to counter his opinion, in the same breath with which you try to counter mine??? Ha, ha ha... Thanks for the laugh.

      And, don't talk to me about revenue; you can't move from revenue to "mainstream", it's a non sequitur. Videogames are mainstream when old people, young people, and middle aged people all agree that gaming is normal, healthy, and fun (and not a sign that you're a loser about to freak out and shoot up the neighborhood). Guess what? It hasn't happened yet, and WON'T happen until all the baby boomers die off.

      8.2 billion dollars is nothing, anyway. Chump change, dwarfed by the television, movie, and music industries. It's a tiny little piece of a huge pie, and if you want to talk mainstream, talk television, because that's what the rubes are doing with their time.

      Videogames are a new form of entertainment that has been around for at MOST fifteen years in anything even remotely resembling its current form. You can trace the current games' lineage back to Wolfenstein and Doom, by the way, which started this whole thing in '92 or '93 -- and yes, I played them. Even if you go all the way back to primitive, bouncing pixel games, you're still only in the late seventies. Contrast this with television, which has been around since the thirties, or radio, which has had over a century. Assimilation takes time, time for old people who can't adapt to die off and make room for the rest of us.

      Deal with it.

    6. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by szundi · · Score: 1

      How good it would be, if only 5 hours a day... in Germany, the AVERAGE has passed the 8 hours... :/

    7. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself! I live to fuck ;)

    8. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by russellh · · Score: 1

      The article stated that gaming was an addiction; I'm calling bullshit on it. You're going to dare to tell me I'm not allowed to counter his opinion, in the same breath with which you try to counter mine??? Ha, ha ha... Thanks for the laugh.

      I felt you missed the whole point of his article. But obviously it makes you upset, and I think you need to think about that. Feeling defensive having your lifestyle attacked?

      Videogames are mainstream when old people, young people, and middle aged people all agree that gaming is normal, healthy, and fun (and not a sign that you're a loser about to freak out and shoot up the neighborhood).

      I think I've figured it out. If they aren't considered mainstream today, it is the first person violence and realism that is taking it out of the mainstream. If that's the case, it wasn't always like that. Atari was mainstream. Nintendo was mainstream. Arcades were mainstream in the 80s. Pinball was mainstream before it.

      If being a gamer causes you to be treated as different and weird, I think it is all in your head. Or you should move or I don't know, get out more or something. I can't recall experiencing that growing up in Ohio. Video games were the greatest thing. Then... I grew up. There are games I'd like to play, but it's not important enough to me to make the time. I think that in my life if I spent even an hour each day playing games I'd call myself addicted. Instead, I spend that time being addicted to reading political blogs and fricking slashdot.

      But seriously dude, relax. play a game or something.

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    9. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by catahoula10 · · Score: 1

      "chimpanzees have been known to murder the young of other chimpanzees to ensure that their own line succeeds."

      But they do not murder for fun as we have seen kids do on national news lately.

      "at least they're not murdering the neighbor's kids with a rock."

      No they are not.
      But they are beating homeless people to death with baseball bats as we have seen all over major national news reports. And they are taking guns to school and killing everyone in their sights. Fathers are taking their son's into the baseball field and beating up ref's during games. The list of violence i could name is huge and growing.

      Movies, games and music today are desentizing children, as well as many adults, to violence, death, and murder. Even monkeies and chimpanzees can see its is true.

      "Just a thought."

      Thanks for the tought.

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    10. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on.

      You want to debate me with a story about a little league dad who freaked out and hit the ref? You have GOT to be kidding me! What the hell does that have to do with video games (or anything else we've been discussing)??? Let alone the fact that sport-o jock types hardly play videogames at ALL, and that the "hit the ref" thing has a lot more to do with fat, middle aged guys trying to recapture their youth through their poor, doomed kids than it does with anything else...

      I feel like you're not even TRYING. I'm hurt! Really!

      The best you came up with was a lame-o urban legend about kids beating homeless guys to death with baseball bats. Even if that were true, it STILL wouldn't prove anything about video games. All it would prove is that kids can be mean little bastards. And how is this a surprise? You DO remember High School, don't you?

      Sigh... I grade that one a "D".

    11. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      I'm relaxed, I'm just debating you. It's not personal or anything.

