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Games Take Away the Pain

Gamasutra reports on a Wheeling Jesuit University study that indicates gameplaying can allow those with great pain to live more fulfilling lives. From the article: "The Wheeling study compared several different genres of games in their effects on pain. Six types of games were used: action, puzzle, arcade, fighting, sports, and boxing, all varieties that encourage high attention and stimulus. (Games such as RPGs and graphical adventures were likely left out of the survey for their low-impact nature.) The game types most effective in distracting from pain, meted out by cold pressor tests after 10 minutes of each subject playing a particular game type, were the sports and fighting games."

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  1. Motrin vs Xbox360 by Rob_Ogilvie · · Score: 3, Funny

    While the xbox360 may be more fun... it's also a *lot* more expensive than a couple Motrin.

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    1. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by gknoy · · Score: 0

      But how does it compare to a year's supply of Vicodin? :)

    2. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by FamineMonk · · Score: 1

      Yea but what about long standing pains such as arthritis (it might not help if you have it in your hands or wrist) or something like emotional pain such as depression. I know that when I'm having a crapy day sitting down and zoning out on a good game sure helps me.

    3. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by FamineMonk · · Score: 1

      http://video-games.search.ebay.com/360_Other-Acces sories_W0QQfrisZ2QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacat Z20385

      Hummm 750 does really seem to be ignoring IMO. It might not be as high as others but maybe that because people who can get there hands on one of them might like to keep it seeing as theres a shortage.

    4. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sixty seconds of listening to John Madden's commentary deadens all my sensory inputs. But maybe that's just the result of being an old L.A. Rams fan. :)

      Seriously though, arthritis runs in the family, and while I get twinges in my thumbs and wrists (amongst other places), the more I play (PS2), the better my thumbs are. It doesn't do anything for the wrists - perhaps a tennis game with a small virtual racket, ala DDR? . . . Nevermind, that would only work if you had to play using both hands.

      My mother, who has advanced RA, enjoys sudoku, so getting absorbed in something that takes concentration does help.

    5. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      And don't even try and use it as a suppository.

    6. Re:Motrin vs Xbox360 by Guignol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well you're suppository, I swear, I could have shoved it up my ass and it would have been just as effective !

  2. It's true by Eightyford · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Games (especially RPGs) are, in my opinion, the ultimate form of escapism. I'm not sure this need for constant stimulation is a good thing or not, but it really is a great way of avoiding the feelings of pain, embarrassment, and sadness.

    1. Re:It's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No offense, but I believe that avoiding the pain doesnt really solve anything. You need to face
      up to whatever is causing you distress. Escapism, Hah! Escape into REALITY!

    2. Re:It's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this study makes an excellent point for penny arcade's child's play charity!
      http://www.childsplaycharity.org/
      Good thing! (TM)

    3. Re:It's true by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, especially when I was first starting to date girls. Yeah, so it's escapism, so what? Even movies are a break from reality for a couple of hours.

      At least my way was safe, unlike my friends who got into drugs and alcohol.

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    4. Re:It's true by Schitzoflink · · Score: 1

      As someone who Uses all three (games, drugs and alcohol) Games hurt you too (no movement-bad for body, increased fat thus increased risk for heart disease and various other problems, Eyes open and focused on TV/Computer Screen for extended periods, bad for vision)...and are just as fun :)

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  3. That just raises another question... by jtorkbob · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...who will take away the back pain I get from spending all day in front of my computer playing fighting and sports games?

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    1. Re:That just raises another question... by GWSuperfan · · Score: 1

      Or the pain from the Repetitive Stress injuries for that matter?

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    2. Re:That just raises another question... by Golias · · Score: 0

      For that matter, I can't help but suspect that a lot of the pain relief brought about by playing Sports & Fighting games is the direct result of endorphins being released to deal with the soreness the controller is causing your thumbs.

      For a control group, maybe they should just take some people with severe pain and gradually apply "thumb-screw" torture devices (short of doing permanent damage.) The results might be similar.

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    3. Re:That just raises another question... by Admiral+Frosty · · Score: 1

      Hate to say it, but you're most likly not playing fighting games on your computer. If you are, it would have to be "One Must Fall", which would only add to your pain.

    4. Re:That just raises another question... by jtorkbob · · Score: 1

      Oh, well, like your couch is any more ergonomically correct.

