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Buzz Aldrin's Roadmap to Mars

FleaPlus writes "Former astronaut (and MIT astronautics grad) Buzz Aldrin has an article in last months Popular Mechanics in which he describes a plan for manned Mars missions. Aldrin's plan proposes using a Cycler spacecraft permanently orbiting between Earth and Mars. This would have a shielded habitat and rotation-induced gravity, and would take just 5 months to reach Mars. Smaller vehicles would take astronauts to and from the Cycler. Aldrin claims the plan is less costly and more sustainable than NASA's current plans."

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  1. Cheaper? The space industry begs to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buzz's plan may be cheaper than the NASA's current plan, but pass on his plan to NASA and the space industry and they'll inflate the price tag like he cannot believe.

    Still, the Congress might buy it.

    (sorry for a troll...)

  2. MMMMM, orbital donut. by Panascooter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not only is he an MIT grad with a doctorate, he's got a moon crater named after him, and he has flown into space with Homer Simpson. With credentials like that I don't know how anyone could doubt his wisdom.

    1. Re:MMMMM, orbital donut. by oh_bugger · · Score: 2, Funny

      His last mission was a failure though, he never did find out if ants could be trained to sort tiny screws in space.

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  3. One hell of a guy. by Paperweight · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:One hell of a guy. by Big+Nothing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Has this guy lived or what?"

      WARNING: Clicking on the link in parent post is bound to result in severe depression and feelings of inadequacy!

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  4. Re:Buzz Aldrin by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

    He has a girlfriend at his age? Good for him!

    -jcr

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  5. Re:Has the slashcode changed? by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Before this feature, articles like this would simply never appear on the main page unless users configured their homepage to include all articles from the section (in this case "Science"). Now, these non-front-page articles get a small footprint at least.

  6. Research paper on Aldrin's work by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dug around a little and found the following abstract detailing an older version of Buzz Aldrin's work. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a free link to the actual paper...

    Evolutionary space transportation plan for Mars cycling concepts
    Aldrin, Buzz; Byrnes, Dennis; Jones, Ron; Davis, Hubert
    AIAA Space 2001 Conference and Exposition

    A promising new human Mars exploration approach based on the use of an Earth-Mars Cycling Interplanetary Transportation System is described. In this approach, a cycling vehicle acts as a permanently emplaced transportation element that continuously cycles between the Earth and Mars using gravity assist with minimal course adjustment on each cycle eliminating the need to repeat the large and expensive injection propellant requirement of traditionally conceived Mars vehicles and missions. With the implementation of a two Cycler system, one Cycler would always be going to Mars while the other is returning to Earth. When in the vicinity of the Earth or Mars, the Cyclers release or are intercepted by smaller aerobraking "taxis" that ferry people and supplies to and from the surface. Alternatively, in the Semi-Cycler Concept, the Cycler vehicles themselves would use aerobraking and gravity assist to orbit about the Earth or Mars for a period before returning. In this way, unmanned cargo flights to Mars could use the minimum energy, long trip time trajectories while crewed flights could use the shorter flight time, longer stay time options. Both concepts are addressed in the paper, and the results of preliminary flight mechanics analyses are presented. In addition, a transportation plan is presented based upon a logical extension of existing space assets augmented by new vehicles providing a reusable transportation capability.


  7. So...... by mofomojo · · Score: 2, Funny

    .... when do we get to blow zombies' heads off from Hell?

    Soon, rite?

    >:D

  8. Plans... by Elitist_Phoenix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems like this guy came out up with his plans only after NASA released theirs. Story of his life, always second.

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  9. Think Big by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Without the ISS there would be no space tourism. You need to have a destination to sell before you get customers. A flight to Mars could be done with something like an extended apollo program, with similar non-reusable hardware, but you can't make money off that.

    If money is not being made the US taxpayers will have to pay for the whole thing and I really can't see that happening in this day and age.

    But wealthy people would pay for a cruise on the continous shuttle system Buzz is proposing. I think it is the right way to go.

    And good on him for punching Bart Sibrel

    1. Re:Think Big by Oldsmobile · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think NASA should just cut all the manned missions and concentrate on space probes. Much more information for the buck.

      However, I do think going to mars would be worth doing, IF they got smart about it (and yes, I realize they need the ISS for learning how to go to mars, but the ISS isn't designed to be a precursor to a mars mission). The "one way" idea I thought was worth exploring, put some risk into it, that risk might be worth taking. You know, the one where they send one rocket a year with more and more equipment, but no return fuel, only equipment later to manufacture their own return fuel and hopefully a permanent mars base.