      But my problem with YOU is, keeping in mind that it's an intellectual consideration and not an emotional one,

      1. You KNOW you're on Slashdot, which exists so we can amuse ourselves by disagreeing over whatever gets posted, and have a nice, lively debate;

      2. Instead of debating me, you try to shut me up with some cockamamie, condescending hippie talk about how I'm fed up with other people and their opinions, and in your view I should just Go Away. Of course, YOU are disagreeing with ME just like I disagreed with the OP, only you're using a condescending, rude presumption instead of an argument.

      3. In your second post, you CONTINUE your original presumptuous line of reasoning and ask me to Go Away AGAIN. Which didn't work the first time. Isn't one definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different outcomes"?

      So, really, I'm NOT mad at you, but I DO think you're a daft hippie. You need to drop the whole therapist routine and get down to the debate at hand. If you're going to post, DEBATE MY POINTS. Don't try to analyze me. That's just irritating.

    12. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      wow. I'd live to fuck, too, but I'm unfortunately bereft of one of the prerequisites, ha ha. ;)

      Wait! I meant I was missing the girl, not the, ah, um... Never mind.

    13. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      EIGHT HOURS? Wow. I mean... Wow. That's a lot of TV.

    14. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by russellh · · Score: 1

      Fine. But you have to debate too, which you haven't done. Your first reply to the article seemed like you were simply reacting to the word "addiction". But whatever. You said:

      The ONLY reason gaming has been singled out as "addictive" and negative in context is that the majority of our population is very closed-minded and can't wrap their mind around an activity that doesn't involve sports or television sitcoms. If you want to take the gloves off and deal with the issue honestly, that's it in a nutshell: gamers are "different and weird" and Must Be Stopped

      Gaming has been mainstream since the 80s. I think I have never met people like you're describing; treating gamers as "different and weird" is totally outside of my experience. Thus, I wonder how this strongly-stated opinion of yours has been formed. Debating your opinions and wondering why you have them are one and the same in this case. It's not just your point, its how forcefully you made it. It makes me think you don't know a variety of gamers, actually; does online gambling count? Online bridge? chess? the sims? Fantasy football? Solitare/minesweeper? Gaming cuts across the entire social strata from 4-year-olds to gramma. Almost everyone plays games.

      Now, to whatever degree this "gamers Must Be Stopped" thing is real, it is obviously not about a game like minesweeper or Tetris, it's about GTA and graphic first-person violence. Right? It's the implication that such video games numb people to violence or even causes violent and aggressive behavior - as you yourself wrote. But what does that have to do with addiction? Isn't addiction a behavior you can't stop that disrupts your life? If you want to argue about Everquest addiction, that's one thing totally separate from blaming GTA for violent behavior in real life. There is actual controversy over violence in video games. But I don't see the anti-video game thing in general, at at all, in any way shape or form, that you seem to.

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    15. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what I was looking for. Thanks for some conversation!

      I wasn't really getting into the reactions people have to violent games, I think that's a separate issue and a more complicated one to boot. Another poster in this thread has been arguing that point with me, and it just isn't that much fun. People tend to take the position they think makes them more mature or reasonable, and you're arguing with a role, not a person, so it kind of kills the joy for me.

      What I'm really trying to touch on here is that many people DO see games and gamers as different and weird, and they tend to assume there's something about games that places them way down under TV in the general status pecking order. If you haven't had to put up with this, you've been pretty lucky. Where I live (Albany, NY) most of the people I meet on the job are very staid and square. Government workers, you know? They look at video games as a silly thing children do, but which isn't suitable for grownups. In my old agency, there were only two other guys my age who were into games, plus two college-age interns. Everybody else considered my interest in gaming (more Halo 2 than GTA) an eccentricity at best, a big, red "L" for "Loser" on my forehead at worst. Also, try and find a woman in her thirties who will even admit she tolerates games, much less plays them on purpose -- you won't find any around here.

      They also hate science fiction, anime, graphic novels, etc -- all the stuff I like. It's a solitary life.

      In my new agency, there's one single person who is into the same things as me. One. But luckily, my new coworkers have much better attitudes. They just think I'm eccentric, not a loser, and find my peccadilloes interesting rather than offputting.

