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Sweden To Be Oil-Free By 2020

Philoneist.com writes "Treehugger is reporting that the 'Minister for Sustainable Development Mona Sahlin has declared that Sweden is going to become the first country in the world to break the dependence on fossil energy.'" Sweden's hope is to have all of the country's energy supplied by only renewable resources, ridding the country of cars that run on gasoline and oil-heated homes.

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  1. So.... by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... how tough is the immigration process?

    1. Re:So.... by grazzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just write: "american" under nationality and "political pressure" under reason for applying.

      Welcome to sweden!

    2. Re:So.... by masklinn · · Score: 4, Informative

      What he says is probably true, even though I reckon you wouldn't even have to do that.

      Sweden is a very friendly country, and swedish isn't even a de jure official language, only de facto and most swedes are very good english speakers. So you could probably manage to live there without knowing any swedish at first, picking it up as you go.

      For more informations, head to the Swedish Migration Board and Sweden Abroad, it'd be a much better source than /.

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  2. Beware, summary kinda misleading. by Colde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will only be free of oil in 2020. Other renewable energy sources will first be fased out later. Which also makes more sense considering Swedens large dependancy of Nuclear Energy.

  3. Why are they still building houses with oil heatin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (Stupid subject length restriction)

    Why are they still building houses with oil heating?

    Similarly why build power stations that burn oil or gas?

    They seem horribly short sighted developments to me.

    Sweden should be applauded for trying to dump fossil fuels, but it will be a lot to ask for in only 14 years. However if it means the development of alternatives (where there's a market there's a will) then by the time the rest of the world starts realising they need to do it as well the technology should be a lot cheaper.

    Britain is looking at generating 20% of its power needs from tidal/wave power, however I think the more sensible nuclear power station route will be taken eventually.

  4. Iceland by jynus · · Score: 5, Informative
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  5. Wrong section... by Malor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldn't this be in 'Politics', not "Hardware'?

    1. Re:Wrong section... by PrayingWolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sweden is a *BIG* piece of hardware :)
      right?

  6. Not just Sweden by little1973 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole world will be oil free by 2020, because oil will be too expensive to use as a fuel. Do not forget, the peak is near.

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    1. Re:Not just Sweden by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The whole world will be oil free by 2020, because oil will be too expensive to use as a fuel. Do not forget, the peak is near.

      Although we may not have passed peak production yet, if you take price-to-extract and new reserve discovery rates into consideration, we passed peak a few years ago.

      However! I too used to worry about peak oil, until I learned to stop worrying and love the methane hydrate ice.

      You've probably heard of it, but don't realize just how much the planet has... Seriously on the order of 20x the world's total oil reserves, in terms of energy capacity.

      On the down side, current estimates put the breakeven price of extraction at around $90 per-barrel-equivalent. So it won't let us keep driving cheap-fuel-sucking SUVs forever (Then again, I consider that a good thing*), but we don't need to worry about the global economy collapsing overnight due to literally running out of gas.



      * - I've said for years that as the single best thing the US could do for the planet, tax the hell out of fuel oil (though possibly not heating oil, but that gets into a regulatory nightmare considering that you can use diesel and #2 interchangeably, sulfur emmissions aside) to put it at over $10/gallon. Not only would the extra tax revenue allow reducing other taxes, but people would have a strong financial incentive to drive less, carpool more, and buy more efficient vehicles.

    2. Re:Not just Sweden by nativequeue · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > However! I too used to worry about peak oil, until I learned to stop worrying and love the methane hydrate ice.

      I like the methan hydrate where it is, deep down at ocean floors. We better not dig that up and disperse it in our environment.

      > I've said for years that as the single best thing the US could do for the planet, tax the hell out of fuel oil

      Most EU countries are already doing this. Thats why diesel fuel used for heating homes is colored, its not taxed the same way as diesel for automobiles is.

    3. Re:Not just Sweden by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whether Peak Oil will happen in 2020 (or sooner/or later) does not mean Oil will disappear overnight. What will happen is what happened in the 1970s: an "Oil Shock".

