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New Sony E-Book Device To Debut This Year

Luke PiWalker writes "Sony hopes to pen a new chapter for e-books with a device set to debut later this year. The secret? A display based on E Ink technology that goes miles beyond LCDs and CRTs. From the article: 'Scheduled to go on sale this spring for between $300 and $400, the Reader is a compact slab about the size of a small paperback book (5-by-7 inches, and a half-inch thick). But it's the 3.5-by-4.8-inch display that made it the buzz of the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this month in Las Vegas.'"

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  1. But will it come with a rootkit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No more Sony in my house, sorry.

    1. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by TractorBarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I heartily concur.

      Their root kit fiasco really was the last straw. Over the last years their entire raison d'etre seems to be to lock you into their products. Mainly by using their own crappy, non standard, proprietary formats (minidisc... atrac... memory stick etc. etc.) whilst staunchly refusng to support any sort of standard format.

      Every time something appears on the market Sony makes something slightly different which is incompatible with everything else. But then they pulled the root kit trick and tried to start owning peoples Windows based computers like some 13 year old wannabe "crackers".

      What are they going to do next ? start DDOSing competitors websites ? start writing XBox viruses ? Nothing this bunch of low life scumbags do will suprise me.

      So I say to Sony the corporation. Fuck You. Go crawl in a hole and die.

      I'll never buy another thing from them as long as I live.

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    2. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is more to do with the perceived philosophy behind the move. That they think it is OK for them to have total access to your/anyone's PC. Reprehensible.

      They deserve to suffer at the hands of consumers they treat with such contempt.

    3. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the E-Ink product based (partially) on the (linux-based) gumstix project which many people have long been waiting for.

      Two things to consider when considering to buy this device:
      - Other companies will likely be releasing similar e-ink readers within the year (at a lower price, as they're not first-to-market, and they're not Sony)
      - If it has DRM, it's a no-go. If it has no DRM, it might be a turn-around for sony: it'd be one way to tell sony, "hey, this is what we want"!

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    4. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mainly by using their own crappy, non standard, proprietary formats (minidisc... atrac... memory stick etc. etc.) whilst staunchly refusng to support any sort of standard format.

      I can't believe some people can post such childish comments.

      Look: do you own a printer? ever noticed you can't buy a printer with "standard non proprietary" cartridges? If I follow your train of thought, you should be outraged, no? Of course not, you keep printing.

      Sony has always tried to do the Bic business model, it's nothing new. To their credit, when they develop a shite format like the MD, they stick to it. You can still find Minidiscs today, 14 years after it was introduced. You won't find cartridges for your printer 14 years from now, yet I'm sure you're nowhere as outraged with your printer's manufacturer as you appear to be with Sony.

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    5. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can still find Minidiscs today, 14 years after it was introduced. You won't find cartridges for your printer 14 years from now

      Of course you can still buy minidisks, you think Sony doesn't profit from them? They sold well in Asia, if not the US.

      As for printers, the printer manufacturers profit obscenely from selling cartridges, to the point of selling the printers below cost to get them into your home. They'll happily be making them as long as anyone is buying, though it would be a rare inkjet to last more than a year or two. Actually, I have a HP laser vintage 1992, and just sold a Panasonic impact printer (1989). You can buy cartridges (toner and ribbon respectively) for both machines almost anywhere.

    6. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by Nik13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm definitely waiting for something like that. But I never cared much for Sony's products (nothing to do with the recent DRM fiasco - just never liked their stuff).

      There are many factors that will affect my purchasing decision:

      -Price
      -Memory (built-in and expansion type)
      -Build quality and good interface

      But I think the main factor will be the software. I have a ridiculous amount of ebooks, most being in either pdf or chm format (and a handful in other formats; iSolo, etc). Getting these to work well with the device is what matters the most to me. Will the text be easy to read? Can you change the text size after conversion? Will converted documents fill the card rapidly? How will the converter handle A4/Letter sized pages -> PDA-sized display? Will it convert pictures to B&W and scale them? How slow will the conversion be? etc. This is the kind of thing that you never read in specs or most reviews, but it'll make 90% of the difference. Perhaps 2nd generation produts will improve too.