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    5. Re:That just raises another question... by gknoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      who will take away the back pain I get from spending all day in front of my computer playing fighting and sports games?

      I would say that regular exercise, perhaps even yoga, will be a good way to help prevent/diminish your pain. I know that as soon as I stopped working out regularly, my back started hurting.

    6. Re:That just raises another question... by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      ...who will take away the back pain I get from spending all day in front of my computer playing fighting and sports games?

      Play from a good office chair with armrests, height adjustment, and lumbar support. If you don't have one, put in a req. (Sheesh . . . amateurs . .)

    7. Re:That just raises another question... by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Throw in a Butkicker for the chair (thebutkicker.com) and I am SO there!

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  4. I find that... by DarqFallen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sitting and Playing an Online RPG for 16 hrs straight gives me more pain than takes away.

    1. Re:I find that... by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      If you are playing an online RPG for 16 hours straight...I think you have more important problems to attend to than 'pain'.

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    2. Re:I find that... by DarqFallen · · Score: 1

      I would agree if it was done on a daily basis.... but once in a while (mabie once every 2 months or so) isn't so bad, every one needs an escape every so often

  5. In my experience... by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    Games CAUSE much pain...

    (pain from joysticks hitting my head from my "friends", pain from hitting my head against the wall, popped blood vessels after fighting Azaroth the boss from level 15 for the 27gazillionth time and still losing because the game cheats...)

  6. Physical only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious, did they only test the effects of games versus physical pain? Or were mental effects and conditions considered as well? I know personally, games are a great distraction from depression. 'Course, the amount I play, they probably contribute indirectly as well - but shhh, you didn't hear me say that. Now where'd that AC button go...

  7. Not all games... by Kn1nJa · · Score: 1

    How many times have you ran towards a save disk in GTA:SA, only to be gunned down by some stupid army guy, then lose all your hard earned minigun ammo cuz you died? That definately causes pain, not helps it...

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    1. Re:Not all games... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
      Two words :

      UZUMYMW, BAGUVIX

      Feelin' better now?

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    2. Re:Not all games... by daddyrief · · Score: 0

      L1, R1, SQUARE, R1, LEFT, R2, R1, LEFT, SQUARE, DOWN, L1, L1.

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  8. I find their choices suspect. by MajorG17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Boxing is a separate category from both sports and fighting? RPGs left out because of low-impact, but puzzle games were included? These choices alone lower their credibility in my eyes.

    1. Re:I find their choices suspect. by Mister+Gribbley · · Score: 1

      I'd guess the kind of puzzle games they're talking about are the arcade Tetris genre rather than anything more cerebral - it's the adrenaline rush they're after rather than emotional or intellectual involvement. Of course it's a bit suspect limiting the study to action genres in the first place on that assumption.

    2. Re:I find their choices suspect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      RPGs left out because of low-impact, but puzzle games were included?

      I assume by puzzle games they mean games like Tetris where you need to stay focused on the game as opposed to something like an interactive jigsaw puzzle where you can take your time (and think about your pain). RPGs, even action RPGs have a lot of down time (talking to people, buying crap, watching cut-scenes). The two categories that scored the best have (in general) the least amount of people to talk to, crap to buy and cut-scenes to watch.

  9. Makes Sense... by dcowart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like adrenalin. The adrenalin rush from playing fighting and sports games serves to deaden pain. This is just what it's supposed to do as part of the built-in "Fight or Flight" response. It keeps us going when were dead tired, but still needing to run from lions.

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  10. Adrenaline ? by IAAP · · Score: 3, Interesting
    FTFA: The game types most effective in distracting from pain, meted out by cold pressor tests after 10 minutes of each subject playing a particular game type, were the sports and fighting games.

    I wonder if these games produce an adrenaline response? It's like remembering a situation that really pissed you off and you start getting pissed off again - with the resulting adrenaline.

    A lot of athletes will use imaging techniques to perfect their game. Only in this instance, you're placing yourself in the role of the game character. So when he gets hit, so do you - in your head.

  11. is boxing a type? by fool36 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Six types of games were used: action, puzzle, arcade, fighting, sports, and boxing

    How is boxing a type of game? Wouldn't it fall under fighting and/or sports?

    1. Re:is boxing a type? by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Funny
      How is boxing a type of game? Wouldn't it fall under fighting and/or sports?

      They couldn't decide which to put it in, so they made another category.

