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Court Action Does Not Reduce File-Sharing

gollum123 wrote to mention a BBC report that despite numerous court cases, litigation does not appear to be reducing the amount of file-sharing. From the article: "The level of file-sharing has remained the same for two years despite 20,000 legal cases in 17 countries. The International Federation of the Phonographic Industries (IFPI) said it was 'containing" the problem and more people were connecting to broadband."

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  1. Obviously by Rekolitus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more people that take court action, the more bitter people will be, and the less likely people will buy from them.

    1. Re:Obviously by AoT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed.

      The tighter they clench their fist, the more files will slip from their grasp.

      But really, look at this logicaly. The record companies never thought they could stop this with law suits, they were forced to sue to keep the idea that downloading music is wrong in peoples heads. This is a rear-guard action while the big companies work on new business plan. Of course, whether those plans work or not is another story.

    2. Re:Obviously by mboverload · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The more people that take court action, the more bitter people will be, and the less likely people will buy from them.

      Yep.

      Unlike some people, I have NO problem with the music they produce. I'm one of those losers that like Green Day. I like mainstream music like Dashboard Confessional, Fall Out Boy, or even Justin Timberlake. Big fucking deal. Sue me.

      However, I can't buy msuic from them on principal. Just like I wouldn't buy blankets from the online Al-qaeda shop, I can't buy music from them. Yes, an extreme example but it lays out my point in black and white:

      I don't buy things/support people/companies I think are "true evil".

      I don't buy from Walmart, I don't buy music from the RIAA, and I don't buy ten year old girls from the local human trafficker.

  2. Makes perfect sense to me... by balloot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people who get nailed in court for file-sharing seem very remote. It just doesn't seem like a file-sharing conviction will ever affect "normal" people who just use Limewire every so often when they need something. These people make up 99% of the file-sharing population.

  3. You mean... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. People don't think that it's a big risk if there's a 1 in 100,000 chance they'll be the next one sued (especially if they don't swap too much).

    2. Suing people tends to piss them off, making them less likely to buy from you.

  4. What the people want by Eightyford · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well I think it's obvious what the people want, and that's less strict copyright laws. I'm pretty sure democracy is not about who has the richest lobbyists, so the RIAA can kiss my ass.

    1. Re:What the people want by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though I want less strict copyright laws myself, I would be VERY cautious about wanting democracy in its purest form - the "people" taking by force whatever they want. The "people" don't tend to think things through, and having a republic slows things down enough so that an actual thought process can happen.

  5. Sometimes "misunderstood" by mendaliv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find the last paragraph of the article mildly amusing:
    [Mr. Kennedy] said DRM was a "sometimes misunderstood element of the digital music business".

    I wonder if he knows who is misunderstanding it...

  6. Re:Covenants by gregbains · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wouldn't mind paying if the money went to the artist, and it was a decent price, but I'm sorry £9.99 for an album, of which the artist gets £1 (if that), it doesn't seem right. Until they sort out the corruption then I will not be doing business with them.

  7. Don't forget to crank up the phonograph by VampireByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are called The International Federation of the Phonographic Industries? Wow, that explains the ancient mindset of the music industry. Imagine the automotive industry still refering to themselves as horseless carriage manufactures!

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  8. The cost of litigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The level of file-sharing has remained the same for two years despite 20,000 legal cases in 17 countries.

    Maybe THAT is the reason why record companies are seeing their profits decline? Court costs are not trivial.

  9. what the ...? by deep44 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Mr Kennedy, writing in the report, said DRM "helps get music to consumers in new and flexible ways".
    If by "new and flexible", he means, "irritating and tedious", then no- I don't think DRM is misunderstood at all!
  10. Factor in growing internet population? by no_opinion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't we expect the level of file sharing to go up, proportional to the growing internet population? If it has, in fact, stayed flat that would indicate something is creating downward pressure. Whether it's the lawsuits or not is another question entirely.

  11. Just goes to show by ztwilight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't outlaw something that people don't think is illegal. Just how outlawing liquor in the 30's made it more popular than ever.

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    1. Re:Just goes to show by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ITYM "something that people don't think is wrong", or perhaps "something that people don't think should be illegal". Basically everyone knows it's illegal to trade copyrighted material on P2P services without permission from the copyright holder, just like everyone knows it's illegal to drive 65 in a 60 zone or cross the street when the sign says DONT WALK, and everyone knew back in the days of Prohibition that alcohol was illegal. They just don't care, because (1) they know they aren't hurting anyone and (2) the chances of getting caught are slim to none.