      If I can't convert my existing books easily for use on this, then it's useless (for me at least). I'm not buying a gadget I'll be fighting with daily (and yes, that also includes DRM licensing stuff).

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    7. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by cortana · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But will it actually read the foreign formats, or are Sony lieing like they usually do?

      Chances are, the foreign formats are only 'supported' if you don't mind using their crappy Windows software to convert them to Sony's proprietry formats before copying them to the device.

    8. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by secolactico · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They deserve to suffer at the hands of consumers they treat with such contempt.

      They won't tho. My guess is that the day they release the PS3, we are going to see lines even bigger than the ones at Xbox 360's launch.

      Besides, how long before someone cracks this e-book, and we are left we a nifty device with a nice display running linux? For just $300.

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    9. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by Nimey · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The difference is that there is no standard for printer ink cartridges. There are standard flash-memory modules and standard music media, but Sony chooses to ignore those standards as a customer-control tactic.

      If you buy their hardware, you then must buy the media that Sony either sells you or gets a cut from every purchase from licensing agreements. When you then buy new hardware, you're more likely to buy Sony again to avoid the hassle of converting your data to standard media.

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    10. Re:But will it come with a rootkit? by Saanvik · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, if it's anything like what they did with the NW-HD3 MP3 player I have, it's probably part truth, part "but ...".

      Yes, you can play MP3's on the NW-HD3 without having to convert them to ATRAC3-Plus, but the only way to get the files onto the device is using Sony's Windows only software.

      That last paragraph isn't strictly true. Some people have played around mounting the device and modifying the database manually. Also, there appears to be some other software that works with the device, but it's also Windows only.

  2. Could be great for textbooks by jbrader · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a college student I think this could really be a great gadget. The price seems a little steep at first but it's actually about the same as only two or three textboks. And if you could buy one of these and then download the book onto it for a few bucks a you'd actually save a lot of money over the course of your education. And it's much lighter than books too. Last year I was taking two physics courses and calculus and my bag weighed about 40 lbs and that was on days I didn't need to bring my lappy.

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    1. Re:Could be great for textbooks by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Won't happen this decade. College textbooks, and primary/secondary school as well, is a profit-hungry business. Why would they only charge a few dollars for something they can get a hundred for? Say a textbook costs $15 to print and sells for $50. The same e-book which costs $0 to reproduce would still cost $35 to download if they publisher wants to maintain their profits.

    2. Re:Could be great for textbooks by Zaatxe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would the publishers down the prices of the books because of they wouldn't have paper? Paper isn't that expensive (of course one could say it's not just the paper, but also stocking and distribution). Anyway, I believe the publishers would keep the prices as they are and consider the move as a "costs reduction", and either improve their profits or convert this in small discounts. I believe the greatest actual advantage this could bring is the reduction of the weight you will carry in your backpack.

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  3. I want one... by mrak+and+swepe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want one.

    My problem with ebook readers to date has been the transmissive screens -- staring at a light-source is just not as comfortable as staring at paper.

    I'm not even too worried about if/how the content is DRMed, since buying books is what money is for.

    But what I don't really want to do is pay royalties for a book I've already paid royalties for.

    What's the chance that ebooks will be available on a media-charge-only basis to those who already have the dead-tree edition? (Zero, I expect!)

    1. Re:I want one... by Jens+Egon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I want one too, but only if it can read HTML.

      If it can't access Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/ or the Baen free library (and subscriptions) http://www.baen.com/library/, well, what use is it?

      But wouldn't RSS imply the ability to display HTML as well?

  4. Re:Battery Life? by jbrader · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, it would last however long it takes you to read 7500 pages.

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  5. Re:Battery Life? by reydelamirienda · · Score: 2, Informative

    As electricity is usen only when you turn pages, it will last as long as it takes you to flip 7500 pages.

  6. Re:Battery Life? by Freexe · · Score: 3, Informative

    how long does it take you to read 10 - 20 books.