      Unless they're referring to those killer box-making games, where you learn the intricate processes of cardboard creation.

    2. Re:is boxing a type? by Seraph · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they were thinking about Stacker.

  12. RPGs can be intense too! by Stormwatch · · Score: 1
    RPGs and graphical adventures were likely left out of the survey for their low-impact nature.
    RPGs, low impact? Yea right. Just play Panzer Dragoon Saga and tell me it's any less intense than an action game.
    1. Re:RPGs can be intense too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to forget the Final Fantasy 7. ...wait...it might lead to excessive depression by the end of Disc 1...

      My bad:P

  13. Games Do Take Away Pain by Bellum+Aeternus · · Score: 1

    I've presistant back pain. I've had is for a few years now, and while it's tollerable when I'm playing a game like WoW it's non-existant. I've known about this for a while now... I'm glad to see there's some research to back me up.

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    1. Re:Games Do Take Away Pain by MrYotsuya · · Score: 1

      I've presistant back pain... I've known about this for a while now... I'm glad to see there's some research to back me up.

      No pun intended of course :)

    2. Re:Games Do Take Away Pain by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Some of us have the opposite experience, but this is probably more due to bad posture and crappy chairs...

    3. Re:Games Do Take Away Pain by Foktip · · Score: 1

      I used to have quite harsh persistent back-pain as well, and also something known as restless legs syndrome (basically my thighs have this dull aching when im sitting). I found that regular excersize has helped a LOT for both problems - i think for those of us who can get up and move about, excersize, or organized sports, might in fact be a lot better than video games. Although, video games are more convenient - so i guess one could use both.

      Or you could get the best of both worlds, with a game like DDR (dance dance revolution) - DDR has strengthened my legs so much... i can sleep much more soundly now.

    4. Re:Games Do Take Away Pain by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      I saw a device at CES this year called the Powergrid. It can plug into multiple game systems like PS2, GameCube, Xbox, and uses isometric exercises to get you working out at the same time. It's immovable, and you have to press forward (HARD) to get moving forward in your game. Same with side to side movement.

      Here's a link: http://www.powergridfitness.com/

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  14. Absolutely... by DiamondLOD · · Score: 1

    This confirms the experiences I've had completely. Any time I'd get a migraine, I'd pull the shades down and launch a "one-more-turn-itis" game like Civ, MOO, etc. It not only reguarly helped reduce the pain, but it also helped me ignore the pain I had.

    1. Re:Absolutely... by RDFozz · · Score: 1

      My wife also used games (the Shining Force series was the one that worked best for her) to fight her migraines. My son (who seems to have inherited her migraines) has also used this somewhat successfully.

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  15. But by vertinox · · Score: 1

    I always thought it was the large amounts of alcohol I consumed while playing the game.

    "Look1nga fr grppp! Eh! Wut are you lokking at! Lt me togle" pvp NOW u die nooadfbah ah shit ya killed me SONF OF SFSDFSDFFCKUDSIEFEIJDSasdfasdfFOJ!!!1!1"

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  16. I use this technique; it also works w/ books & by ahbi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use this technique. I get migraines (full on once per 6-8 weeks, mini-migraines once per 2 weeks).

    And when I say migraine I don't mean "Oh, my head hurts." I mean "I see bright spots, Now one side of my head feels like a stiletto is being driven into it. I think I'll take a triptan (pill) and lie down and get nauseous for 6-12 hours. Then I think I'll feel weak with random short stiletto pains for 2-7 days."
    BTW, thank God for triptans. Until 5 years ago the doctor approved remedy was "take two sleeping pills and go to bed". I have trained myself to go unconscious as quickly as possible once a migraine starts. The triptan doesn't solve the initial headache, but it substantially reduces the secondary effects, making me an invalid for only 1-2 days as opposed to a full week.

    Playing a game that consumes as much of my attention as possible greatly relieves that pain. And, while I am sure adrenaline doesn't hurt, it isn't needed. Reading a consuming book or watching consuming TV works just as well. Even computer programming works to dull the pain.

    But "consuming" is the important point. Crap TV is useless. I have to care more, much more, about what is going on on the screen or in the book than I do about my head.

    Another reason games and TV work better than reading, is that the migraine makes it hard to focus on text. The words jump around or bright spots appear in my field of vision. Things that are constantly changing and have large visual areas (vs the pinpoint area for reading) means that I can lose more of the information on the screen and still understand (or not even notice the visual error).

