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Google's Action Makes A Mockery Of Its Values

Jason Jardine linked us to a well written piece discussing how Google has thus far promised to Do No Evil, but their recent decisions regarding censorship in china make a mockery of those values. We've been following this story all along, but I thought this article makes good food for thought.

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  1. Just one thing.... by IAAP · · Score: 3, Interesting
    By taking on the filtering themselves, Google is making the statement to Chinese citizens that they support their government's censorship, whereas if they stood their ground and kept the search results uncensored, at least some Chinese citizens using out-of-country proxies would be able to use the search engine to its fullest extent.

    How would the Chinese people know about the censorship if no one tells them about it? Their government controls their media and as far as the average person would be concerned, there's nothing going on.

    Remember a few years ago when that Chinese jet crashed into that E-3? As far as the chinese citizens were concerned, that prop driven E-3 chased down that fighter jet and brought it down. All according to their government.

  2. Re:Sheer Hypocrisy by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is age old moral relativism...

    Should I stop another culture from allowing the use of dangerous fireworks?
    Should I stop another culture from caning people?
    Should I stop another culture from restricting trade on the latest gee-whiz makes your life easier device?
    Should I stop another culture from oppressing freedom of speech and religion?
    Should I stop another culture from systematically sexually and physically abusing a minority group?
    Should I stop another culture from allowing slavery?
    Should I stop another culture from committing genocide?

    Saying that we shouldn't impose our values on another culture is fine, but only to a certain point. Maybe we should allow them to censor information, but definitely we shouldn't make it easier for them to do so. There has to be a line somewhere, and our opposition to any culture should be proportional to how far along a "continuum of evil" they are. I think that today we shouldn't be helping China censor their population.

  3. FBI and China - two difficult moral decisions by daveb · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think they chose well on both - and they were very different issues. There is a world of difference between the FBI issue and the China one.

    With the FBI case, a goverment was asking (demanding) that Google hand over search logs which would seriously comprimise the privacy, and perhaps the security, of a large number of citizens. Google said "naff off" - and kudos to them. I wish Yahoo and MS had the balls to do the same (but I wouldn't expect it)

    With China, a goverment is requiring that Google not allow it's citizens access to certain data. Google have agreed. I think it's a shame but I can understand Google following national laws - especially when it has no privacy or survaliance result. I suspect the alternative would be that Google would be blocked from the Chinese national firewalls. In either case the citizens are prevented from accessing the search results. With this result the citizens do not have reduced access (they'd be blockedone way or another) but google retains a presence

    Now - if Google were also handing over the logs of failed search requests then it would be a double standard and hypocrisy, and definitly "doing evil". As it stands I think the two issues are quite seperate. I also think they've come to a reasonably good conclusion when faced with very difficult moral questions

  4. The Cuba Theory - makes China More Free by wsanders · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Making almost everything accessible in as open a way as possible under the circumstances is the best way to make China more free. Most Chinese are aware their government is corrupt, that they have serious envionmental issues to work through, and that Falun Gong is a harmless cult.

    This is my Cuba Theory - if instead of the stupid policy we have now the US opened up our borders to Cuba, allowed free trade and free communication even within the limitations of Castro's murderous regime, Cuba would be a free and prosperous democracy in months, not years, and Castro would live out his days happily doddering away in retirement.

    The same IS WORKING NOW from China. Because we opened our doors, China is a better and freer place every day.

    Of course, we are utterly dependent on Chinas' good will, and soom half of America will be scrubbing toilets for Red Army officers, but hey that's progress.

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  5. Google should publish the filter list by mcguirez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hold up to public scrutiny what China wants to hide.

    Publish the blocked list.

    While this doesn't solve the problem of Google pandering to the Chinese regime, it can demonstrate to the rest of the world exactly what China is afraid will unbalance it's leaderships power. Raising the visibility of banned authors and topics will help undermine their attempt to limit knowledge.

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  6. Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn by mcvos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But in support of the "something will filter through" position, I offer you this:

    http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen&svnum=1 0&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&start=80&sa=N

    I see two tank pictures there.

  7. Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn by benjjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a more telling example is a search for "falun gong" on each google site. the one's at .cn are clearly anti-FG propaganda, while .com results mostly document chinese gov abuses of FG practitioners. in this cases, it looks like google isn't simply censoring search results, it's helping the chinese gov't to spread propaganda.