    From what I understand, once the page is displayed, they use no power to keep it displayed. they only use power to turn the pixels

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  7. Re:Battery Life? by MrLizardo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Supposedly, eInk screens only use power when changing the image they display. If that's true the batteries really will last for however long it takes you to read 7,500 pages. That is as long as you don't take so long to read 7,500 pages that the self discharge rate of whatever type of batteries it uses becomes a factor...

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  8. funny move by DarkClown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While this sounds like a cool gizmo it's strange that they shut down their zire operation, which had some success, and are going in a pretty much unproven direction like this which will likely not do much in retail.

  9. if Sony follow their usual practice by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Informative

    they'll take cool technology and make it useless by imposing stupid restrictions and design flaws.

    for example, in TFA they talk about how iTunes is such a success because of its ease of use and non-obtrusive DRM. the Sony reader will use the Sony Connect store based on the same idea - except you can't even look at Sony Connect without IE5.5+

    well done Sony, yet another fuckup.

    1. Re:if Sony follow their usual practice by BarryNorton · · Score: 4, Informative
      they'll take cool technology and make it useless by imposing stupid restrictions and design flaws
      They did - the hope is that in this second generation, they'll relax some of these restrictions (DRM etc.) It's suggested that the thing can read PDFs this time...
    2. Re:if Sony follow their usual practice by seldrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, come on. Let Sony blaze the way, throwing all their money behind it and bringing the cost of the materials down. They'll screw it up in a dozen ways for sure, but that'll just help out the company who eventually sends the better version down the line.

      Say, why does the 1 laptop per child $100 laptop only cost $100 and it's got one of these cool, cutting edge screens? Didn't MIT "invent" this e-ink? Is there expensive licensing involved? Is Sony maybe helping to bankroll the 1LPC program with this device? I could probably search and find my answers, but one of you already knows.

    3. Re:if Sony follow their usual practice by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm only interested in three things -

      1. PDF - for Safari downloads. Gives me a work-related excuse to buy one.
      2. UTF-8, ISO 8859-1, and ASCII plaintext - Gutenberg.
      3. XHTML.

      Mind you, if it could also read various eBook formats, RTF files, &c., it would be close to perfect.

  10. iBooks literature store? by ecotax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me, spending a few hundred dollars/euro's on such a thing is only worth consideration if there is a possibility to buy plenty of content for a price that's much lower that I'd pay for paper versions of the same stuff. I guess theoretically it's possible that Sony will do the the same for books as Apple did for music.
    However, given the recent experiences with Sony, I seriously doubt they have the vision to make this work. Possible DRM issues aside, they will probably screw this up by having too little content for too high price.
    This may be a chicken-and-egg problem, but it's not *my* chicken-and-egg problem - I'll stick to books for now.

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  11. Dupe by BarryNorton · · Score: 3, Informative
    But it's the 3.5-by-4.8-inch display that made it the buzz of the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this month in Las Vegas
    ... when it was reported in Slashdot, with a helpful link to the earlier Librie
  12. See Sony - Run for the hills! by nighty5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sony may have a good marketing machine, but I make a note to always stay way clear of them.
    * Sony products are usually 20% more expensive, with *less* features than the competitors.
    * Sony products adhere strictly to DVD Region coding: corrupt racketeering of the DVD distribution.
    * Sony products are simply not as competitive as other products.
    * Sony products are slow to move to the marketplace, MP3 players were the most amusing addition to their product line, almost 4 years after the ipod.

    Everytime I see some fashion crazy gumby tell me they just bought the top of the line Sony TV I sit back and have a quiet chuckle. They just spent 20% more than they needed too, and with probably only 50% of the features found in other leading products.

  13. LCDs don't need to be refreshed by moonbender · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wired writes: "There's no flicker, because the pixels are completely static (in an LCD or a cathode-ray tube display, by contrast, pixels need to be "refreshed" 60 times per second or more)."

