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Apple Sends Hidden Message to Hackers?

RetrogradeMotion writes "The OSx86 Project is reporting on a hidden message to hackers in Apple's new MacBook Pro. The new Intel-based OS X contains a file named 'Dont Steal Mac OS X.kext' and is accompanied by the message, 'The purpose of this Apple software is to protect Apple copyrighted materials from unauthorized copying and use.' The file is not present in either the PowerPC version of OS X or the Intel version shipped to developers last year. While Apple has sent messages to hackers before, is this a tounge-in-cheek introduction to the anticipated (and hated) Trusted Platform Module? Is locking down OS X a strategic necessity or a missed opportunity?" Obviously a big maybe here, but a good story just the same.

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  1. Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by Diordna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think about it. One of the reasons Windows can be so annoying is that there are a bazillion different configurations. Apple can keep OS X running smoothly because they know exactly what's inside their machines. Once it gets put on a Dell, some idiot's going to complain about how buggy OS X is because it doesn't run on his own personal cobbled-together POS.

    1. Re:Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Freedoms are not things that are granted by governments. If I need to explain this to you then you're beyond help.

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    2. Re:Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rights are not granted by governments either! Some rights are guarenteed by the US constitution as a measure to prevent the states from enacting laws which violate those rights, but that does not mean that the citizens of the US have no other rights than those listed in the Bill of Rights. Quite the opposite.

      What's in it for Apple to allow other hardware companies to sell OS X?

      Who cares? What's in it for us to allow Apple the power to control what we can and can't do with OS X? If Apple wants to sell a product then they need someone to sell it to and as long as software consumers continue to accept these "no rights but those we allow" stance currently offered by Apple and other software companies they will continue to make money. So I say, why stand for it?

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    3. Re:Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine a world where food can be made in an inexpensive solar powered replicator but people still starve because the software used by these devices is "protected" by copyright and DRM. That's the argument for "Intellectual Property". If you're for IP then you're for the complete control over a work by the owner of that work. If that's not your position, if you can imagine just one situation where the owner of the work should not have complete control over that work then, please, don't use the term. The decisions we make now about infinitely reproducable software will determine what is acceptable to our children's children when everything is infinitely reproducable. Already the idea that officials should have the right to invade our homes to ensure we are abiding by licensing agreements is considered reasonable to most people.

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    4. Re:Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Imagine a world where food can be made in an inexpensive solar powered replicator but people still starve because the software used by these devices is "protected" by copyright and DRM. That's the argument for "Intellectual Property"."

      That's a textbook definition of a straw man argument. Nobody who wants the right to make money off of their ideas also wants people to starve. Shame on you for even implying that.

      "If you're for IP then you're for the complete control over a work by the owner of that work.

      And when George Bush and his ilk use the "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists," line, it's obvious bullshit, too.

      If you want to save some money by buying a cheap Intel PC at Wal-Mart and installing OSX on it rather than paying Apple's high margins, then groovy -- go for it, if that's what you want to do. This makes you a careful consumer, not some crusader for human rights. If you'd rather keep the money for yourself, than give it to some purveyor of computing hardware or operating system software or record company or film studio, and this fits with your moral compass, then you're simply looking out for your own bottom line. It's saving a few bucks, not the Montomery Freedom March.

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    5. Re:Of course they want to keep it offa non-Macs! by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're for IP then you're for the complete control over a work by the owner of that work.

      And if you're for "normal" property, then you're for the complete control over a physical item by the owner of that item. To follow on your example, if someone is having a heart attack and theirs friends ask if they can use your car to drive him to the closest hospital, obviously you'll just have to say "uh, no, that's MY car, that's MY petrol, I paid for it, get lost". Cos you see, obviously that's what "property" means. If you don't feel that way then obviously you don't support property, so stop using the term !

      </sarcasm>

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  2. Re:Can't Apple be forced to release OS X for all x by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except in that case there was some unfair monopoly issues involved.

    In apples case, the market share is far to small to be even considered for that.. So they can bundle as much as they want.

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  3. Idiotic comment about unbundling software by hellfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recall a company in the past that wouldn't sell you their software unless you purchased their hardrware. They were taken to court and forced to unbundle the OS from the Hardware since the OS was capable for running on other hardware. I can't recall the company name off hand but I feel someone will to do the same to Apple.

    People who don't understand monopoly law should have their fingers hacked off so they don't post such stupid comments.

