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Is Obsolescence Good Computer Security?

caesar-auf-nihil asks: "I was recently considering a switch from dial-up to something faster (either cable or DSL) but my friend recommended against it since he said I was more secure staying with Dial-Up. His argument was that my connection's slowness and 'not always on' connection gave me better security since I was less of a target for many security threats. Now, I have never gotten infected, nor do I believe my machine is infested with spyware and/or controlling programs as it runs fine, but I wonder if the obsolescence argument is really good or not. Does Dial-Up really protect you or is this a false sense of security and I should just go ahead and pick a faster service and make sure my firewall is a good one and my virus definitions are always up to date?"

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  1. Dial-up does not make you more secure by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like your friend is advocating a type of security through obscurity to me. Being on dial-up won't protect you. You should be using a firewall and have up to date virus definitions regardless of your type of connection to the internet.

    1. Re:Dial-up does not make you more secure by stevey · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Being on dial-up won't protect you

      Being on dial-up might even be worse for your security, since most people who have only dial-up will ignore security updates. (Predictably enough, downloading large patches is more troublesome when you have a slow and infrequent network connection)

    2. Re:Dial-up does not make you more secure by rideaurocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You really have to think about the vectors of infection. With dial up you're less likely to be infected by a probe of your computer that's scanning for a vulnerability since, as you said, it's not an always-on connection.

      But is that really how you get virii & spyware? I think not. The same access points are still there. A website that installs spyware thu activex doesn't care that you're on dial up. The trojan in the warez you (patiently) downloaded doesn't care either. Accessing the Internet puts you at risk. Thinking that a slow connection is the sole determinant of your value is naieve.

    3. Re:Dial-up does not make you more secure by JeffSh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i work for a software company that develops software for windows and the gui is tuned to people who only use the keyboard... and tabbing isn't necessary.

      soo, windows software doesn't have to be that way; just bad windows software does.

  2. Yikes by denissmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not connecting to the Internet at all is even safer than dial up, and not even having a computer practically guarantees that you won't get spyware and malware. And what good is that? Your friend's advice is ludicrous. Use proper security. Don't cruise the net as root, or the admin user on a windows box. If you have to use Windows as your OS get a real firewall product, hardware even better than software, don't run unnecessary services, don't use IE unless its for the MS site itself. Don't use Outlook. Keep your system patched. Avoid sites like the free game and pr0n sites that are forever infesting computers. Get a useful book on security. Keep proper backups so that you can recover if all else fails, then relax and enjoy the experience. The time you'll save will pay for most of your outlays.

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    I have nothing to hide. So, why are you spying on me?
  3. How can you not have spyware? by mldkfa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you know for a fact that you don't have spyware? I have seen many dialup connected computer with spyware and they didn't even know it. Broadband is better. Everyone can be secure if they just follow a few simple rules to surfing the web.

    1) Don't download things unless you know what they do.
    2) Get rid of IE
    3) have a good virus scanner/spyware scanner

    Staying on dialup is like saying that a bike is more reliable and therefore better than a car. Cars might break down every once in a while but if you need to get somewhere they're much better than bikes.

    1. Re:How can you not have spyware? by pyrotic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A bike is "better" than a car. I'm not just counting reliability here, speed in my city for 4 wheeled traffic average is about 12 miles/hour, on a bike you can easily sustain 15, take shortcuts, etc. And don't get me started on parking, insurance and congestion charges in this crazy city (London). The one thing cars are good for is carrying heavy stuff. And navigating brain-dead highway interchanges. And running over pedestrians. And safe drink driving. OK, maybe cars are good for something.

  4. Re:Oh dear god what a stupid idea/concept by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's take the question seriously for a moment, for fun.

    Is there an argument for this? No.

    You can simply unplug your net cable at night. So why be stuck with an expensive slow connection?

    I think this ask slashdot question was a trolling experiment. :)

  5. Broadband Plus OS X by MadMacSkillz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Broadband + OS X = Problem Solved. Oh NO, someone will mod my post DOWN and it will hurt my KARMA! Oh dear! Now I'll need to sleep with a nightlight.

    --
    Music - www.richardmac.com
    1. Re:Broadband Plus OS X by ninja_assault_kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Broadband + = Problem Solved

      Speaking as a Mac user and security researcher, your post is completely retarded.

      1) OSX is no more or less inherently secure than Windows.
      2) It's currently far more profitable for me to discover a flaw in MS than it is in OSX. Almost 10x more actually.

  6. Bin the dial-up by Jaknet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fully agree with all the above advice and my 2p's (uk) worth is that at times you can be safer on broadband instead of dial-up. For example if you have a cable modem (dont know how it works on adsl so keeping quiet)then you have NO risk of some dodgy dialler software getting in and changing your dial-up number to a premium rate number because it's not connected to the phone line at all !!!

    Enjoy the speed and "almost" always on. broadband

  7. Dial up hijacking by Mr.Ziggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You do have a risk that none of us on broadband have: Dial-up Hijacking. Malware on your computer changes your dial-up settings in Windows, and you end up dialing to a pay number in another country, and VERY expensive. Many people don't notice it, until you get your phone bill. You don't hear about dialers as much now, but they're still out there. Am I just showing my age? http://www.internetbasedmoms.com/articles2/modem-h ijacking.htm

  8. Security through lack of reward. by RingDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do people rob banks and not homeless people? Because there is money in the bank, but the homeless person is likely broke.

    A dial up connections obviously can't put out the same load that a broad band connection can. So it would stand to reason that a zombie net creater would be less interested in the computer. But most zombie net creater's are trying to get a huge number of PCs over a wide region, so while your PC isn't is sweet as a Win 98 box on a 5 meg DSL line, it is still another zombie. and it would likely be harder for the creators to make a filter to ignore your machine.

    Same for spy/adware. Your machine isn't the best, but it is another machine.

    so this is not obscurity he was preaching, it was desirablility he was preaching, albeit incorrectly.

    -Rick

    --
    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  9. Re:Crack my CPC-464! by ettlz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ah 64k of RAM (48k of which was available to the user), that takes me back.

    Remember Spindizzy, that isometric 3D game with all the different screens to explore? The whole map fit in 11 kiB.

    They don't make them like they used to.

  10. Re:Oh dear god what a stupid idea/concept by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What happened to that good old technique I like to call "turning your computer off when not in use" (TM)? It surprising has some side benefits, like lowering your energy bill!!!