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MacWorld MacBook Only a Prototype?

mahju writes "Hard Mac is reporting that Apple's, unoffical, response in Paris to the the lack of information on battery life, is that the MacBook Pro that were demoed at Mac World SF are only prototypes and the final versions are still under development. "

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  1. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by minimunchkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I take your point, but the Express Card 34 slot provides even faster I/O and allows for dual Firewire 800 on one card. If I had to choose one over the other then I would make the same choice as Apple, particularly as it allows for much improved video options in the future.

  2. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Informative

    I should also note that while FireWire 800 appears to be dead or at least resting (or perhaps available via an ExpressCard/34 card) with regard to the Intel-based Macs that have been announced to date, FireWire as a standard won't be going anywhere for a while.

  3. Re:Wow by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Informative

    Considering that it has always been known that the MacBook Pro wouldn't be shipping for another month or so, and was in fact represented as such, is it any surprise that units displayed a month and a half before the unit started shipping wouldn't yet, well, you know, be shipping units?

    I was foolish, and gave in to the marketing and ordered a MacBook Pro. (Oh, but the thrill of being an early adopter!)

    Estimated shipping date for the UK: February 15th. So, just over a month between the announcement and the machines being available - I would expect that the computer's design was either finalised or in the very final stages, what with all the RF emissions tests, safety certification and so on which would be required to actually sell such a device.

    The ones at MacWorld might have been development machines, but they were probably very, very close to what's actually going to ship...

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  4. Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you were at Macworld, and had a chance to check out the MacBook Pro, the fact that putting them to sleep, or removing the battery would lock up the machines was a dead giveaway that they were pre-production units. Not to mention the fact that all the Apple staff on hand were telling attendees, "These are not shipping units, they are pre-production models." According to one Apple employee, the machines were still undergoing battery testing, hence why no one had any information on battery life.

  5. Re:Explains alot by David+Munch · · Score: 2, Informative

    2. You can still buy the entire range of G4 laptops
    At Apple's financial conference last wednesday, Steve-J announced that the G4 laptops/iMac G5 is only available as long as stock lasts, which probably wont be long since Apple has a 2-4 weeks stock on both.
    unoffical, response in Paris to the the lack of information on battery life
    At the same conference, Steve-J also said that the MacBook should have comparable battery-life to the PBG4, which would mean ~5,5 hours, according to Apple tech notes.

  6. Yeah, typical Apple... other vendors too... by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is standard procedure for Apple. Other vendors do it too, but Apple is a bit worse.

    Way back in the pre-Carly days, when HP did engineering, I found HP to be the only vendor for which it was always seemed to be true that if you saw a glossy ad for an interesting product, you could order it and get it delivered. Everyone else played the game of announcing what they hoped would be ready soon and crossing their fingers.

    The most egregious Steveism of this kind I can remember occurred in the year that they announced the first G4 PowerMacs. (The G4 processor included the "Altivec" instruction extensions which could produce dramatic speedups in applications specially coded to take advantage of them).

    It was in the early fall of 1999, the rumor sites had reported--accurately, it eventually transpired--that Apple was having trouble with their new motherboards and "the G4's" wouldn't ship until calendar 2000.

    Steve talked about the G4 processor and repeatedly referred to "these machines." He then proceeded to demonstrate a unit that had a redesigned motherboard ("Sawtooth") with a faster bus, faster video chips, and many other speedups. With an implied smirk at the rumor sites, he said "and these machines are shipping NOW."

    The only thing was, the machines that were shipping "now" were not the machines he had just demonstrated, but a machine that used a "Yikes!" motherboard, essentially the previous motherboard with minimal modifications to allow incorporation of a G4 processor. So, his words were literally true (machines with G4 processors were shipping now), but somewhat misleading... they weren't the "machines" he was showing... and performance was broadly comparable to the previous generation of machines, except in a very few applications (Photoshop) that took advantage of Altivec.

    Of course, everyone remembers the initial introduction of the Mac... when the machine he unveiled on the stage spoke, using the MacInTalk speech synthesizer... although MacInTalk would not run in the 128K Macs that Apple was actually shipping.

  7. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't really like that entry in the FAQ. Pretty much the same (or contextually similar) arguments could have been made for SCSI in the late nineties. SCSI usage was increasing, the system was used by the bulk of scanners and many other critical systems, and it was supported in all new Macs.

    Until it wasn't. Suddenly the iMac comes out, and has no SCSI. Almost immediately the Blue and White G3s come out, sans SCSI (with lip-service paid in the form of an optional plug in card) Firewire is supposedly the replacement, but it isn't really, no Mac ships with Firewire hard-disks or optical media, it's IDE that's the replacement. In the space of months, SCSI goes from being central to the Mac experience to being an optional extra. The system is not directly replaced, it's just dropped. The "External peripheral that needs a large amount of bandwidth" capability is maintained by introducing Firewire, but there's little evidence right now that high-speed USB or high-speed Ethernet couldn't be used in a similar way, especially with SAN becoming increasingly mainstream.

