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Galaxies Floating on a Dark Matter Stream

Darkman, Walkin Dude writes "A team in Switzerland has discovered that most of the small satellite galaxies around the Milky Way's near-twin, Andromeda, are lined up in a single plane that slices through Andromeda's spiral disc. Using images from the Hubble space telescope, soon to be decommissioned, the researchers found that 9 of the 14 of Andromeda's satellites lay on a relatively narrow plane bisecting Andromeda. From the article: 'The team believes the plane could have formed in several ways. In one scenario, the galaxies may have fallen towards Andromeda along an invisible filament of dark matter. Computer simulations show these filaments can form a cosmic web along which galaxies flow.'"

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  1. Sombrero Galaxies and You by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    These are called Sombrero Galaxies. I believe M 104 is the most famous since it was first noticed on May 11th, 1781.

    Does dark matter hold our universe together in a web? Perhaps, though this would mean that there is no such thing as truly empty space as a small amount of dark matter would have to exist. Perhaps what lays beneath the edges of our universe is nothing in the sense of it being devoid of dark matter?

    Check this out:
    Consider this fact: In the air we breathe, each cubic centimeter contains roughly 5 X 1019 atoms. In contrast, the intergalactic medium has a density of only 10-6 particles per cubic centimeter--each atom inhabits a private box a meter on each side. This would seem to suggest that there is not much matter in the intergalactic medium. But, given the enormous volume between the galaxies, it quickly adds up: The combined atomic mass of intergalactic gas exceeds the combined atomic mass of all the stars and galaxies in the universe--possibly by as much as 50 percent! There is indeed something in empty space
    From this article.

    While this article only mentions computer simulations, many scientific groups have gone along further researching, convinced that the cosmic web does exist. Some people have based most of their work on dark matter and the cosmic web though I believe it is still speculation and has yet to be accepted by the science community as a whole. I've read some crazy stuff about dark matter, like how it might be the "gravity particle" that is attracted to matter uniformly and causes the gravitational pull between objects. And even crazier books suggesting that the only way we'll ever be able to communicate between parallel existences is by lowering and raising these gravity particles.

    Now, the slashdot community seems to be fairly educated and extremely opinionated so how about it--does dark matter exist? If so, since it is very difficult to detect, what are its defining properties?
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    1. Re:Sombrero Galaxies and You by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does dark matter hold our universe together in a web?

      I think it's more like invisible strands of spaghetti.

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    2. Re:Sombrero Galaxies and You by Kelerain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now, all we need to do is prove it's affecting evolution, and we've proven that His Noodleyness exists.

      Or is that effecting evolution?

      By the touch of His Noodly Appendage, this sentence could potentially use either affecting or effecting correctly! It truly is a miracle!

      Grammar and Spelling Nazis tremble in the face of His Noodily Might!

    3. Re:Sombrero Galaxies and You by Stalyn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Might want to do some actual research on the subject. From that list there are no articles in support of the Cooperstock-Tieu model other than a response by the orginal authors. The theoretical arguments and evidence against the model are quite convincing.

      Dark matter is just the best model we have right now. It also amazes me how much Slashdot is against the dark matter model. Why is that?

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    4. Re:Sombrero Galaxies and You by drudd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The current consensus is that the paper is fundamentally flawed, and that when done correctly non-linearities from GR cannot explain the flat rotation curves of spiral galaxies (not to mention the vast amounts of other evidence for dark matter including hot gas in galaxy clusters, fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, strong lensing arcs in clusters, weak gravitational lensing by galaxies, the distribution of galaxies on large scales, etc).

      Unfortunately, the general public only hears about the initial press release, not the work of many other scientists in debunking those results.

      Doug

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  2. ID by SoulMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    In another scenario, the Intelligent Designer put them on that specific plane just to see how long it took before somebody noticed and claimed that it must be Dark Matter.

  3. Eric Lerner by Bloater · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The team believes the plane could have formed in several ways. In one scenario, the galaxies may have fallen towards Andromeda along an invisible filament of dark matter. Computer simulations show these filaments can form a cosmic web along which galaxies flow.'


    Eric Lerner is looking less and less like a crank with every new cosmological experiment, I think this is exactly what his plasma filament theory of the intergalactic medium has been predicting.
  4. In another scenario... by Noxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    In one scenario, the galaxies may have fallen towards Andromeda along an invisible filament of dark matter.

    In another scenario, the Flying Spaghetti Monster might have used His Noodly Appendage to intelligently design it that way. Scientists speculate the arrangement makes it easier for Him to make a bank shot on the 9-ball galaxy.

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  5. Right. by balloot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who thinks this headline sounds like something some scientist completely pulled out of his ass? "Yeah...so you know dark matter? All the planets are, like, floating on it. And I am TOTALLY stoned...."

  6. Re:Hubble Space Telescope by wass · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well let's see, NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe says it will never be visited by a space shuttle repair mission again

    Um dude, O'Keefe has been gone from NASA for nine months now, your article link is almost a year old. One of the first things that the new administrator Michael Griffin did when he took over the reins was to try to figure out ways to keep Hubble alive. Griffin's an actual scientist, unlike O'Keefe who's a career-track manager. And thus sees the important of Hubble, which has been indispensible for astronomical research.

    Direct from NASA's Hubble page , it says

    "At his April, 2005 confirmation hearing before the U.S. Senate, as well as in subsequent statements, new NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin testified to the extraordinary scientific value of Hubble. He indicated his desire to take the robotic servicing mission "off the plate" on the basis of mission complexity, and reconsider an SM4 Shuttle-astronaut mission to Hubble. His rationale is that after the Shuttle's Return to Flight ("RTF", currently scheduled for July of 2005), and in particular after all the Shuttle improvements that precede RTF, NASA will essentially have a "new" Shuttle vehicle and system in the context of astronaut and mission safety. After successes in RTF and the following flight, if analysis shows that the risk levels associated with a Hubble mission are sufficiently low and manageable, SM4 could be reinstated by the Administrator."
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  7. a name for it by heatdeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they eventually find more evidence for these "dark matter streams", and start naming them, I think "the styx" would be a completely awesome name for such a stream.

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  8. Old Lady by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

    Galaxies Floating on a Dark Matter Stream

    So, the old lady was right... it's turtles all the way down.

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  9. Dark Matter bullshit, admit scientists by Snafoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    AP - Scientists at the prestigious CERN institute in Switzerland announced late Friday that the so-called 'dark matter', which makes up 90% of the universe, is actually bullshit.
    "These findings come as a surprise," stated Dr. Weissmann, lead scientist at the institute. "Before today, we thought dark matter might be, say, an agglomeration of exotic subatomic particles, like muons or 'strange' quarks, signifying a problem with the equations governing space-time. Instead, all that turns out to be bullshit."
    Other hypotheses included Cheez-puffs and intelligent end-users. But the conclusive evidence for the new Bullshit Theory of Matter came from the Hubble space telescope, which since 1995 has been sending back data that, according to scientists, is "complete and utter bull."
    "Over and over we ran through the equations, and each time we came up with the same answer: This is crap," affirmed Weismann. "It's satisfying, in a way, to be able to say that about your life's work."

    -C.

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