      Now, aside from having to live in a place where there is nearly NOBODY around who is interested in the same things as me, and where I do catch some serious abuse simply for enjoying videogames (although not really since switching agencies), I do seem to see more and more articles on the web attacking gaming as an unhealthy activity that leads to addiction. And I do see more and more articles humorously describing gamers as crazed otaku. This is an irritating trend for me.

      Although I'm definitely a gamer, I'm also definitely not addicted to anything. I game a few hours here and there, nothing big, I have a great time trying out some new world, solving puzzles, etc -- and when I'm done, I move on to other activities. Now and then, a big blockbuster game will come out, and I'll spend a couple dozen hours beating it (I don't miss work, or anything, but I stay up late). That's about it.

      Any objective observer who was to meet me would consider me almost entirely normal -- so normal I'm boring. Aside from an interest in gaming, graphic novels, anime, and science fiction, I don't do anything alarming or strange. I don't drink (much), I never do drugs, I stay so far out of trouble I'm practically not even HERE in Albany, and in general, I'm a pillar of the community. Nice car, nice clothes, you name it.

      If gaming doesn't have at least something of a bad rep, why is it that my whole appearance and impression goes right out the window the minute someone finds out I have an XBox? Suddenly I'm a dork in their eyes. How does that happen, exactly? And how is it rational or fair?

      So, yeah, I don't think gaming has hit the mainstream yet -- at least not as far as I can see. Maybe where you live things are a little more fun.

    16. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by catahoula10 · · Score: 1

      "You want to debate me with a story about a little league dad who freaked out and hit the ref? You have GOT to be kidding me!"

      No,i'm not kidding you! But i do want to debate you that violence in games, movies and in the media contributates to the rise in violence we see today. If i am wrong, then explane what you think is the reason for this rise in violence.

      "The best you came up with was a lame-o urban legend about kids beating homeless guys to death with baseball bats."

      This was no legend. It was on all the national news networks withing the last few days. Video's were shown and everything. Next you will tell me that George Washington was just an urban legend!

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    17. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Ok... Since you're serious...

      I don't believe there has been ANY change in violence levels in our society. I simply believe that the media has gotten so expanded in its scope that it NOTICES violence much more than it used to. And what the media notices, we notice.

      If you really want to know how "violence" has changed over the years, look up the murder rates for major cities. You'll notice that they've been dropping in most localities every year.

      Violence hasn't increased; our notice of it has.

    18. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      BY THE WAY: Here's a link. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

      You'll notice the murder rate peaked in 1980, with some other highs in the 1970's, and is currently at about half the peak rate.

      You'll ALSO notice that the peak years for homicide in this country were years in which there WERE NO REALISTIC VIDEO GAMES AVAILABLE.

      Please explain how this affects your theories. :)

    19. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by catahoula10 · · Score: 1



      "Please explain how this affects your theories. :)

      Do you actually believe the crap at that link? You seemed smarter in your postings.

      If crime was not on a major rise in this country, then explane why we had bills passed in congress (during the clinton Administration, a 30 billion dollar 1994 crime bill)
      See http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-mr-3.html) that increased law enforcement budgets across this country in astronomical amounts?(because people were afraid, thats why)

      And why did almost every major police force across America go to a "no-tollerance" stance? (because people were afraid, thats why. Do a google on "no-tolerance + law enforcement")

      And why do we have a trillion dollar budget to deal with drug enforcement?(because kids are unsupervised after school and latter become adult offenders. And, what does that do?? --Come-on...You should know by now... It makes people afraid, thats what it does.)
      See http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=4503555

      And finally,..Why have most prisons been privatized?(its a multi-billion dollar industry today because the government could no longer justify the expense of building more prisons and still please the --afraid-- people-- by not raising taxes.) http://nicic.org/Library/017518

      Movies, Video games and the Mass Media are partly responsible for this mess. I do not recall there being an such an urgency to respond to crime in America when Ms.Pac-Man was the video game of choice or when the best movie around was Star Wars. But dont ask me,
      Ask any qualified and truly concerned psychologist.

      BY THE WAY,
      Please explain how this affects your link :)

      Or is your link just more of the PoP-Media's propaganda and bullshit that we have become so use to in America today?



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    20. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Oh, man, you've got it bad.

      Look, see, there's this thing called PROPAGANDA.