      An Oil Shock, in turn, means there will be tremendous economic problems to be solved, but it does not mean the End of the World. I suspect a lot of people will adapt to the new circumstances. They won't like it, but they will adapt, because this is what humans do best.

      In the worst possible case, I think governments will strongly intervene -- they will have to -- to guarantee (and subsidize) oil supplies to the most crucial consumers (food producers, electricity producers, emergency responders, armed forces) while the rest of us will have to use mass transportation and convert ASAP to a regimen of energy efficiency and renewable energy.

      That really sucks if you live in a country with poor mass transportation like, uh... 90% of the United States. It's going to be mostly OK in many European countries, where mass transportation (including high-speed trains) is already a fact of life and renewable energies are being increasingly adopted. I am not saying it will be a walk in the park, because it won't be, but most wealthy countries consume too much energy and waste so much of it.

      Other things that will be very dodgy will be the survival of airlines and of most cargo ships. But, even there, there are solutions: blimps, for instance, are much more efficient than airplanes energy-wise, and can cross the Atlantic in a couple of days at most. Clipper ships, that are powered by wind, the ultimate renewable energy, can be brought back from the dead and maintain vital commercial links between continents. I also strongly suspect that nuclear-powered giant cargoes will be used in the near future, if Peak Oil becomes a reality.

      Sure, these are slow methods of transcontinental transportation, but it's better than no transportation at all.

      And, of course, it is a lot more efficient to organize teleconferences and email links than it is to send people from one end of the world to the other anyway.

      Finally, don't forget that an Oil Shock will make all other sources of energy economically viable. Wind, Solar, Sea Tides, Geothermal, etc. will all become competitive once the price of Oil goes through the roof. And that's a good thing as far as I am concerned, since Oil consumption is also one of the major reasons Global Warming is taking place...

      For more information on this, I do recommend the many documents published by the Rocky Mountain Institute, including "Winning the Oil End Game". Recommended readings before you start to panic.

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    4. Re:Not just Sweden by Minwee · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "I've said for years that as the single best thing the US could do for the planet, tax the hell out of fuel oil to put it at over $10/gallon.

      ...and then get voted out of office less than four years later in the biggest landslide since Atlantis. That's assuming that the riots don't topple the administration first.

      The biggest problem with the democratic system is that after a while the voters start to think that they should be running things.

    5. Re:Not just Sweden by TallMatthew · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That really sucks if you live in a country with poor mass transportation like, uh... 90% of the United States. It's going to be mostly OK in many European countries, where mass transportation (including high-speed trains) is already a fact of life and renewable energies are being increasingly adopted. I am not saying it will be a walk in the park, because it won't be, but most wealthy countries consume too much energy and waste so much of it.

      There's a good reason the US doesn't have the mass transporation of European countries.

      The United States is bigger than all of them put together.

      Mass transportation will never be efficient except in the most densely-populated urban areas, where people live and commute within a small radius of one another. That's just not going to happen in rural communities. Too, public transportation doesn't work in cities that are laid out over a large area, e.g. Los Angeles.

      Driving isn't just a part of the American lifestyle, for many people it's part of who they are. We identify ourselves with our cars; rightly or wrongly, they are part of our psychological makeup. Anyone that wants to govern in this country knows that they must provide the citizenry with automobiles and fuel. They just have to. I don't know what's going to happen when the reserves are depleted. I mean, it's entire plausible we'd send our troops to war on account of oil.

      Oh, wait.

  7. Ridiculous by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, in 14 years, every car currently on the road in Sweden will be obsolete? Illegal? Will they be making outlaws of classic car collectors? The Swedish automobile industry must be much larger and more advanced than I had ever dreamed, to pull this off. They're going to have to develop affordable new cars with a completely different architecture, since used cars won't be usable. Is the government going to reimburse people whose vehicles are unusable and unsellable? And can every single driver in the country afford a brand new car? A brand new domestically made car, even?

    Somehow I don't think they thought this through.

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    1. Re:Ridiculous by k-sound · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ridiculous indeed, imagine a Swedish car manufacturer making a car that doesn't use fossil fuel.
      That could never happen !