    LCD pixels don't need to be refreshed, ever. LCD panels are typically updated at 60 Hz, but this is just new data being sent from the computer, and mostly just due to how things were done before. Incidently, CRTs are typically refreshed at at least 80 Hz to make the flickering less obvious and less straining. Electronic ink does have the distinct advantage of not having to look basically directly into a lamp all the time. But anyway, if your LCD flickers, you should return it because the backlight is damaged.

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  14. Well shucks by DingerX · · Score: 4, Insightful
    from TFA:
    Books have been written on sheets of dried, mashed plants for about five millennia. Paper is a cheap, relatively durable and versatile technology. Sony's new Reader will not spell the end of that long history, but it could be the opening of an interesting new chapter.


    Well, depends on what you call a book. And frankly, I prefer the ones written on treated animal skins. It's a personal preference thing.

    Anyway, DRM or not, the big problem I have with Sony (and the other, with the cooler-looking, fancier device) is that they seem to think I want to buy this thing so I can buy more things.

    I've got tons of files -- my own docs, a bunch of .pdfs, and the like -- that I can see being useful in a handy format; I'd love to have a device like that to store a small reference library. Books are cool and they already work pretty well. When you've got something revolutionary, play to its strengths.

    If you sell me something I can put two bookshelves of texts I consult regularly on, and maybe throw in some nonsense on birdwatching, I'll probably buy it.

    If you make something that lets me read the Da Vinci Code for the same price as the paperback, plus $400, and doesn't let me give the work to a friend (a friend I don't like too much, given the choice of fiction), then forget it.

    Oh yeah, battery life isn't just the screen, it's the processor too.
    1. Re:Well shucks by vitalyb · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about using a regular Palm (or any other PDA)?

      I use iSilo on my Palm and I read already around 50 regular books on it and it felt great (partly due to how awesome iSilo and partly to the nice, even if small, Zire71 screen). It can accept anything you can convert to HTML or plain text. That means .doc, .pdf and pretty much anything else I can think of.

      The only other device I'd consider to read my books:
      1) Treo-like device - Because then it is PDA, books, video, music AND cellphone.
      2) DRM-less eBook reader that's written on elastic e-paper that I can bend.

  15. Re:User-generated content? by Kesh · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'll be able to view plaintext, HTML and PDF on the new reader... but, before it gets loaded onto the reader, it gets converted into Sony's proprietary file format. So, it's not a simple matter of drag-and-drop, you have to run it through a file converter to get it onto the reader.

    That's the deal-breaker for me. :/

  16. This might work if it is universal by BiDi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it is universal in a sense that it reads numerous .pdf and .chm e-books (not to mention .txt and offline copies of web pages) that you can google for and download right now it could be a succsess. If you can only read overpaied crappy sony books, they will fail as usual on the inteligent buyers market and get only supported by idiots (as all DRM schemes were and are).

    Copy-right,left,up or down, consumers don't care what the DRM whiners and sony-virus installers are yapping, we are only interested in the minimum investment and maximum return.

    E-books are all free (some only on p2p networks but with sizes of couple of megs who cares where you get it from), only the "player" is the payable part and the player should play everything we users throw at it. If it doesn't guess what? Competitior's player WILL and we will buy their product and ignore sony's crap.

  17. This is hardly news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is hardly news, Sony Librie has been out in the market for quite a while already. Just about all the questions that are being asked have answers on the web.

    This new version has inbuilt (I think) rechargeable battery instead of 4xAAA, whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know. I have preference for the AAAs, because you can always get disposable ones if you are somewhere you can't recharge the batteries.

    Also new is that it accepts SD card as well as MemoryStick. This has got to be a good thing.

    Layout is different, Librie had a ful QWERTY keyboard, missing on this new one I think.

    The file format for Librie is annoying, but manageable. There are many third party softwares that can easily convert most kinds of text files to the BBeB format. At the moment, only Sony Japan sell e-books tailored for Librie, with DRM attached of course, these DRMed files also have some stupid 60 day (I think) expiry period. But files you convert yourself do not expire.

