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Airport ID Checks Constitutional

chill wrote to mention the decision handed down from the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of appeals in the case of Gilmore vs. Gonzales. The court found in the government's favour, saying "We hold that neither the identification policy nor its application to Gilmore violated Gilmore's constitutional rights, and therefore we deny the petition ... The Constitution does not guarantee the right to travel by any particular form of transportation."

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  1. two problems by belmolis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have two problems with this decision. First, while I won't argue that there is an absolute right to anonymity, I have yet to hear an argument for the proposition that checking ID makes flying safer. The 9/11 terrorists had valid ID. If the government is using ID as a substitute for searches or X-ray or whatever is actually needed, they're kidding themselves.

    The larger problem with this decision is the court's acceptance of the claim that there can be secret laws and regulations and specifically that this regulation is legitimately secret. The very idea of secret laws and regulations is inconsistent with open, democratic government. Moreover, not a shred of justification has been offered for the secrecy of this particular regulation. (The only situation I can imagine in which a secret regulation might be legitimate is when it has to mention something whose existence is a legitimate secret, but even then it would seem that the regulation could be revealed to those that it affects (since they would know about the secret anyhow) and that it should be possible to publish the regulation in a more abstract form (e.g. classifying some class of weapons).) What conceivable basis could there be for classifying a regulation requiring passengers to produce ID?

  2. Missing the Point by Aidtopia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article and the summary are missing the point. This was Gilmore v. Gonzales, not Gilmore v. the airlines. The argument, as I understand it, is that there is no published law or rule that says passengers have to show identification. The TIA says there is such a rule, but that it's a secret for security purposes. Gilmore argues secret laws are unconstitutional. I tend to agree with Gilmore.

  3. ID checks vs. detectors vs. strip-searches... by TheRealStyro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll have to say that this lawsuit was made in poor judgment. The government & business has every right to expect you to produce identification before boarding an airliner. This ID check is not unreasonable nor troublesome to any passenger. Getting stopped/delayed from boarding because a single-dimensional ID check matched on a suspect ID is just stupidity on the part of the TSA.

    Being subject to having carry-on baggage searched and walking through a metal detector also is not particularly unreasonable. Neither, IMHO, would be being scanned with a hand detector and/or 'sniffer' device (to detect drugs/explosives handling). It would be normal security for what amounts to being transported in a flying bomb with no/limited in-flight security.

    A strip-/cavity-search would be where I would draw the line. Unless you provide me with very detailed information about your suspicions about what I am supposedly hiding on/in my body, I am not going to cooperate in any way whatsoever. If I passed a metal detector test, a hand scanner test and a 'sniffer' test, then you will not be able to provide me with any reasonable explanation for needing a strip-search (get a warrant for a cavity-search). Barring any reasonable explanation, it is a fourth amendment buster and I will not submit to it. I will leave and expect a full refund from the airline and/or TSA (or search authority) and that they should expect a lawsuit.

    For the record, I am an independent with liberal leanings. I defend my civil, political and human rights when I believe they are being threatened.

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  4. ID not checked anymore, and why would that help? by dazzla_2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a while now, when flying domestic the airlines have not been checking ID. ID is only checked by the TSA.

    Anyhow, how can checking ID possibly help stop terrorism?

    1. Boarding cards, especially online are incredibly easy to fake.
    2. Fake ID is easy to come by.
    3. If someone has decided they are going to fly a plane into a building and kill themselves in the process why would they care about showing their ID? Or buying a ticket with their real name on it?
    4. etc..

  5. Re:No particular, but any? by ChildeRoland · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also, as of Dec. 30th, there was a bill on Gov. Bill Taft's desk, called the Ohio Patriot Act which would require citizens to show ID upon request or face being arrested.

    "The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.

    WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID."

    http://nievedenoche.gnn.tv/headlines/6851/Show_ID_ Or_Go_To_Jail

    Most cops in any state now will arrest you for not providing name and birthdate, regardless of if there is a law requiring it.

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  6. Re:No particular, but any? by typical · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Fahrenheit 451 was the product of five short stories. One short story that was used was inspired after Bradbury and a friend were walking around Los Angeles late one night. A police officer stopped and questioned them. A smart-alecky Bradbury told them they were just walking and explained how illogical it was for them to be planning a robbery, especially on foot. The police officer said, "Just walking? Well, don't do it again." Afterward, Bradbury wrote "The Pedestrian," a story about a future time when all pedestrians are treated as criminals. A political magazine called The Reporter published it after numerous rejections. "The Pedestrian" became the foundation on which Bradbury built his protagonist, Montag, of Fahrenheit 451."

    From here.

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