    Look, I know some people like to bash Apple because they tie the OS to the hardware. Bash away on that argument I don't care, on several levels you are right. But your not so subtle implication is that somehow Apple's situation is the same as Microsoft's is a fundamental lack of brain matter for anyone who's posted on slashdot.

    Apple is NOT a monopoly, Microsoft IS a monopoly. The first step to understanding monopolies is quite simply that the rules change once you are a monopoly. Monopolies wield incredible power and pervert the forces of a free market into something that is definitely not a free market. Everyone argument ever made that is anti-Microsoft is based on this premise. Bassed on that, Microsoft's actions are typically illegal, while Apple's actions at worst are quite simply immoral. It doesn't make them any less annoying, but under law they aren't illegal, because market forces have the opportunity to break that bundling package if someone with a better business model (that's not illegal) comes along.

    Go back to the shallow end of the gene pool where you belong. John Dvorak has a seat next to him waiting for you.

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    1. Re:Idiotic comment about unbundling software by dotgain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Come on mods. My point is: What dictionary.com define monopoly as has nothing to do with what a monopoly is legally defined as.

  4. At this point... by greyrose111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's an absolute necessity to lock down OS X from PC use. Apple has, after a series of costly mistakes (i.e. believing that a major corporation like IBM would actually spend money to actively develop a chip that has less that 4% market share) backed themselves into a corner when it comes to software and hardware development. Not to say they aren't good at either of those, but they now serve a very focused and very concentrated user base, consisting mainly of schools and, of course, artists of every kind. The cost is that to continue making the products they do, they must charge a relative premium.
            And if their (excellent) software were suddenly available for the $350 dollar PC you bought from dell (don't tell me no one in their right mind would dare put the holy OS X on a dell... there are enough people not in their right mind to make that common practice) their computer market would be cut in half because frankly; every school, business and especially those poor ass artists, would love to run a safer and more creative friendly platform on a cheaper computer.
            Now, maybe they could make more money if they just dropped computer development completely, but I think someone over at Apple believes that they can start to take some more serious market share back... and with the Intel Macs, it looks as though they can.

  5. Re:why bother by Senjutsu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the Doom 3 Effect -- Millions of people bittorrented the game 3 days before it hit retail shelves, and then felt like they had to justify the reason they didn't want to pay for it. So the overwhelming reaction was negative. Meanwhile, Half-Life 2 was DRM delivered to paying customers, who of course had a overwhelmingly positive reaction.

    Yes, that's a much more rational and likely explanation for the opinions on those two games than the fact that Half-Life 2 was good game and that Doom III was a pretty tech demo with shit game-play.

  6. Re:revenge of the clones by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That's nice. Apple was bleeding money before the clones were cancelled. It is not in Apple's best interest to do the clone thing. They loose the hardware margins and gain a huge amount of support costs. Apple had to support all of those Clone users for "free".

    MSFT is in a different position. They have the OEMs by the balls but do not actually make any hardware themselves.

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  7. Re:Logical Thought: Apple & Hardware Profits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple could morph into a pure software house specializing in multimedia OSes

    And instantly be crushed by Microsoft.

  8. Re:Can't Apple be forced to release OS X for all x by ThaFooz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't Apple be forced to release OS X for all x86?

    It would be nice to be able to run OSX on the desktop without buying new hardware, I've been quite happy with it on the laptop. But I fear that supporting the near-infinite number of configurations would introduce stability problems and slow Apple's rate of development... which is a big reason that its attractive in the first place.

    Honestly, the only reason I'd want to run OSX on generic x86 is simply because I don't like ANY of Apple's desktop setups. The Mac Mini is underpowered with a G4 and 64 meg video card, I don't like the concept of married Computers/Displays a la iMac, and the PowerMac is kind of overkill for my purposes. I mean, am I really the only one that wants (one) reasonable CPU & a nice (upgradable) video card of occasional gaming in a seperate tower so that I can upgrade thie display seperatley and use the machine as a server when its outlived its usefullness as a desktop?

  9. Re:Logical Thought: Apple & Hardware Profits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A huge portion of what makes the Mac OS X so valuable is the user experience that goes with it. A decent portion of the user experience lies in the hardware integration, and in the quality of the hardware on which it runs. If I had OS X running on my previous laptop (Toshiba Satellite 3000-something, I think), for instance... It was a great laptop, but the hardware is just not the same caliber as that which Apple sells. More importantly, OS X is not DESIGNED for the Toshiba Satellite line, nor is the Satellite designed for OS X. Apple has no control over the environment in which the system is running and therefore opens their system up to decreased responsiveness or even stability, as the case may be.