      So the government wants to expand its powers. Less of those nasty "rights" to get in their way when they want to pinch someone, for example, or maybe ridiculously long prison sentences for some poor schmuck who got caught with a pot cigarette. Whatever. Those in power want more of it. Now, how do they con the rest of us into letting them have more power?

      Simple. First, they put a scare into rubes like you. OH MY GOD, they yell, POTHEADS ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN AND DO IT TO YOUR WIFE if you don't help us pass this here bill that allows civil forfeiture of property, etc, etc. And guys like you don't even apply reason to the conversation. You just bend over for The Man. In fact, you're so brainwashed you probably write your congressman ASKING him to curtail your civil rights.

      And no matter WHAT they do or how far they go, your brainwashing is so complete that you feel frightened in your suburban, completely safe neighborhood. You think, at any moment a mob of crackheads and satanists could come crashing through the door and kill you! So you join the NRA and buy a huge arsenal of guns, collect knives, etc. All to ward off the imaginary crackheads who aren't knocking down your door. And nothing you do makes you feel safe, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO CREDIBLE THREAT TO YOU.

      The sad part of this is, you really believe your paranoiac fantasies. Dubya LOVES guys like you. I bet you're not even bothered that the NSA has been spying on Americans for the past four years, without any legal right to. I bet "Extraordinary Rendition" is A-OK in your book. I bet you think that torture is just fine, because they only apply it to "those people", right?

      People like you mystify me. You really do. How can you be so gullible, so easily brainwashed? Don't you understand you're just being used? Manipulated?

      Sigh... Of course you don't.

      Well, I don't have any hopes of snapping you out of it, so just for the hell of it, here are some more links with crime statistics. Of course, they don't agree with your delusions, so you'll yell about how they're just "liberal propaganda" or spout some other silly crypto-fascist bullshit like that.

      Here goes:

      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
      http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/tost_3.html#3_x
      http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t3117.pdf
      http://crime.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1 /XJ&sdn=crime&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojp.usdoj.gov%2F bjs%2Fhomicide%2Fhmrt.htm
      http://crime.about.com/od/stats/a/ucr2003.htm
      http://crime.about.com/od/stats/a/fbi041214.htm

      Now, go ahead and try to prove that the University of Albany is a liberal propaganda thinktank. I dare you. We could all use a laugh.

    21. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by catahoula10 · · Score: 1

      Tsk..Tsk...
      Ok, to prove my point, i will use one of your own links.(though i could have used something from all of them)

      From:
      "United States Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants" http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

      In 1960 there were 60.1 robberies Per 100,000 Inhabitants
      In 2004 there were 136.7 robberies Per 100,000 Inhabitants which is more then double. Which is down from a few years before that but the amount per 100,000 Inhabitants has steadily increased when you look at the entire time line.

      So sure, the pop-media can say crime is down from last year when you compare 2004 to the last few years. And, while this may give you and some others a warm fuzzy feeling that crime is under control, smart people who know better.

      Now, when you compare crime today to what it was 20 or more years ago, the overall trend is up, and it is up in all catagories, even though crime has been decresing somewhat since around 1996.

      So, why is this overall trend up? We have been discussing one of the reasons. Kids today are being desensitized to crime, death, murder, robbery and to each other. How? One reason is a bombardment of violence and sex in movies, on television and in games.

      It is concerning how many people cannot make this correlation.

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    22. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      So, you counter my point that violent crime has dropped by half with a rambling about NON-VIOLENT crime, then re-iterate your assertion that violent crime is on the rise?

      You, sir, are a ding-bat. Congradulations. You're the first person I've met recently who has earned that very silly, old-fashioned title.

    23. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by russellh · · Score: 1

      I wasn't really getting into the reactions people have to violent games, I think that's a separate issue and a more complicated one to boot.

      It is, though I imagine it colors perception ever since the hype about Eric Harris making Doom II levels. let's leave it though

      Where I live (Albany, NY) most of the people I meet on the job are very staid and square. Government workers, you know? They look at video games as a silly thing children do, but which isn't suitable for grownups.