  17. quite plausible by 0(*_*)o(*_*)0 · · Score: 1

    Its a no-brainer. While playing games most of the attention of the player is diverted towards the game itself which subdues the intensity of the pain signals processed by the brain. Yes, your brain is capable of classifynig the priority of areas requiring attiontion. Have you ever noticed that if you get two injuries, then you will only feel pain in the one which is more serious.

  18. Fibromyalgia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Speaking as someone with Fibromyalgia, I've found that getting into a good videogame or novel can really push physical sensation so far into the background that it's not really noticeable. I'm mostly into Strategy and RPG games, I've never thought to compare, but getting intellectually engrossed in a game is quite effective without adrenaline pumping play.

    I wonder if videogames are essentially guided meditation? Thinking about pain definitely makes it seem worse, just having something to help get the mind off of it really helps. Intense conversation with another person can have a very similar effect.

  19. Pain by owlman17 · · Score: 1

    Funny how an article like this should turn up, just when we were starting to develop sensory-neural interfaces, pain receptors, to be integrated in those action games, so we can feel those punches and shots.

  20. Life is painful. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That's how we grow. Even the activities which we love most involve pain while we learn how to do them.

    So do you want your kid to grow up with a lot fewer life skills? Why not give him or her a video game-box to spend all those thousands of childhood growth hours on?

    Heck, why not plug yourself into a game box as well? Why grow into a skilled and accomplished person with fine-tuned power over your emotional and spiritual being when you can be turning pixels on and off, over and over and over?

    I know I'm being hypocritical here. . , I've wasted zillions of hours on video crack in my youth as well, and even learned a few useful skills and tactics doing so. --But I also built my own computer when I was a kid, went to creative lengths to pirate all my games, and most importantly, I didn't start until I was 12 years old. I'd wager that when today's kids are as old as my generation is now, they'll be generally much less socially aware and physically capable as a direct result of too much video crack when their young brains should be sucking up as much real-world experience as possible.


    -FL

  21. Almost by Xymor · · Score: 1

    Obviously they don't mean Tendonitis and RSI.

  22. except if they're MMOs by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    Picture this. So you're in an instance and:

    - the "healer" doesn't heal. Ever. There could be a full team wipe happening around him, and he'd be out of mana blasting with his offensive spells, doing a whole 50% of a mage's damage output. (Yes, I know priests are a more complex class than just "healer", but there's something offensive when a paladin ends up spending half the mana to keep alive a priest that's busy blasting.)

    He does however raid all chests while everyone else is still in combat, or indeed got aggroed by a patroll while in a fight. He also rolls "Need" on everything, chain mail, leather and swords included.

    He also leaves just before the boss fight, after he's got the staff he was there for.

    - the mage thinks he's a melee fighter, bravely charging with his trusty old kitchen knife. Someone posts a damage dealer statistic and the mage is in the last place, doing half the paladin's damage, and, you know, the paladin is tanking and healing. He also has the annoying habbit of using the sheep spell all the time, and invariably on the target everyone else is blasting. Occasionally the mage pulls a Leroy Jenkins and is heard screaming "HEAL!" from behind a corner, and a good 100 yards away.

    - the dual-wield warrior never waits for the casters to refill their mana. He also thinks that "pulling" means doing a charge into the next enemy group. Preferrably while everyone else is drinking to refill their mana.

    - the hunter has his pet on aggressive, so it keeps pulling a different enemy, or running up a side tunnel to aggro a completely different enemy. He also can't decide if he's a melee fighter or a ranged fighter, and is occasionally seen rushing ahead of everyone else and trying to tank. He's sure to tell everyone every 5 minutes that he has 3 level 60 alts, though. (Yet doesn't even know what's in the first instance in the game, or basic tactics. Go figure.)

    He too leaves just before the boss fight.

    Add some seasoning in the form of a group member trying to discuss in detail their taking a dump. (Laptops are great, or what?) Another one is talking only in some engrish. Yet another one doesn't talk at all, ever, and the only attempt at communication is trying to give everyone some junk he rolled "need" for earlier. E.g., the Paladin gets to close trade windows once every 5 seconds, in combat, as the mage tries to give him a low level gun (which paladins can't use anyway.) Etc.

    I don't know if that would take someone's mind off pain, but a cure for sadness it sure isn't ;)

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