Are you suggesting that you should love homosexuals even while you put them to death? 'cause that's a subtlety that may not be so reassuring to the homosexuals at the receiving end of your loving.
No, we Christians believe that homosexuality is a sexual sin, just like premarital sex, adultery, etc. We don't hate sinners, we love everyone the same, with the same unconditional love with which God loves us. The bible also commands us to do so. To do otherwise is to never have known God. Putting people to death in the Old Testament was the way they kept their culture holy, since they had no real way to atone for sin (Hebrews chapter 10 in the New Testament explains this very clearly). When Jesus died on the cross to atone for our sins, those Old Testament laws were done away with.
put a second and third mouse button on their laptops, and got rid of those awful touch pads, I would consider switching back. Oh, and better support for Linux would be good too.
I'm an American, and I didn't compete in topcoder because they have options for C++, Java, and C#. I program primarily in Lisp and Obj-C, Python, Perl and JavaScript.
It seems like this problem could have been avoided if he was as good at affecting podcast search results as podkeyword.com was. He openly admits to not completely understanding how iTunes gets its search results, but then blames the problem on podkeyword.com. Hmmm...
So in a year and a half, IE 7 will have a feature (RSS) which Safari has right now in Tiger, and another feature (embedded search bar) which Safari has had since late 2003? Way to go, Microsoft!
Lack of hardware support will REALLY harm Linux. Take the airport extreme card, for example. It doesn't work on my laptop w/ Ubuntu Linux. I love Ubuntu, but if I can't go wireless I am increasingly less motivated to use it.
Explain to me where you are getting your figures from. Are you saying that the average CEO makes $40 million? The average programmer makes $30,000 a year? Where are you living? Iowa? Not to mention you're missing the fact that Bill Gates was president of Microsoft for many, many years. People with asperger's are perfectly capable of doing great things in society, no matter what your (quite obvious) prejudices are.
You are obviously not a developer. Apple SAVED millions by having KHTML and Kjs already there to start with. Then they built upon it, making various changes, and at the end released a big chunk of code without the proper documentation.
You obviously are someone who is hasty and arrogant enough to declare complete strangers as not developers. So it is obvious now that I am talking to someone who can't even hold a debate, and an anonymous coward at that, oh, and likes to whine about Apple. Now moving off of the topic of whether I am a developer... Whether Apple saved ANY money by using KHTML is debateable. Apple did not have to create a web browser, and they did not have to use KHTML. There are plenty of other good web browsers out there. Try to remember that Apple is not selling Safari, they are just trying to recover from the enormous fiasco called Internet Explorer 5 for Mac.
All the KDE people asked for is the changelogs with corresponding check-ins/patches, which is the preferred way of dealing with software. This stuff already exists.
That "stuff" already exists, but within Apple HQ. Do you think that Apple is just going to open up all of their code to you on a whim? Think again.. That would cost Apple a lot of money to open up an external server and have their developers check in their code twice to the external server and their own internal server - which isn't in the license agreement between Apple and KHTML anyways.
Without it, you have to spend a huge amount of time combing through the code to figure out what each thing does and WHY certain changes were made. This takes so long that it is often faster to just implement the features from scratch.
With it, you have to spend even more time combing through several orders of magnitude more code, which most of the time is pointless anyways - the most recent code base is what matters.
The problem then is that of duplicated effort, where the same thing must be done TWICE because the Apple mega-patch is too opaque. It also doesn't adhere to the same standards so in order to fit in nicely it needs to be refactored to some extent anyway.
No matter how you slice it, KDE developers are running khtml on Linux/BSD/Intel/AMD/etc. and Apple is running it on DarwinBSD/PPC. Apple isn't testing their changes on the other architectures and their developers don't work the same as the KDE community. Heck, some of them are right out of college and still trying to get some real experience at programming. Not all of their patches are going to be pristine. So what?
The "nice way" to play would have been for Apple to keep in contact with the KDE people and get their changes put in the mainline version as they went along. Then everyone would win.
The "nice way" for the khtml community to play would be to not whine excessively about other people liking and using their software. Are you going to whine about Linux users adopting Linux next?
Apple did work with the GCC people because GCC was making strides without Apple and Apple was concerned about its own internal GCC getting too out-of-sync.
Basically saying that GCC was on top of things and KDE isn't?? Oh please...
All that's different here is Apple thinks it can stay ahead of KHTML so it wants to do that, rather than helping.
