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The New Boom

DarkClown writes "Wired is running a piece discussing the recovery from the burst Bubble in Silicon Valley. This time, though, it's no Bubble: it's a Boom. They suggest that this latest boom, fueled by Google's ascent, is under steadier footing than last time. Technology and the market seems to be catching up to the hype." From the article: "A boom perhaps, but not (phew!) a bubble. There's a difference. Bubbles are inflated with hot air and speculation. They end with a wet pop, leaving behind messy splatters. Booms, on the other hand, tend to have strong foundations and gentle conclusions. Bubbles can be good: They spark a huge amount of investment that can make things easier for the next generation, even as they bankrupt the current one. But booms - with their more rational allocation of capital - are better. The problem is that exuberance can make it hard to tell one from the other."

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  1. Oh, no hot air, I see... by dachshund · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when Amazon.com was selling for hundreds of dollars a share, that was ridiculous. But when Google is selling for $434 per share, everything's just fine. Because, um, they sell advertising, or something.

    1. Re:Oh, no hot air, I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly- and also they have few hard assets. The google price, in my opinion, is of people being scared sh*tless of missing the next microsoft.
      The issue with google, to paraphrase Matt Drudge from hi radio show, is that right now some 15 year old kid in Idaho or Ohio or Beiijing or Bangalore (insert any place name) is right now working on something that will blow google out of the water, and take the market by storm.
      PS- has anyone ever clicked on a google ad? I haven't.
      BTW-Did anyone notice that Chipolte's stock doubled on the day of their IPO?

    2. Re:Oh, no hot air, I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      PS- has anyone ever clicked on a google ad? I haven't.

      Oh, even if you don't click on them, they're still worth something to the advertiser.

      For example, if I search for "poop" on google, then perhaps an ad will show up saying "Search for poop on eBay!"

      Even if I don't click on the ad, I may happen to read it. This will improve eBay's brand recognition, since it will cause me to think of eBay whenever I see poop.

  2. What if it's a "rush?" by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 4, Funny

    It might not be a bubble or a boom... it could be a rush. I have noticed a lot of grizzled men wandering around the bay area lately. Sure, they might be homeless people, or box car hobos, but they could very well be old prospectors. An abundance of old prospectors is a sure sign of a pending rush.

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  3. Some people just don't learn by pubjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing I learnt from the last bubble (and having read up about other ones in history) people always say "It's different this time..."

  4. Infrastructure not old business model by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Amazon is (just) a department store that runs over the Web. All its tricks are just derivatives of the way that traditional department stores operated - hosting stores within stores, customer accounts, POS advertising. It arose at a time when the infrastructure did not really exist to support it. Google is an enabling technology. It is funded through advertising, but it is something fundamentally new. I'm in the process of completing a personal engineering project. When I look at the stuff I have had to learn and the technology I have had to acquire, it's probable that without Google and the Internet it would have taken several times longer and not worked so well. As for my day job, it would be nearly impossible.

    Google shares are possibly over-hyped, but they reflect a very interesting perception: that the Internet is now good for something, but that we don't know where it is going. We had the mass transit revolution (railways), the personal transit revolution (bicycles, then cars), the communications revolution (telephony.) Now we have the information revolution, and anyone who looks like they are reading meaningful signposts is likely to be highly valued.

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  5. Why economic equality is sometimes bad by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For better or for worse, the stock market used to be something that only those that knew how to invest really did anything with. Those with no clue on how to invest usually just avoided it, or invested in safe mutual funds or big companies like GE or IBM. Then millions of average families got involved, went crazy thinking it was the lottery and lost obscene sums of money.

    I am a pretty good investor, but then my mom taught me the basics of investing. My father and I are two archetypes of investors. He's the type that goes with the flow, whereas I'm conservative with the amount of money I'll invest, but willing to take risks with small companies that I rationally believe have a good shot of growing big. If I had control over my assets in the dotcom era (I was still in high school), I'd have made almost $1,000,000 before taxes and would have ended up keeping the bulk of it after the bubble burst. My father would have lost everything because he never researched what he was investing in, he'd just buy what the latest rag said was a cool company... like most of the Linux "companies" back then.

    The biggest problem we have is that most people don't want to realize that investing is serious work and that it requires that you **learn** what you're doing. It's not the "insert money into slot to double each year for five years" game that they want it to be. Losing everything you invest is a realistic possibility which is why it should come after savings and bills... not before. And if you do nothing but short term investments, you'll only make your broker rich and yourself poor unless you're GOOD at it and have a lot of money to buy in bulk.

    My point is that maybe enough of the casual investors have left that we can move forward now. Google's stock, though, is still a holdover from the .com era. Sorry, but at barely $6.00B in projected revenues for this year, they aren't worth $500/share. If they were consistently making $25B in profit on expenses of $2B, yes, I could see that. God help us, though, when Google utilizes all of its information its indexed to maximize its profits. Privacy won't be just dead, but it'll be publically humiliated, tortured, executed, its body cremated and its ashes unceremoniously pissed on for good measure.

    1. Re:Why economic equality is sometimes bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For better or for worse, the stock market used to be something that only those that knew how to invest really did anything with.

      1929 - Anecdotes of shoe shine boys offering stock tips. So what's your definition of "used to be", because it better not be since then?

      Those with no clue on how to invest usually just avoided it, or invested in safe mutual funds or big companies like GE or IBM.

      1987 - Program trading gets partial blame for the unchecked selloff. Such trading was typically used by mutual funds and directly affected the common stock trade. With that contribution in that situation, a stock trader would not be safe from the influence of "those with no clue".

      Then millions of average families got involved, went crazy thinking it was the lottery and lost obscene sums of money.

      The sad thing I've noticed is that people like to chase 'apparent' fast wealth. "Everyone's getting rich trading plush dolls - I gotta do that.", "Wait, everyone's getting rich trading stocks - I gotta do that.", "Shit, everyone's getting rich trading real estate now - I gotta do that.", etc.

      I'm a value oriented investor so my observation has been that you can profit from the expected hysteria in two ways: beat the trend and occupy a footing before the madness or, wait for the crash and pick up the pieces. The first option requires a lot of effort along with an ability to anticipate the next rage while the second option usually requires A LOT of patience with an understanding of the longterm value. Most of the time I ignore all that, but since we're talking about boom/busts I thought I'd mention it.

      My point is that maybe enough of the casual investors have left that we can move forward now.
      It'll be at least another decade before they return and it won't be the same bunch, but the cycle is inevitable. Those that got burned will probably swear off the market completely (seeing as how most didn't really understand it anyway), but others that missed the boom may be lured by hype in due time.

  6. Definition of a Bubble by LukePieStalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know it's a bubble when people are calling it a "boom".

  7. Re:In the gutter by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd say it's more like one of those belches that brings up stuff from your stomach. When it bursts it doesn't disappear completely like the dot com bubble. It splatters stomach acid (offshoring) that stings your throat and the bile (downsizing) leaves a bitter taste in your mouth. There, can we all just agree on this metaphor?

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  8. Google P/E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As reported by Nasdaq, Google's current P/E is 95, predicted for next year is 36. That means you get 1% return this year. You are predicted to get 3% next year. ING pays 3.80% on a simple savings account today.

    Solid foundation. Right.

  9. historical blindness by elmegil · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This time, though, it's no Bubble: it's a Boom.

    Riiiight. Anyone remember the Wired with the smiley face, subtitled "The Long Boom" claiming that this time it wasn't a bubble?

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