    Firewire support being capped at FW400 is a big deal. It represents a net downgrade of the technology, and suggests Apple doesn't see themselves using it, either by choice or by their increasing reliance on Intel, at some point in the future. Unless this is a temporary aberation, brought about by short term needs to get a box, any box, out there, I think it's safe to suggest that Apple isn't planning on further development of the technology.

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  8. I tried the battery at MacWorld, it was horrible by pbooktebo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I knew there was something wrong the minute I pulled the power plug on a MacBook at MacWorld. The Apple employee kept trying to plug it back in. I wanted to read what the estimated battery life would be (it displays right on the screen). I told him that I knew this wasn't a final number, but that I wanted to see what it would estimate. I left the cord out for a minute until the reading settled...

    It said 2:37 minutes on a full charge.

    Then someone invited us to an iSight videoconference and it dropped to 1:50 (still on a full charge).

    The employee didn't tell me that these were pre-production, but he did say the unit was still under testing, including all the thermals that control the fan, and that that would really eat battery. He also said that the screen was much brighter and that would eat more power (and he's right, I had my 1.5Ghz PowerBook with me and took it out for comparison. The MacBook looked almost two times brighter to the eye).

    I feel pretty confident that they'll get good battery life in the final unit, but it was odd how they skirted the issue instead of simply announcing that these models weren't good predictors of battery life (all the forums were FILLED with just this topic, and even this story carries it forward, where if they had addressed it, the question would be settled--just wait, it will come).

  9. Re:Explains Alot by jaoswald · · Score: 2, Informative

    The key thing is the 1x1GB custom memory configuration.

    If you are willing to take the 512 MB (1x512) configuration, you can get it shipped from the Apple Store online in 24 hours.

  10. Re:MacBook s-video/composite? YES by redwoodtree · · Score: 4, Informative
  11. MacBook Pro Speeds... by craigtheguru · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was able to run some real-world benchmarks on the preproduction MacBooks at MacWorld and wrote this MacBook Pro Performance Analysis. I compared the new laptops to previous G4/G5 systems and found that the new MacBooks are indeed faster than most previous systems. Nobody expected the old G4 PowerBook to come out on top but I was surprised how well the new Core Duo performed.

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  12. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have *never* seen a DV camcorder that was USB-only, and most of them only have USB for transfer of still images and some for static (non-realtime) transfer of archived video. Most DV and HDV cameras are, in fact, FireWire only and have no USB at all.

  13. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Informative

    My digital camcorder has a USB out and a FireWire out. If you want to transfer "proper" video from it, you must use the FireWire out; the USB out can only be used to transfer stuff off the SD card. That means (crap) still photos and (crap, very short) low-quality movies.

  14. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Firewire may be replaced by the external SATA interface. Go to http://www.comeacross.info/ and download episode 5 for more info.

  15. Re:Let's wait for Rev 2 to decide by Jord · · Score: 1, Informative
    As another Independent Macintosh Developer I will be happy to respond. If it makes sense, switch now. Don't put it off any longer. Every day you continue developing for Windows is another day of pain compared to switching to Cocoa and Objective-C development.

    There are so many arguments for switching. One of the best was laid out by Wil Shipley. If you have not read his blog, I strongly suggest that you do.

    I have been a developer for over 20 years. I have gone through numerous languages and operating systems in that time. When I started working with Objective-C and Cocoa is was like coming in from the cold.

    I think Shipley said it best in a podcast interview over at Cocoa Radio (paraphrased):

    Microsoft is it's own best customer. As long as their development tools work for them, they do not really care if they are hard to use by anyone else. The harder their tools are to use, the less competition they will have. Apple needs developers. It is incumbent upon them to make development for OS X as easy as possible.

    If you want to get into Objective-C Aaron Hillegass has an excellent book out. Follow through the examples in that book and you will be up to speed in no time. If you already have Java, C and/or C++ under your belt, the transition is simple.

  16. Re:Prototype by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The switch from 32 bit to 64 bit isn't really so major. Apple already did it with the G5 and is doing again (in reverse) with the Intel machines. MS managed to go from 16-bit to 32 and now to 64 with no hiccups.

    The difference is that 64-bit is a strict superset of 32-bit so all your 32-bit software will run.

    You're quite correct though that any 64-bit software will probably have trouble on 32-bit machines. Regular software doesn't tend to upgrade very fast though. I suspect 32-bit Macs (and PCs) have quite a bit of software running life in them yet.

  17. Re:I think the lack of high-speed firewire is news by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are companies that sell Firewire 800 adapters that you can plug in through the Express slot, which will run at full Firewire 800 speed. Firewire 800 was probably left out of the MacBook Pro for space and cost reasons.

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