Or perhaps the KHTML team's unwillingness to merge fixes back into their code base to keep their code more similar to Apple's... The longer they keep doing that, the worse the fork will be.
This isn't a question of legal rights, it's a question of being social or anti-social. Apple COULD be a lot more helpful, considering they got their whole initial code base for free.
Sorry, but Apple isn't out to play social games with you. They're hurting in marketshare like always and don't have time to do anything but make excellent software, hardware, and money. Sorry if not everyone is on the same self-righteous OSS crusade that you are on.
Hmmm... Apple makes KHTML popular through their usage of it, adds lots of new features which you become privvy to and able to put back into KHTML, spends MILLIONS of their own money paying professional developers to make it better, holds to the license of the product, and you have ANYTHING to complain about??!?!?! You sound like a stuck-up developer - "we didn't like how they fixed the bugs. It wasn't good enough for our team to incorporate back into the code base".
Hate to break it to you, but you are a pain to work with. It's time for the KHTML developers to grow up.
And VHS will never kill Betamax. Oh, and DVD will never kill VHS either. And Windows will never have more marketshare than Mac. And OS/2 will come back from the dead.
Well, I'm happy that you have a fast computer. Compiling the average Gentoo package takes THREE DAYS in my shared computing environment instead of what would normally take 3 MINUTES with Ubuntu. Gentoo has its uses, but a productive desktop is not one of them.
Ok AC, can you show us some 'flawless' software that you have created? There is no such thing as 'flawless' software./* true.c: do nothing, successfully. */
int main (void)
{
return 0;
}
A thousand dollars to the first person to identify a flaw in the above code.
Ok. Since, you never stated which language to compile your code in, I can find at least a hundred flaws. Your code doesn't compile in Python, Perl, JavaScript, Ruby, Eiffel, AppleScript, etc. etc... That'll be one thousand dollars please.
You'd be amazed how many fundies go straight into a planetarium show about the Hubble Space Telescope - in a SCIENCE MUSEUM - and are SHOCKED that it mentions that the Unverse is around 15 billion years old. Then there was the one who complained to the local paper that the show about the Moon mentioned lots of theories about where the Moon came from, but didn't mention how God did it.
The frustrating thing is that when we get complaints, we still have to be *civil* to our customers, not call them idiots, respect their beliefs, and somehow still defend your decision to run such programming. And it's hard explain your side of the argument while the guy making the complaint just keeps walking out the door with the rest of the audience. It might be natural for us in the science museum profession to want to hide away from the controversy and hope it goes away, but that won't make it get any better. This is a really, sad and frightening trend.
Speaking for "fundies" here, they aren't shocked that you mentioned that the universe is 15 billion years old, but rather that you tout unproven theories like they are fact. Christians want their voice to be heard and Creationism and Evolution to both be presented with all of the correct facts and theories given as free speech in the schools, but this is not allowed in America. Your job would not be so frustrating if you simply treated your theory as it is - a theory. It's equally as frustrating on the other side of the fence - but for a different reason - Creationism is not given a single chance to be heard in the schools. And yet how many thousands of Christians are there who are on the front lines of scientific research, pioneering new breakthroughs in science? The truth is painful, my friend.
What's weirder is that IMAX theaters normally are *in* science museums. You'd think that the Fundies wouldn't set foot in such "ungodly" places and that the people who do go are those interested in science.
No, "fundies" are interested in science. And a very large amount of your modern day science was invented by Christians - take a look at history - including the theory of evolution itself. The fact that some IMAX theaters are inside of science museums has nothing to do with the topic here. The movies are being withdrawn due to their presenting evolution as fact instead of presenting it as theory, which it is, since there is more evidence that evolution is false than otherwise.
You cut costs by making more money with your software. Learn how to use a more powerful text editor, and the command-line. Create a shared common codebase of the functions your company needs the most. Spend more time brainstorming and thinking outside the box regarding ways to make the business and operations better.
Google, and IBM, and Apple, and Novell, and Red Hat, and.. uh.. even Microsoft(!) (Yes, ever heard of Microsoft's BSD Socket implementation? How about kerberos?)
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Are you suggesting that you should love homosexuals even while you put them to death? 'cause that's a subtlety that may not be so reassuring to the homosexuals at the receiving end of your loving.
No, we Christians believe that homosexuality is a sexual sin, just like premarital sex, adultery, etc. We don't hate sinners, we love everyone the same, with the same unconditional love with which God loves us. The bible also commands us to do so. To do otherwise is to never have known God.