      Ok, I hear you on this one. I work in software though, where it's rather normal. I think it is both a geek thing and also a generational thing. While my neighboors are all mostly golf and cars "adults", I do know at least one old programmer who just never got into email (let alone those internets). There's something here I can't quite put my finger on; while technically I'm all grown up, pretty much, being married with kids, I just don't see myself that way - not in the way my neighboors and other non-geeks seem to. Most of them are about ten years older with kids in their teens, and I have had that conversation - the kids' xboxes and their strange internet ways (what is this about online chat?). Everyone I know in their thirties is pretty much where I am: we were twenties in the mid 90s for the internet revolution. and we grew up with atari, commodore and the apple //. There is a certain playfulness that is missing in a lot of (most?) non-geeks I know -- especially, of course, the older ones. I think being a "grown up" is changing.

      Those are my thoughts. I see what you're saying about perceptions among the mundanes about gaming and geek habits. But again, I honestly can't say I have experienced it much. Don't your coworkers kill time in waiting rooms or whatever playing cell/pda games? Or solitaire on the pc when nobody is watching? no online gambling? not even fantasy football/golf etc.? brickout on their iPod? No palms or pocket pcs? I'd be surprised.

      I think you should just take the theme and run with it. get one of those space invader floor mats for the office.

      well, good luck

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    24. Re:I don't believe gamers are "addicts". by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      "Don't your coworkers kill time in waiting rooms or whatever playing cell/pda games? Or solitaire on the pc when nobody is watching? no online gambling? not even fantasy football/golf etc.? brickout on their iPod? No palms or pocket pcs? I'd be surprised."

      Heh... I KNEW you were in a more modern environment! The fact that you take such things as normal proves that you're in a pretty good spot.

      In my last job, very few people even OWNED a PDA, much less were good enough with one to install and play a game on it. Lots of people here don't even have their own computers outside of work, which boggles the mind -- these people are supposed to be programmers and sysadmins! How can they not own a PC??? It's completely astonishing. Then there are the guys who are SO CLOSE to being into it, but who can't let go of the "it's a TOOL, not a TOY, damnit!" mentality. These are the guys who go out and buy a top-of-the-line PC, and then install nothing but Oracle and .Net on it, so they can work at home. Uuuuhhhhhhhhgh. SO depressing.

      Down in New York City, there are a lot more people like you describe, but in my line of work the money (and the job security) is up here in the Capital District. Unfortunately, it's a social dead zone for geeks, like a big tar pit of boring. Ah, well...

      Listen, it's been pretty cool chatting with you. I'm glad to have made your acquaintance. :)

  5. final fantasy... by rlbond86 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Final Fantasy games are hardly like each other.

    1. Re:final fantasy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To reiterate the parent, I have to say, Final Fantasy's varying repeats are of debatable quality (A lot of people don't like X-2, but some, like myself, do), but none of them are overly similar. They all bring something new and interesting, and they all have vastly different settings/stories. You might be able to draw comparisons between the characters, but for the most part, each is unique. FF-X has a story about religious upheaval, FF7 is about a huge monopolizing company that's going to destroy the world, and 1 is characters-chase-evil-villain story (for the most part). They're all interesting stories. It isn't like Madden where they're all rehashes of the earlier year. If SS wanted to, they could name all of the final fantasies completely different things and no one would notice the similarities beyond moogles and chocobos.

    2. Re:final fantasy... by neostorm · · Score: 1

      Yeah I thought it was strange they mentioned that series as well. I think Final Fantasy gets a lot of strife because it's just another long-running series in this medium. I'm not as big a fan of it as I used to be, (specifically because of the drastic changes in it) but I do give Square credit for reinventing the series and it's accompanying game mechanics with every iteration.
      I can't think of another company that has had the guts to do that. Most other studios would see that as a massive risk not worth taking.