      NASA is overly concerned with human life and the propaganda fall out of losing astronauts to be an effective exploration organization. Fireman and racecardrivers take risks in daily life, I'm sure they would find plenty of skilled volunteers for a one way mission.

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  10. Yes but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It only works if we find water on the moon and water on mars. Doesn't that mean this plan is science fiction? Or should billions be invested on a maybe?

    1. Re:Yes but ... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Did the Columbus set out on a 'maybe' we'll find a shorter path to India by going around the other way?

      Columbus is quite possibly the luckiest fsck-up in history. He completely miscalculated the size of the Earth (never mind that the ancient Greeks had managed to get it right) and would have starved if he hadn't blundered into the Americas. And yet, despite this, and despite not being the first person to "find" this land mass (the American "Indians", the Vikings, and the Chinese all having been there first), despite kidnapping and enslaving natives, he gets remembered as some kind of a hero of exploration.

      We ought to use more genuine heroes for comparison when advocating space exploration.

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    2. Re:Yes but ... by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Informative
      Clementine indicated that there may be water ice on the moon; however, this was not confirmed by the later impact of Lunar Prospector, so further investigation will be needed. Mars Express indicated that there is very probably water on Mars - in the polar icecaps, and in subsurface permafrost.

      And water is one of many simple, universal compounds. Even thought there are no great heaping pools of it on the Moon and Mars, it's bound up by chemical activity in the minerals there. It can be cracked out easily enough through heating. And if a spacecraft uses fuel cells, they'll be able to carry significant quantities of hydrogen and oxygen aboard their ship as propellant, atmosphere, and fuel to produce electricity and water. Water isn't really the biggest challenge; dealing with the radiation that lashes the Martian surface is a bigger challenge.

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    3. Re:Yes but ... by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nobody seems to have the courage of Columbus any more. In his time he put forth a half thought idea that sailing west he may end up in the east.

      Well, everyone at the time was pretty much certain world was round, and that if you sailed west far enough you would end up in the east. That wasn't new or revolutionary, it was commonly accepted knowledge.

      The interesting thing Columbus did was convince some brain addled religous zealots to agree with his half-thought maths about the size of the world. There's probably something to be said about a stupid man's spectacular failure being more impressive than a smart man's prudent inaction. There's also something to be said for not starving to death in the middle of the ocean.

  11. Buzz has accomplished 3 things in his life by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Funny

    that I always wanted to do:

    Fly into space.

    Walk on the Moon.

    Punch Bart Sibrel in the face. :)

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  12. Mars belongs to China? by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a dangerous time for NASA. People are getting older there (as if they weren't before) But is the US education system producing enough people to fill the void and meet tomorrow's challenges? Will we make it to mars in less than 18 yrs as many are predicting or will the red planet be claimed by a rising red star?

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    1. Re:Mars belongs to China? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Education is not given it is taken. If someone is smart and able to be the chronic over achiever that is typically hired by the NASA space program you'll be able to get all that is needed out of even the worst education system. Sure an education system may if it's good make a mediocre person better but it wont make a retard smart or if it's bad, a genius dumb. Of course 97% of the people in the US are mediocre and that is why a good school system and education is important.

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  13. Read TFA and... by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There seem to be a lot of 'extra' expenses that his plan depends upon.... like a permanent base on the moon, a permanent fuel depot and manufacturing plant on Mars (already in place) not to mention that he calls for two Cycler type ships not one... plus the multiple CEVs to actually realize the goal of sustainability. There's more but I'll let you read it yourself.

    It's a nice plan but do I see a plan that's cheaper? Hell no, If the goal is to GET to Mars.

    If the goal is to create an interplanetary transit system then sure, this is definitely the way to go.

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  14. Buzz's Sci-Fi Books by The_Doughboy · · Score: 2

    I've always loved Buzz, he actually wrote about this stuff in his Sci-Fi book Encounter With Tiber. In it he also wrote about the "Big Can" method of building the space station, ie. build the Space Station out of the spent fuel tanks. I think he also had space stations at Lagrange points.

  15. Re:What's with the parenthetical? by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who cares what school he's gone to?

    I think it's rather relevant that he has an astronautics doctorate from MIT when the submission is about a plan for spacecraft which exploit interplanetary transport orbits.

  16. Mars missions by White+Yeti · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw this referred to in the Encyclopedia Astronautica (no images). There's also a section that lists the "leading" proposed manned Mars missions.