    Converting files from Gutenberg is trivial. I've uploaded a lot of books on mine with no problem. Only beef I have with it is that in Gutenberg files the line breaks are hard, so I had to remove all linebreak characters at the end of lines which are not end of paragraphs. There are probably some 3rd party software that can do this easily.

    The screen is amazing, but can only do 4 level greyscale. Great for text, not bad for comics, useless for photos. It's for reading, not for pictorial porn.

    Text font size is changeable, there are some five or six level of font size you can select, depending on your eyesight and the book default.

    In Librie, the sorting on the Bookshelf is useless, probably because I can't decipher the Japanese too well, I hope the US version is more useable.

    At the moment, PDFs suck. Although you can convert pdf to the format, it's converted as image (I think) and the resolution is decreased to the native resolution of the screen: 800x600. The entire page is squeezed into the screen, and you can't zoom for images, so you can't read the PDF files, unless the text on the file is headline sized. I read somewhere that the new version can actually zoom, I hope this will improve.

    Battery life is as good as Sony claims, although remember this is number of pages, and the number of pages per book depends on the font size and the actual book. If you use a big font size to read War and Peace, you will probably only get through half of the book.

    And if you worried about rootkit, why, isn't this Slashdot? just use Linux and don't install Sony software. Just plug in your choice of the flash memory into the memory read, and upload the converted files and database/TOC without using Sony software. Even better, since the Librie (and I assume this new one too) runs on Linux (source is available from Sony), just hack this thing yourself!

  18. only IE by GerardM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, this is another customer that is not interested in the 20% of the market in Europe that does not use Internet Explorer.

    It may be a good product (technically) but its marketing is fataly broken when it requires IE.

    Thanks,
          GerardM

  19. Spare me the eBook technology stories by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although the new technology is attractive, the technology in the Rocket eBook or the Franklin eBookman was more than adequate. I still have my five-year-old Rocket and I still use it. I can bring ten books on a trip in a device that's smaller and lighter than a trade paperback and have a pleasurable, immersive reading experience.

    What has prevented the eBook from taking off--killed it, at least for the moment--is not the devices. It is, in order of importance: limited title availability, limited title availability, limited title availability, excessive price, and DRM. Fix those problems and the eBook market will take off, even if you have to read them on a cell phone screen.

    Of these, title availability is the most serious. At one point I checked, and at that time, of about 44 books on Oprah's Book Club list, something like 35 of them were available as audiobooks... and something like six of them were available as ebooks in ANY format. And no more than about four of them in any specific format.

    TFA is entitled "Screening the Latest Bestseller," but unless something changes drastically, only a small fraction of the latest bestsellers will be screenable. Maybe you don't care for Barbara Kingsolver but I do, and none of her books has ever been available as an eBook.

    Price. I've had about half-a-dozen conversations with strangers who saw me using my Rocket. They would be interested, I'd hand it to them so they could scroll pages, they'd be impressed, they'd ask about price and capacity and so forth. Then would come the question: "How much do the eBooks cost?" I'd answer "About the same as a hardbound for books that are not out in paper, about the same as a paperback for books that are in paperback." They'd give me a you-gotta-be-kidding look of disbelief and that would be that. End of story.

    And, DRM. Look guys, don't you get it? One of the pleasures of books is lending them. Why do you think bookplates were invented? If I can't lend my son the latest Stephen King, don't bother. True story: just last year, my wife bought a copy of Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything." "Wow, this is really good," she says. "You'd probably like to read it when I'm done with it." Pregnant pause. "Uh, honey... I'm afraid I've already read it. I bought it for my Rocket eBook a couple of years ago." Phooey. Paid twice for the damn book. Not that it would have mattered, as my wife doesn't own a Rocket eBook, and even if she did the content was keyed to the serial number of the individual device and I couldn't have loaned it to her anyway.

  20. Sony issues... by Bill+the+Bilby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To all the people pooh-poohing Sony on here- have any of you ever owned a (cassette) walkman or a (cd) discman? How about a Viao laptop, or a portable minidisc player? Whatever your opinions are about their non-portable equipment; their politics or their policies, Sony has ALWAYS made very durable and dependable portable equipment. Paying a "premium" for Sony equipment is like paying a premium for Apple equipment- except that you get durable devices instead of pretty ones.