    3. Re:final fantasy... by Chabo · · Score: 1
      I disagree, especially after reading an article by the creator of 8-bit theater. Here's an excerpt:
      Now some of you are probably saying "Oh Brian, you're just stupid because you are so obviously biased against 3D games!!!!!!11" Nope. For instance, here's a quote from Craig, an avid FF7 and 8 fan who e-mailed me about the FF series. In fact, our correspondence became the basis of this very essay. Craig says, "Indeed. FF6 was so bright and shiny and expansive and pretty compared to FF4 that nobody really realized that they were playing the same game in a lot of respects. Now, of course, many people have twigged to it. Ever since FF4 or 5, combat and interaction in FF has sort of been in a lull; whereas other series try to shake things up a bit (like Xenogears or Vagrant Story), FF seems content with same-old same-old gameplay. that is the problem." I'm inclined to agree with him. If a fan of those games can speak out against them using the same sorts of criticisms I am, then I'm not very biased. Also, I love MGS and the entire Mega Man Legends (MML) series specifically because of their 3D elements. It's games that apply 3D graphics for no other reason than to look pretty that I'm biased against. I know a lot of people enjoyed FF7/8/9. Good for you. If you can enjoy them despite the fact that they use 3D graphics for no real reason, then more power to you. Have fun. Seriously, don't let me and my opinions stand in the way. Playing games you enjoy is a blast, that's why we do it. Personally, I can't stand the recent FFs. Maybe I'm harder to please, maybe I expect more from my games. All I know is that when I play those games, all I see is what the developers didn't do; what the developers didn't try at the expense of making a pretty looking game. Am I being unfair? Maybe. But considering there are games out there that do push the envelope of storytelling in video games, I think it's fair to point out when a company that's supposed to be on the cutting edge isn't.
      It was originally posted on his site, but the link is broken, so here's a repost by someone who saved it.
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    4. Re:final fantasy... by goodenoughnickname · · Score: 1

      Agreed. They used to be good.

  6. Yeah by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 1
    "Why else would we routinely drop $50 on the latest iteration of games like Madden, Final Fantasy and Unreal Tournament ... Why do we continue to spend upwards of $300 on the newest 'next generation' console?"

    Why do we even get out of bed in the morning? Why do we do anything at all? I mean, life is basically pointless, right?

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    1. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we even get out of bed in the morning? Why do we do anything at all? I mean, life is basically pointless, right?

      Right.

    2. Re:Yeah by James_Aguilar · · Score: 1

      All depends on what you believe in.

  7. We don't by dascandy · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Why else would we routinely drop $50 on the latest iteration of games like Madden, Final Fantasy and Unreal Tournament

    We don't. We're still trying to find the amulet of Yendor, you insensitive clod.

    1. Re:We don't by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1
      I just bought Star Wars: Battlefront, but now I'm going to have to go and reinstall Nethack because of you.

      Thanks a lot, bub!

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    2. Re:We don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >We don't. We're still trying to find the amulet of Yendor, you insensitive clod.

      Did you check down the back of the sofa?

  8. Why by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do people shell out $50 for a bottle of wine that they consume over the course of a couple of hours and then it's gone forever?

    And somebody shells out $50 for the next version of Unreal Tournament because they enjoy the added features (like vehicles in Onslaught) which they get to enjoy for countless hours over the course of years, and some fool on the internet with an opinion takes offence? Why, oh why won't somebody think of the children!

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    1. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll think about my children with the back of my hand... after I empty that bottle!

  9. It's just a flight from reality by tsa · · Score: 1

    posing gaming addiction as a symptom of a larger problem

    I know that all the entertainment I look for is to get away from the real world as far as possible. I mean, some people like to read travel stories or trade stock un their spare time. I like to play adventure games like Myst or The Longest Journey, and I like Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. I think I have a "larger problem." This world is just not interesting enough for me, or maybe so scary that I want to get away. What I mean to say is that to me it seems very likely that some people can develop a game addiction just like other people start drinking or using drugs.

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  10. Yeah games are so expensive and dangerous by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When I was a little kid an uncle used to collect miniature trains. Do you know what these tiny pieces of cast iron a bit of plastic and a crap electric motor go for? AMD/Intel would be ashamed.

    A co-worker bought a new boat. Or rather bought a not so new boat that he spend the entire summer stripping and painting. Super healthy stuff that standing in a shed sanding of marine paint and applying it in one of the warmest summers we have had in holland.

    A friend likes to dive. In water with sharks. He spends all year saving up for a long holiday submerging his body exposing it to pressures it is not designed for breathing air under pressure surrounded by critters that think "Yummy, a hairless seal".

    As for the people who party hardy shooting themselves full of drugs to dance throughout the weekend. Wohoo! Cheap chemicals, sign me up.

    Oh and what to think of that image next to the article. That ever sane person who takes up fishing as a hobby. Standing with your balls in freezing water with a 1000 dollar carbon fibre rod to get a diseased posion laden half death fish. If your lucky.