  8. Oh well by Cee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To quote my grandmother, don't believe everything you read in newspapers. And to that I would like to add: don't believe everything you hear from politicians. Of course, I agree that we can't continue our dependency on oil and it's nice when people have visions. But will it happen by 2020? Sadly, I don't think so. (Bias: I'm a Swede.)

  9. The Swedes can do it if anyone can by LeninZhiv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heck, they already managed to change from driving on the left to driving on the right--that's more than most countries could pull off!

  10. Fossil Energy independane? Only half the work by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Get free of all the other items made using fossil fuels as well. Otherwise what are you really doing? There are many items made with fossil fuels that could be made with alternatives, provided someone would want to pay for it.

    This whole idea sounds more like a "feel good" program. All those "tax benefits" to encourage the switch look good but are only to bait the hook but as with any tax used to change behaviour it will not generate the income necessary long term and new sources will be needed. Look at the "congestion tax" - do they expect vehicle use to drop so much as the original reason behind the tax is no longer applicable?

    Oh well, best of luck. I think the time table is ludicrous but if they can pull it off then maybe the rest of the world can learn. If not at least one country will be slightly better off.

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  11. Riiight. by __aagctu1952 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are the same people who are shutting down perfectly good and safe nuclear reactors in favor of importing electric power from dirty Danish and Polish coal plants and (oh the irony) old Soviet graphite reactors in the Baltics. Oh, and did I mention that this has led to the country not having enough power to support peak demand during winter (politicians seem to be unable to grasp the difference between electric power and energy)? The only good thing in the whole mess is that their previous pipe dream goal ("nuclear free Sweden by 2010") has no chance of being met...

    They are also the same people who have set the goal of "0 traffic deaths" - and honestly believe that they'll reach it.

    There's truly nothing to see here. Move along.

  12. So will everyone else by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... which is why the Swedes, the Germans, the Chinese, the Americans and everyone else have to get over their reluctance to embrace nuclear power. As oil gets more scarce, it will get more expensive. After our fourth or fifth hideously expensive war to secure, yet again, access to "our" oil, the politicians will finally run a cost-benefit analysis. The oil will be so expensive that it's just better to let Venezuela, Saudi Arabia or some other OPEC country go to hell and redirect our time and effort into energy independence. Not short-term BS like ANWR or LNG, but the only viable long-term energy option, nuclear fission.

    "But what about all the waste?", cry the environmentalists, "don't despoil Yucca Mountain with those mountains of radioactive waste!" Sooner or later, somebody is going to wake up to the fact that breeder reactors that use fuel recycing produce less than 3% of that high level waste that would go into Yucca. When the volumes are that low, you can just glassify it, sink the glass pieces in an ingot of lead and encase the ingots in 5-ton concrete casks and put them in neat rows in a parking lot somewhere. Put up a razor wire fence and that's that. No chance of anyone stealing it for dirty bombs because the casks are so damned heavy ("physical security"), even if the concrete cracks in 30 years the glass won't go anywhere, and the local town will welcome the jobs for Buford and Billy Joe to walk around the fence thirty times a night at $17.50/hr.

    Don't want a permanent radioactive waste dump on the outskirts of your town? Call it a "Temporary Cask Transit Facility" and shuffle the casks around every now and again to make it look like they aren't there permanently. "Renew the lease" on the land every 10 years to give you an opportunity to re-bribe the new set of elected officials in town, and make sure you paint the casks every year as part of "safety inspections" to keep them looking neat and safe... that will give jobs to Jim Bob and Cyrus, too.

    In the end, you can spend $10,000,000 a year on each of 100 different "Temporary Cask Transit Facilities" for 100 years and still end up cheaper than Yucca Mountain, while offering 1000x the storage capacity.

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  13. Lol boy are you wrong by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I am socialist, I live in holland and ALWAYS vote leftwing and think Holland would do better looking at the swedish model then the american model. I am just aware that a lot of the people here are american and not fully aware what exactly it means to live in places with a large social securit system.

    BUT I do not want to tell americans that they are wrong. They can run their country the way they want to. In such a way I am not taking sides. I do think the swedish system makes a better system for ME, americans would in general feel different.

    Perhaps if you got of your high moral horse for a while you would be able to accept that different people prefer different societies.

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