Putting people to death in the Old Testament was the way they kept their culture holy, since they had no real way to atone for sin (Hebrews chapter 10 in the New Testament explains this very clearly). When Jesus died on the cross to atone for our sins, those Old Testament laws were done away with.
This is a regular occurrence in the software world. Offended developers should perhaps try growing up a little.
put a second and third mouse button on their laptops, and got rid of those awful touch pads, I would consider switching back. Oh, and better support for Linux would be good too.
I'm an American, and I didn't compete in topcoder because they have options for C++, Java, and C#. I program primarily in Lisp and Obj-C, Python, Perl and JavaScript.
You can't outlaw something that people don't think is illegal. Just how outlawing liquor in the 30's made it more popular than ever.
Making money is much more fun. Besides, how can you save money if you don't have any to save?
If they had a chapter about Mono compatibility, I might consider the book.
It seems like this problem could have been avoided if he was as good at affecting podcast search results as podkeyword.com was. He openly admits to not completely understanding how iTunes gets its search results, but then blames the problem on podkeyword.com. Hmmm...
What should someone's UID have to do with the validity of what they post?
Whoah, that flew right over your head, didn't it? Having a low UID doesn't mean someone is smarter, it means they were around on Slashdot earlier.
So in a year and a half, IE 7 will have a feature (RSS) which Safari has right now in Tiger, and another feature (embedded search bar) which Safari has had since late 2003? Way to go, Microsoft!
No one needs office anymore. We have VIM!
Lack of hardware support will REALLY harm Linux. Take the airport extreme card, for example. It doesn't work on my laptop w/ Ubuntu Linux. I love Ubuntu, but if I can't go wireless I am increasingly less motivated to use it.
Really? I have some real estate to sell you.
Explain to me where you are getting your figures from. Are you saying that the average CEO makes $40 million? The average programmer makes $30,000 a year? Where are you living? Iowa? Not to mention you're missing the fact that Bill Gates was president of Microsoft for many, many years. People with asperger's are perfectly capable of doing great things in society, no matter what your (quite obvious) prejudices are.
You obviously are someone who is hasty and arrogant enough to declare complete strangers as not developers. So it is obvious now that I am talking to someone who can't even hold a debate, and an anonymous coward at that, oh, and likes to whine about Apple. Now moving off of the topic of whether I am a developer... Whether Apple saved ANY money by using KHTML is debateable. Apple did not have to create a web browser, and they did not have to use KHTML. There are plenty of other good web browsers out there. Try to remember that Apple is not selling Safari, they are just trying to recover from the enormous fiasco called Internet Explorer 5 for Mac.
All the KDE people asked for is the changelogs with corresponding check-ins/patches, which is the preferred way of dealing with software. This stuff already exists.
That "stuff" already exists, but within Apple HQ. Do you think that Apple is just going to open up all of their code to you on a whim? Think again.. That would cost Apple a lot of money to open up an external server and have their developers check in their code twice to the external server and their own internal server - which isn't in the license agreement between Apple and KHTML anyways.
Without it, you have to spend a huge amount of time combing through the code to figure out what each thing does and WHY certain changes were made. This takes so long that it is often faster to just implement the features from scratch.
With it, you have to spend even more time combing through several orders of magnitude more code, which most of the time is pointless anyways - the most recent code base is what matters.
The problem then is that of duplicated effort, where the same thing must be done TWICE because the Apple mega-patch is too opaque. It also doesn't adhere to the same standards so in order to fit in nicely it needs to be refactored to some extent anyway.
No matter how you slice it, KDE developers are running khtml on Linux/BSD/Intel/AMD/etc. and Apple is running it on DarwinBSD/PPC. Apple isn't testing their changes on the other architectures and their developers don't work the same as the KDE community. Heck, some of them are right out of college and still trying to get some real experience at programming. Not all of their patches are going to be pristine. So what?
The "nice way" to play would have been for Apple to keep in contact with the KDE people and get their changes put in the mainline version as they went along. Then everyone would win.
The "nice way" for the khtml community to play would be to not whine excessively about other people liking and using their software. Are you going to whine about Linux users adopting Linux next?
Apple did work with the GCC people because GCC was making strides without Apple and Apple was concerned about its own internal GCC getting too out-of-sync.
Basically saying that GCC was on top of things and KDE isn't?? Oh please...
All that's different here is Apple thinks it can stay ahead of KHTML so it wants to do that, rather than helping.