    Oh, and everyone saying they'll wait for Apple to release one? Remember, Apple hasn't always been the forward-thinking design firm they are today- gee, it's almost like they somehow CHANGED the way they do business? *gasp*... but Sony could NEVER do that! All sarcasm aside- Sony screwed up, folks, pure and simple. This rootkit business would obviously never have happened if their security people has been controlled better... and you can bet it probably won't happen again (at least not soon). Sony makes, has made, and will continute to make quality hardware, and I doubt that will change in the near future. These people brought us the betamax wars (beta was better!) and, more popularly, the CD format that has been the basis for data and audio transfer for two decades. Let it go.

    Oh yes, Apple fans, remember- expect to actually pay MORE for a compareable Apple product then the Sony MSRP because, well, it's Apple!

    That being said, I probably won't buy this product, but for different reasons then most people. I prefer my books in dead-tree format, because I can toss them in bags, bang them around, sit on them, whatever, and they only cost me about $6 to replace. Also, many of the books I like are out of print now, and although I'm sure the library they have available when these are released will be large, I doubt it'll have much in the way of out-of-print science fiction and fantasy.

    What I'd like to see come out of this is the development of a thin-but-durable paper/plastic product that you can write on, and then save the data to put on a computer later. Pair this screen technology with a memory recording device and a touch-screen applique, and you'd have a low-power electronic 'notebook' that's good for taking notes in classes or at work, but doesn't require hauling around a $700+ device.

    1. Re:Sony issues... by Lochin+Rabbar · · Score: 2, Informative

      To all the people pooh-poohing Sony on here- have any of you ever owned a (cassette) walkman

      Not since the early 80's when they were the only show in town. It was replaced by an AIWA who made far superior portable cassette players than the walkmans. They weren't as neat or pretty, but they had far better sound quality.

      or a (cd) discman?

      Yes it crapped out after 18 months, the price SONY quoted to fix it was more than the price of the unit, and it wasn't one of their cheaper models.

      How about a Viao laptop,

      No, I'm daft but I'm not that stupid

      or a portable minidisc player?

      Yes, and exactly the same happened as with the discman. The microphone I bought with it still works, but I never use it, the gain is so low that it's useless for recording. The headphones I bought at the same time fell apart after two years due to poor materials, and I've had similar issues with a Sony Ericsson phone. Before you say anything, I've always looked after my stuff, it's only Sony equipment I've ever had problems with.

      Whatever your opinions are about their non-potable equipment; their politics or their policies, Sony has ALWAYS made very durable and dependable portable equipment. Paying a "premium" for Sony equipment is like paying a premium for Apple equipment- except that you get durable devices instead of pretty ones.

      No, with both companies you are paying for the brand name. It's like buying Calvin Klein underpants you can get better and cheaper. In Sony's case my experience is that you would be hard pushed to find worse.

    2. Re:Sony issues... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      have any of you ever owned a (cassette) walkman or a (cd) discman? How about a Viao laptop, or a portable minidisc player?

      Yes (multiple), yes (multiple), No, and Yes (multiple).

      Walkmans were good, but nearly every (all but one) Sony discman I've owned went defective in about 3 months of heavy use, and I'm talking about a dozen super-expensive ($200+) units (when $50 was normal). Similar situation for Minidisc players, I traded-in about 2 of each of 3 different models of $400 portable minidisc recorders (over the corse of my ~2-year warranty) before I gave-up.

      Sony has ALWAYS made very durable and dependable portable equipment.

      They used-to, but it's been a long time since that was the case. They've made nothing but complete CRAP for the past 15 years, and they still charge premium prices for it.

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  21. Oh please... how tiring can people get? by Animaether · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm getting quite tired of the "boycott SONY!" tirades some people go on.

    Yes, the music/CDs branch of SONY f'ed up royally.. and if you want to boycott them - by all means.