    Nah, gamers are the sane one. I have had this conversation more then once "Boss: You spend your christmas bonus on a vidcard?" "Me: yes thank you should last me all year." "Boss: insane Oh, you seen the new rubbers for the windows on my classic porche" "Me: yeah".

    Life is short, enjoy it anyway you can. If it is gaming, well who cares how much it costs, is not like you have a girl to waste it on.

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  11. duh by The+NPS · · Score: 1

    Of course video games are a form of escape. I don't sit at home and play video games all day when I'm happy with who I am and life is going swell. It's no different than all the other forms of escape that people bury themselves in ... gambling, porn, prostitutes, TV, movies, books (although books tend be engaging, there's a lot of trashy literature out there. For me, mass-video game playing is like the last resort. I'm unhappy, I'm anxious, etc, so I video game it up. If I'm happy, if I'm doing well, there's no time for mass-video-gaming ... I'm too busy with work or friends or relationships. Video games become a harmless 20-30 minute a day hobby.

    1. Re:duh by Xeirxes · · Score: 1

      You can find an escape in ANYTHING. My mother, when she is stressed, will clean the house and get very involved in it. It's a natural human reflex, to release tension and anxiety. The fact that some humans release it through less physically active means does not necessarily indicate that this is a waste of time. In fact, it may be LESS of a waste of time to release stress by completing challenging game puzzles, or hone your reflexes on that first-person shooter, than it would be to release stress by lifting weights; especially with the skills required in today's work.

    2. Re:duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can find an escape in ANYTHING. My mother

      Indeed.

    3. Re:duh by paulsgre · · Score: 1

      Atheistic Amen to that, brother.

      I love videogames. But the fact is that when i'm happy and fulfilled, I just don't have the time to play them, and don't exactly miss them either. Case in point, I'm at a particularly low point these past couple months, and since Dec. I've blown through Prince of Persia 3, Jade Empire, Psychonauts, Baldur;s Gate, the latest Splinter Cell, countless hours of Halo 2, and a few others. That's a lot of hours. While I enjoyed it, i know i wouldn't be doing it if i was out and about getting on with things.

  12. Because the old game's servers go down by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why else would we routinely drop $50 on the latest iteration of games like Madden, Final Fantasy and Unreal Tournament - games that are, usually at their core, just like their predecessors?

    Once the publisher pulls the plug on the official online matchmaking server for Madden 200x - 1 or Unreal Tournament 200x - 1, people are forced to upgrade. Case in point: Sony and Harmonix shut down the online portion of Frequency to migrate players to Amplitude.

    Why do we continue to spend upwards of $300 on the newest 'next generation' console?

    Once Microsoft bans all original Xbox consoles from Xbox Live to make more space on the servers for the increased storage demands of Xbox 360 consoles, people are forced to upgrade.

    1. Re:Because the old game's servers go down by damsa · · Score: 1

      Even if game servers let you play Madden 200x - 1. People like to play current players in a sports game.

  13. Oasis? by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

    I purchased it too. I wouldn't call it a completely disappointing purchase, but I wouldn't call it awesome either. Why do you think it's awesome?

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  14. Zonk Missed the Point by Doomstalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, time to come clean: first off, the author of the article is my older brother; secondly, I edited the piece for him before he submitted it for publication. As such, I've read the article many times- enough to see that Zonk missed the point entirely when he selected a quote. Yes, the article posits that gamers are usually addicted to their hobby, and as such willing to sometimes do some extreme things- much like devotees of other amusements. But that's far from the main thrust of the article.

    The point is that, when he let his gaming habits get out of hand, my brother didn't do it because it was fun, so much as it was better than what he was supposed to be doing. Instead of investigating <i>why</i> games are so addictive for some of us, he argues that a severe addiction can be a proverbial dead canary for your normal life. He wasn't doing something he really enjoyed, so he escaped into games instead (it didn't help that there were six PCs, two Playstations, two Saturns, an N64, an SNES, and six people in a space smaller than your average living room- but that's beside the point). Much like I said, his gaming was a symptom of a larger problem, rather than a problem unto itself. His tale is meant to serve as a warning: if you're spending too much time on your hobby, take a look at your life- you may find something in dire need of fixing.

  15. I'm not addicted by nevergleam · · Score: 1

    I swear.

    I can stop playing video games whenever I want. I just don't want to...