Or perhaps the KHTML team's unwillingness to merge fixes back into their code base to keep their code more similar to Apple's... The longer they keep doing that, the worse the fork will be.
This isn't a question of legal rights, it's a question of being social or anti-social. Apple COULD be a lot more helpful, considering they got their whole initial code base for free.
Sorry, but Apple isn't out to play social games with you. They're hurting in marketshare like always and don't have time to do anything but make excellent software, hardware, and money. Sorry if not everyone is on the same self-righteous OSS crusade that you are on.
It's not illegal to be selfish, but
Well, it's unfortunate that you don't know how to refactor software. Maybe after a few more years of programming you will learn how it's done.
Hmmm... Apple makes KHTML popular through their usage of it, adds lots of new features which you become privvy to and able to put back into KHTML, spends MILLIONS of their own money paying professional developers to make it better, holds to the license of the product, and you have ANYTHING to complain about??!?!?! You sound like a stuck-up developer - "we didn't like how they fixed the bugs. It wasn't good enough for our team to incorporate back into the code base".
Hate to break it to you, but you are a pain to work with. It's time for the KHTML developers to grow up.
And VHS will never kill Betamax. Oh, and DVD will never kill VHS either. And Windows will never have more marketshare than Mac. And OS/2 will come back from the dead.
Well, I'm happy that you have a fast computer. Compiling the average Gentoo package takes THREE DAYS in my shared computing environment instead of what would normally take 3 MINUTES with Ubuntu. Gentoo has its uses, but a productive desktop is not one of them.
Ok AC, can you show us some 'flawless' software that you have created? There is no such thing as 'flawless' software. /* true.c: do nothing, successfully. */
int main (void)
{
return 0;
}
A thousand dollars to the first person to identify a flaw in the above code.
Ok. Since, you never stated which language to compile your code in, I can find at least a hundred flaws. Your code doesn't compile in Python, Perl, JavaScript, Ruby, Eiffel, AppleScript, etc. etc... That'll be one thousand dollars please.You'd be amazed how many fundies go straight into a planetarium show about the Hubble Space Telescope - in a SCIENCE MUSEUM - and are SHOCKED that it mentions that the Unverse is around 15 billion years old. Then there was the one who complained to the local paper that the show about the Moon mentioned lots of theories about where the Moon came from, but didn't mention how God did it. The frustrating thing is that when we get complaints, we still have to be *civil* to our customers, not call them idiots, respect their beliefs, and somehow still defend your decision to run such programming. And it's hard explain your side of the argument while the guy making the complaint just keeps walking out the door with the rest of the audience. It might be natural for us in the science museum profession to want to hide away from the controversy and hope it goes away, but that won't make it get any better. This is a really, sad and frightening trend.
Speaking for "fundies" here, they aren't shocked that you mentioned that the universe is 15 billion years old, but rather that you tout unproven theories like they are fact. Christians want their voice to be heard and Creationism and Evolution to both be presented with all of the correct facts and theories given as free speech in the schools, but this is not allowed in America. Your job would not be so frustrating if you simply treated your theory as it is - a theory. It's equally as frustrating on the other side of the fence - but for a different reason - Creationism is not given a single chance to be heard in the schools. And yet how many thousands of Christians are there who are on the front lines of scientific research, pioneering new breakthroughs in science? The truth is painful, my friend.What's weirder is that IMAX theaters normally are *in* science museums. You'd think that the Fundies wouldn't set foot in such "ungodly" places and that the people who do go are those interested in science.
No, "fundies" are interested in science. And a very large amount of your modern day science was invented by Christians - take a look at history - including the theory of evolution itself. The fact that some IMAX theaters are inside of science museums has nothing to do with the topic here. The movies are being withdrawn due to their presenting evolution as fact instead of presenting it as theory, which it is, since there is more evidence that evolution is false than otherwise.Now perhaps I can get better Linux support on my Mac! I'll bet Linus moves to Ubuntu. It works wonders on any hardware I've seen yet.
You cut costs by making more money with your software. Learn how to use a more powerful text editor, and the command-line. Create a shared common codebase of the functions your company needs the most. Spend more time brainstorming and thinking outside the box regarding ways to make the business and operations better.
Google, and IBM, and Apple, and Novell, and Red Hat, and.. uh.. even Microsoft(!) (Yes, ever heard of Microsoft's BSD Socket implementation? How about kerberos?)