    But boycott the entire company? That's just a little strange - do you really think that, for example, their overhead projector group has *anything* to do with the music division? Yet you're perfectly willing to 'punish' them equally. It's like as if you were to scratch up my car, and I suddenly shun business from your entire family - and make this clear to everybody, too.

    So far my thoughts on it.. and I respect that you may not share those thoughts. You may still wish to boycott all of SONY. So be it.

    However, have you considered just exactly how much you will be needing to boycott?

    Just for kicks - did you happen to see "Memoirs of a geisha"? Let's say you did - oops: you already screwed up.. Memoirs of a geisha is a Sony Pictures Entertainment distribution. Maybe you didn't see it - but you'd like to go see "The DaVinci Code", "Spider-Man 3", "Hellboy 2", etc. Well, if you were to stick to your "boycott SONY", then you'll have to shun those, too. I'm sure your friends will understand when they ask you to go out with them, and you tell them "no - I'm boycotting SONY".

    Of course it's not just these new movies. Did you happen to watch, rent, or buy any Columbia, Tristar or MGM movie? Yes? Oops again - SONY owns most of them. Yes, that's right - watching Tom & Jerry cartoons (that you didn't already own) means you're supporting SONY financially.
    Maybe you don't care for those, though - I've yet to see any Slashdot person not like Stargate SG-1, however... and assuming you are among them.. I feel for you - for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis are Sony Pictures Television productions.

    Now, obviously you didn't buy a PSP - but maybe some of your friends have, and you know they would really, really like this game for it.. and their birthday is coming up. Well, tough for them - because buying a PSP game also supports SONY.

    And you certainly won't buy any CDs, yes (if you aren't already)? As, of course, SONY (and Philips) still get a tiny scraping of a dollar for every CD made - even if the music isn't connected to SONY in any way.

    Come next hardware-upgrade, please also be sure to bring a magnifying glass so that you can check out the components on the PCB. Good chance there's some SONY Semiconductor...semiconductors on there.

    The list goes on and on... quite honestly, you would be hurting yourself more than you would be hurting SONY. And what tiny little hurt you -do- do to SONY is being done to divisions that had zilch to do with the goof-up at SONY's music branch.

    I'd love to see the day that Unilever, Nestlé and Procter & Gamble would all do something so outrageous (maybe RFID tracking) that somebody wishes to boycott them - hell, somebody make a documentary about that, and I'll gladly pay to see it :D

    1. Re:Oh please... how tiring can people get? by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly the sentiment that ensures the consumer will get screwed every time. Let me sum up your claim:

      Sony is so big, they already ownZ0R3d j00. You can't be diligent enough to avoid buying any of their fine products, so why bother?

      The logic is so flawed, it's insane. It's like saying "You can't keep all the dirt off your counters, so what's the point of cleaning, ever?", or "You can't live forever, so why live at all?". Every penny this guy, or someone else like him, can keep out of Sony's pockets, is one less penny that Sony can use to marginalize and repress the public good. Whether I agree with his choices or not, he's acting in a conscientious way, with the ultimate goal of improving our society.

      You probably think everyone's overreacting, but there are always calm, contented people who wake up to a new world one day, full of regret. "Slippery Slope" isn't just a Historical Analysis tool.

      Jasin Natael
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    2. Re:Oh please... how tiring can people get? by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've personally been boycotting the music industry ever since Napster (the real one, not the new one that stole the name) shut down. Not just Sony, but all of them. Except indy's. And no iTunes store either (because of DRM). I haven't been 100%. I mean, I've bought 5 or 6 CDs over that time. Overall that's a huge drop in my music purchasing, and besides I'm only human.

      I did pretty well until I discovered allofmp3.com. Now I can buy music in open formats at a better than reasonable price. Allofmp3.com is my "good faith" way of showing that if someone offers a product I'm interested in (music downloads that will play wherever *I* want to play them, without restriction) I'm willing to buy. I think that's a much better statement than simply boycotting.

      But I back this sony boycott for sure. They attacked their cusomters. In the name of "anti-piracy" they put stuff on their CDs that *only* attacked their PAYING CUSTOMERS' machines.