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  12. Re:Once a thief by halr9000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Something I did when I was a kid, which I'm ashamed of now, was shoplift just about everything that wasn't nailed down. And I was big into warez for a while. But now that I make a comfortable salary, my time is worth more to me than I would save by hunting down stuff online through nefarious means. (The shoplifting thing quickly faded as the risks grew when I reached maturity.)

    It would be interesting to see a demographic survey of /. visitors. I would guess that a large majority of those who are not students are, like me, nicely into middle class.

    Anyway, the point here is that while I used to pirate a bunch of music, that too has faded. Now I mostly grab free music, mostly live stuff from etree. And I'm pretty embittered by the big music business. What fools.

    However, unlike shoplifting or software piracy, I'm not really ashamed of the music piracy. All I was doing was something that was legal in the analog world. I was moving my own music from one place to another, or I was borrowing a copy of a friend's cd. And listening to a cd makes me want to go to a concert, and that's how their biz model should have worked.

    Or they can just sue everybody.

    Incidentally, I feel the same way about ripped TV shows. If I miss a show that was on yesterday, I still want to watch the show! All I'm doing is consuming what they air for free!

  13. Simple Market Explanation by dada21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One spends money on things others can do more efficiently.

    The price we pay is based on our assessment of the time it took to make the exact item/service we're getting.

    Music live I can see paying $15-$50 or more -- supply is low, so demand sets the price.

    Digital music has a near infinite supply. The market pushes costs to zero.

  14. Getting back to a normal relationship between by burni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    consumers and artists

    1.) artists need money to live and be productive
    2.) artists need consumers who appreciate their art work, and pay for them
    3.) consumers need artists too, because artists are the basic glue which upholds
    and inspires our culture, every decade is mostly described by their artists,
    and the artwork,

    what you think of when I say 80s, perhaps there is a famous tune floating
    through your ears, or you see a picture of the androgynous "Boy George",
    or see a black pontiac transam cruising, it´s part of our culture,
    or even parts of our identity.

    <b>artwork belongs to both society and creator </b>

    so as I wrote in the subject it&#180;s a two way relationship where no side
    can exist without the other, so from my point of view if you are an artist and create artwork, on the one hand you should have the right to sell your artwork,
    and you should have the right to prosecute those people who sell
    your creations, because this is a really damage in your oportunity to
    sell your artwork, but persecuting private fileshares, which could not
    pay for all artwork they have on their HDs aren&#180;t really a loss,

    because most of them still buy the artwork they appreciate most,
    they are consumers who are willing to pay for artwork.

    But accepting that you created artwork and release it to the public you also
    must accept that since release you don&#180;t own your creation entirely anymore,
    it becomes part of the cultural heritage of a group, a society or even the worlds cultural heritage.

    So concluding this, and citing what was said in a thread above, the more people you take to court the more bitter people there will be, the more consumers
    you will lose.

    <b>The copyright has gone mad since the "Mickey Mouse" - act induced by Bono.</b>

    In germany we call the copyright "Urheberrecht"

    Which means the right of the creator on his creation, but why should
    the copyright last longer than the creator lives, because he is dead,
    so he and his work were and are part of our culture, he participated
    on the wealth of the consumers of his artwork, so why after his death
    his artwork shouldn&#180;t be public domain ?

    Artwork isn&#180;t pure commercial, because it&#180;s part of our culture.

    a.) I&#180;m against commercial copyright violators

    b.) I provide an allowance of private and fair use,
    perhaps using a culture flat fee, where you pay non directional
    so creators of swapped artwork get a compensation

    c.) many artists owe their public success to the napsters and eDonkeys
    of the world, for example "Gorillaz"

    d.) music industry is stuck into a total commercial way of thinking,
    they forgot that those private file swappers they sue, are also mostly
    consumers, and that private fileswapping can boost record sales

    e.) we even have recuded file swapping rates, but the record sales
    are still decreasing.

    <b> Copy doesn&#180;t kill music,
    Copy is a sign of life,
    Hearing & Copying is a sign of appreciation,
    </b>
    and leads to prospering business.