    Excellent software on shoddy hardware still makes for a poor user experience.

  10. Hackers are irrelevant by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple management will fail in its attempts to thwart the hackers.

    The hackers and a handful of tech savy users that want OS X on generic hardware are irrelevant. All Apple needs to do is prevent someone with the skills of an average user from being able to get Mac OS X working reliably on generic hardware. The generic PCs running Mac OS X will be novelties, more conversation pieces than serious work environments. There will not be a robust set of drivers, merely what ships on geniune Apple hardware. Apple can break the hack used to get it to work every system software update. It will be a somewhat unreliable machine, unavailable for days at a time while hackers reverse engineer and workaround the latest software update. Will they do so, sure, but it will be irrelevant to mainstream users.

  11. Re:why bother by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You just don't get it, do you?
    Apple aren't selling you an OS that will potentially run on a PC.
    They are selling you a turn-key solution. They are selling you something that works out-of-the-box.
    They are selling you the end-user experience.

    A Mac is not a Mac because of the chips inside it, a Mac is the whole shebang - the _quality_ of the hardware, the integration of the software, the whole user experience.

    There is no way known it will be as simple as entering a serial number to run it on your whitebox PC. This just ain't gonna happen. Apple aren't at all interested in supporting your BogoComm WinModem and your SuperWin ATA to PS/2 bridge adapter. They support OS X on a known hardware base platform and it makes everyone's life easier. Apple are happy as they have a known target to develop for. Users are happy because they know it will Just Work (tm) and Techs/Developers are happy because it's easier to support a known configuration.

    If you're likely to become irate that you can't install OS X on your PC then you're not the target market for Apple's product anyway.

  12. Hostile, hostile, hostile by jpardey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The grandfather post said nothing about monopolies, just binding software to specific hardware. Two different things. It seems to me that the point was that if you buy a piece of software, you buy a right to run it on whatever you want. Hence, emulators are not illegal, but roms are.

    Perhaps you should read a post before posting a hysterical comeback with eugenic overtones. I'll go play in the shallow end, you and ESR can do what you please in the patio section.

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  13. Re:Logical Thought: Apple & Hardware Profits by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the rest of the story. The hardware that goes into personal computers built by Dell, Lenovo, etc. is dirt cheap, and the profit margins are ultra-thin. Meanwhile the x86 Macs command a price premium because Apple builds them. If everyone could run the new Mac OS on an regular PC, who would want to buy the x86 Macs?

    But the real story is the one that nobody seems to notice, for the last 15 years Microsoft has made all the profits that the computer resellers should have been making. Their large bulk is entirely made up of the razor-thin margins everybody else accepts for them. Bill Gates brags about brining the PC "ecosystem" to the world, cheap commodity computers that you can throw together and whip out of almost anything. What he doesn't mention is that he planned the whole thing back when Microsoft first sold DOS to IBM... we'll profit from everybody else's hard work. Everytime you see a hardware manufacturer go out of business, it's just a few hundred million MS got instead of them. The world was suckered in by them, if we had kept the old model of different companies making different operating systems the world could have been much nicer these days and the internet would definitely be more standardized. Imagine if MS hadn't killed BE... instead of Intel and MS ruling the desktop market for so long and forcing single threaded high-Megahurtz toaster oven computers on the world, we could have had BeOS 7 systems with Quad PPC chips with 4 cores on each by now. Imagine if Amiga could have stayed profitable... this whole stupid soap-opera episode of D'oh! Finally making the Pentium M could have been avoided. There's be a lot more nice OS' out there and some great hardware choices but... commodity won, and so did Bill. I really hope Apple can get people to think about quality once again.

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  14. Re:Needs a Coral link... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This message is in a kernel extension (kext). I don't think this is a "hidden" message so much as it might be a kernel message that displays when OS X doesn't detect its own Apple hardware. When people start hacking OS X to run on generic PCs, I wonder if this message is what will display somewhere on bootup.

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  15. Why not run Linux on that Intel Mac? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The TPM is used only to make sure it's OK to run OSX on that box...

    Apple has publically stated they do not care if you run anything else (like Windows or Linux) on an Apple Intel box.

    TPM you see, is a tool. And like any tool it can be used for good or for ill. Now while it's an open question of weather you having to work around it to run OS X on a non-Apple Intel box is for good or ill, it's certainly less annoying than if Apple had used TPM to lock the box down so that ONLY OS X could run on it.

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