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Games Are Porn in Utah

GameDailyBiz reports that there is new anti-videogame legislation brewing in both Iowa and Utah. Utah's law is more poorly thought out than most, essentially classifying violent games as porn. From the article: "Meanwhile in Utah, State Rep. David Hogue (R-Riverton) is taking a different approach. Hogue's HB 0257 would seek to amend an existing Utah statute by adding an 'inappropriate violence' clause--such as violence exhibited in some of today's popular video games. Under the existing Utah statute the distribution or showing of pornography and explicit nudity to minors is a felony. Hogue is certainly not the first politician to compare violent video games to pornography. CA Assemblyman Leland Yee and countless others have put playing violent games in the same category as porn or smoking cigarettes."

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  1. Not again by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have yet to hear (from friends, in the press, whatever) from any parent who claimed that he was unable to stop his child from playing these kinds of games and therefore needed a law like this one. These politicians talk about how children are playing inappropriate games, so you would think that they could fine one parent who needs this law. Has there ever been a case of a politicians proposing a law for parents without having a parent vouch for it? Where are these parents supporting these laws???? I want to hear from them!

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    1. Re:Not again by TexVex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It goes like this:

      1> Religion creates the concept of vice
      2> Guilt and fear in the populace create a need to criminalize and/or tax vice
      3> Criminalized vice gives rise to organized crime and makes criminals of ordinary people
      4> Legitimite business buys off legislators
      5> Organized crime buys off judges and prosecutors
      6> Law enforcement gets more tax money to handle the growing criminal populace
      7> The offering plate at church gets more donations from laymen assuaging their guilt
      8> Everybody profits but the average Joe, who gets completely screwed

      Of course, it could be that #2 is the cause of #1 instead; I don't know. Chicken and egg? I say roast the chicken and stuff it with an omelette, that would be yummy.

      It is unfortunate. If society were more open about sexual exploration and the recreational use of pharmaceuticals, and thought that responsible gambling was just fine, and provided socially acceptable outlets for aggressive tendencies, things would be just fine. The government could go about its real duty of providing security (at the national level) and infrastructure (at the local level), and leave all the law-abiding folk to their business.

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  2. Re:Texas taxes too by Eros · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So he is saying that immorality, by his definition, is okay as long as you have the money?

  3. Re:tsk, tsk by catahoula10 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As correct as you are, if enough parents compalin about violence in games then we will see more laws like this one.

    Simple math really.

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  4. Re:Why not add a "material harmful for minors"? by Chowderbags · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have any idea how much violence there is in the Bible? I don't think even GTA showed genocide of entire races, a la the Midianites. Sure, it's a quite a stretch to ban the Bible (well, that and a violation of the first ammendment), but is it any more of a stretch than to ban a video game? What, just because one has thousands of years of entrenchment it should be given a pass?

    I don't think it's right for the government to draw that line, in either case. Besides, aren't there a lot more important issues to deal with?

  5. Re:tsk, tsk by Castar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The video game industry was given awards for their rating system by concerned parent groups and the government. The real problem is that there's a disconnect with parents. To them, "videogames" are like "comics" and "cartoons" - they're for kids. So anything that's a videogame MUST be suitable for little Johnny and there's no need to check any sort of ratings system. So even though a game called "Grand Theft Auto" has a big M - MATURE: VIOLENCE, SEX, REALISTIC BLOOD AND GORE on the cover, it still must be OK for their kid.

    The other problem is that the retailers don't take the ratings as seriously as the movie theater operators do, and frequently sell kids games that aren't meant for them. However, this isn't as big a problem as the other one; it turns out that 84% of games that kids get are bought for them by parents.

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  6. Just More Me Too-ism by blueZhift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just a continuation of the let's ban/restrict "violent" video games political bandwagon. Once these laws have been proposed and struck down in all 50 states and D.C., then things should cool off. Even the stupidest politician must know by now that they can score points with this without the threat that any of these laws will withstand constitutional muster. It's a great way to get yourself in the news on the right side of what is "decent and pure".

  7. This is still a debate? by CuBeFReNZy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe how many people (the politicians/ law figures in particular) are still storming over this issue. And what's worse is the solutions they come up with to fix this alleged problem. Out of all the violence that occurs on our planet, the make-believe and at times imaginative forms is the biggest concern? Please, why not spend the energy alleviating the ACTUAL violence that consumes many people's lives, and which hardly even stems from fictional violence...

  8. Re:Parental control by Babbster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thus, while I wouldn't want violent VGs marked as porn, we do want/need some sort of effective rating system.

    We do have such a rating system. Hell, I'm 33, huge with a bushy beard and a register monkey at Target tried to card me when buying an M-rated game - probably because he thought it was funny, but the important thing is that the register stopped him and reminded him that the game had a "not for little kids" rating.

    These videogame laws are attempting to criminalize something which I don't think should be criminal. In fact, in the case of Utah the result of their law (if it held up, which it won't) would be to make it a felony for a parent to let their minor child play GTA3 or Medal of Honor. The article doesn't contain the actual text of the amendment, but if it's as vague as they say an adult could go to jail for showing Serenity to a 17-year-old, let alone giving them a copy of Call of Duty. The Iowa law is hardly better since someone would have to determine on a case-by-case basis which games would cause a violation and the "offender" would still end up with a friggin' criminal record.

    These legislators are just trying to get publicity. I doubt they truly give a rat's ass about videogame content or they would recognize that the ESRB sets some good guidelines and at least reference those standards when constructing their patently unconstitutional laws...

  9. ok....? by TRRosen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't this make it illegal to show "the Passion" to a minor?