      Did it infect the computers of people trading ColdPlay music on Kazaa? No.

      Did it infect the computers of people mass-producing bootleg CDs? No

      Did it infect the people who bought the bootlegs? Not likely, unless the bootlegs were copies of the original infected CD... if its a rip/burn, its safe...

      Only the people who forked over $12 or $15 or whatever got screwed by this. Anyone who didn't *legally* buy ColdPlay is fine... Sony's rootkit helps "keep honest users" get fucked.

      So yeah, I'll boycott their entire company as best as I can. If we only boycotted their music dept, the remaining divisions will cover for them. Sony's strength is in their diversity. The only way to make an impact is to stop giving them your money across the board. Maybe I can't special order a motherboard with no Sony capacitors on it, but I can definitely stop buying high-margin Sony items (ie, everthing Sony sells directly to consumers).

      (and actually, I'm not sure I've even seen a sony semiconductor recently...)

      You think maybe the "overhead projector group" might get a little annoyed if their quarterly revenue drops because the music group's anti-consumer practices? Maybe that could affect change from the inside, too.

      Just for kicks, let's see how well I'm doing by your standards.

      - haven't seen Memoirs of a Geisha. In fact I haven't seen many new movies this year, as most have gotten terrible reviews, and the few I have seen were so bad that they've really turned me off from going to the theater. I'll admit that this wasn't a conscious sony-boycott measure... I just didn't go see it.

      - DaVinci Code - I probably won't see DVC, since it has Tom Hanks in it, and I'm still boycotting him until he gets over himself and does another "Bachelor Party" type comedy (my last tom hanks movie: forest gump). Besides, I read the book and the movie will likely be a crappy adaptation.

      - Spiderman 3... you might have me on that one. But again, i'm only human.

      - Hellboy 2 - I might see this one... in Hell. The first Hellboy was bad enough. I won't have a problem boycotting this one.

      - Peer pressure - If my friends invite me to see a movie that I don't want to go see, I'll pass. If its a Sony movie (even one that I wouldn't have wanted to see regardless of the studio), I'll tell them its because I'm boycotting Sony. They'll laugh and understand. They're my friends.

      If your friends consider shitty movies more important than your integrity, you should find new friends.

      - Tom & Jerry SG-1 - haven't seen either in a long ass time. In fact I haven't seen but maybe 1/2 an episode of SG-1 ever. I saw the movie, but not the TV show. Through no fault of my own this boycott is a cakewalk.

      - I didn't buy a PSP, nor do I plan to. I *am* holding out for a Playstation 3, but Sony has another year or so to shape up before I have to worry about that. And maybe by then I'll have enough will power to not waste money on video game systems that I hardly ever play (I have PS2 and probably 10 gam

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  22. Re:if Sony follow their usual practice indeed... by MindPrison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A half an inch thick E-ink based gadget? What are they thinking? The whole point with the E-ink is that it can be on a flexible super thin piece of plastic. All Sony is doing...is making an inferior PDA like gadget with a worse screen, sure - it will save batteries... but then again - so will an black and grey Palm-pilot without backlight too. Pointless stuff.

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  23. Getting praise for products instead of PR disaster by D4C5CE · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One should hope that someone (preferably high up the corporate ladder) at SONY starts to think about it:

    When they make things digitally restricted and quite literally "locked up in crypto bottles" (John Perry Barlow), the fallout (especially among all the tech-savvy that should be the earliest adopters at premium prices) tends to be the one that can be seen from the start of this discussion: an immediate association with practices perceived as "evil" (why would any company in their right mind want to match Microsoft on this one?!) that only billions in advertising (if anything) can make go away again...

    Once they do get over their impulse to restrict and restrain, however, and simply sell the customer what the customer wants (cf. reprogrammable Aibos, MP3/4-capable players - and remember when everyone wanted a "Walkman(TM)"?), volume, clever additional applications, and the power of a premium brand more than make up for anything DRM (and lawsuits against tinkerers) could ever have earned them - and this improves rather than taints the image they enjoy in the public eye.