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Most Stars Are Single

An anonymous reader writes to tell us Space.com is reporting that 'for more than 200 years, astronomers thought that most of the stars in our galaxy had stellar companions. But a new study suggests the bulk of them are born alone and never have stellar company.' The key difference seems to come from the difference between the highly turbulent clouds that produce massive stars in groups and the less active smaller clouds that produce red dwarfs."

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  1. Myspace.com by imoou · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet these lonely stars spend most of their time hanging around myspace.com.

  2. Sure. by IAAP · · Score: 3, Funny
    With the divorce rate in Hollywood and everything who could blame them for being single! Sure, they're ...

    What? RTFA? Huh, you're new here.

    Anyway, where was I, oh yeah, Stars and their divorce rate...

  3. It's disappointing... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...how often we have to unlearn what we've been taught for so long by scientists. This has been one of the more basic tenets of astronomy, something almost always mentioned when discussing extrasolar planets at any length. And now we're being told that two hundred years of teaching was wrong?

    The longer I live, the less enamored I am with science. I was always taught that it's this great infallible thing, that science only knows fact. This is a prime example of just how wrong science can be. I suppose I'm just going to have to become a creationist now, at least they never change their stories.

    (that last part was a joke)

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    1. Re:It's disappointing... by orkysoft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then you were taught wrong. Science isn't about absolute truth. Science is about finding explanations for phenomena, and making predictions based on those explanations. We can prove the explanations false by providing counterexamples, but we can never prove them to be true. The most we can say about these explanations is that we haven't been able to prove them false, and that as such, they're, AFAWK, pretty good.

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    2. Re:It's disappointing... by ZombieWomble · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The longer I live, the less enamored I am with science. I was always taught that it's this great infallible thing,

      Whoever taught you were incorrect then. Science's biggest strength is the fact that it is based around the concept that what we know can, and likely is wrong, and that it can only be verified by observing facts.

      In this case, it's quite like relativity generalising Newton's laws - for large, easily observable stars, this rule holds true. But more detailed measurements indicate errors which happen in 'special' (or, in truth, more general) condition.

      Development in science is nothing to be afraid of - sure, we were wrong in the past, and probably still are, but now we're a little more right. Maybe it's not a big problem, but it's better than sticking our heads in the sand and never learning.

      (Besides, everyone knows Astrophysicists aren't real scientists... or at least that's what I tell my friends in that department. They usually don't disagree :) )

    3. Re:It's disappointing... by JWW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Science is the _path_ to truth, not truth itself.

    4. Re:It's disappointing... by Wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I personally find it exciting when we're able to revise our theories based upon new information. It means that we have new information, and that's always a good thing.

      Recall that Astrophysics is still a relatively young science. As we acquire new observational tools, we find ourselves with more and better data. And so assumptions are adjusted.

      It's not flip-flopping. It's learning.

    5. Re:It's disappointing... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...how often we have to unlearn what we've been taught for so long by scientists. This has been one of the more basic tenets of astronomy, something almost always mentioned when discussing extrasolar planets at any length. And now we're being told that two hundred years of teaching was wrong?

      I know you are somewhat joking, but...

      The point of scientific truth, is that there are no constant truths except maybe speed of light. (Even then people are trying to disprove that as we speak)

      You must assume everything taught in scientific theory is probable, but someday someone could come along and provide a better theory and make the previous theory look horribly stupid in retrospect.

      What science attempts to find is basically a logical methodology of how things appear to work and try to predict what happens if we perform x action under y criteria.

      Cause and effect.

      But the problem is that the universe is not constant (except for speed of light) and that all things time, distance, position, chemical makeup, atomic makeup, and various other things are constantly changing.

      I always like to give my sky example for this.

      I make a hypothetical statement about the color of the sky which is "The sky is blue!"

      Is this true or false? On a sunny day this is very true, but on a cloudy day or at night it is not.

      But if we say at 10am, at Sometown USA, and the weather is clear then the sky should be blue. If the same conditions exist tomorrow, my theory would say that the sky should be blue.

      The problem with thinking science makes things always true and set in stone is a fallacy since there are a trillion different criteria we still don't know about yet.

      But the more we know, the better we can understand the universe.

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    6. Re:It's disappointing... by wanerious · · Score: 5, Informative
      As an astronomy educator, believe me, I understand. But in realizing that scientific theories are really only our best models right now, it's actually invigorating that the more we study and investigate the universe the more beautiful, complex, and subtle it is.

      It's probable that *everything* you have been taught will some day have to be "unlearned". In this case, as with many others, it's not so much that what you were taught was wrong, only that it was imprecise. The article reaffirms that it is still true that most of the bright stars in the sky are members of multiple-star systems. Just the previously unobserved swarm of very dim, red stars seem to be largely isolated. Still consistent with previous observations.

    7. Re:It's disappointing... by bursch-X · · Score: 2

      >"You don't find the grail, the grail finds you." -- The Da Vinci Code

      I thought that was only the case in SOVIET RUSSIA...

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    8. Re:It's disappointing... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's true that science only knows facts. As does everyone else. However, science isn't just about what we know, but mostly about what we predict from what we know. That is, we search for patterns, and if a pattern seems to work reasonably well (i.e. we have tried it quite often and it worked on all our tests), we have a theory. Those theories are not facts, the only fact involved is that they describe the past observations well. It is a prediction that they will also describe future observations well, however that is something you cannot know, just expect. This expectation is the more reasonable, the more similar the situation is to those you already have observed.

      For example, if you have seen many things fall down, and never have seen anything that raises, then a reasonable theory is that all things fall down. Now say, your experience is mostly on stones and bananas (where you have tested hundreds of them). Now if you find any new, unknown object, it's quite reasonable to expect that it will fall down as well. It's unreasonable to assume you know in advance that it will fall down. If it is a stone or a banana, then it's so likely that you'll again see falling it down that you can treat it almost like a fact. If it is another object, then you shouldn't be too sure. After all, up to now you only observed the pattern with stones and bananas. And indeed, if the object turns out to be a helium balloon, then you'll find that your expectation is not met. That is, you'll find that your theory that everything falls down is in its generality wrong. It is, however, not completely wrong, because it still accurately describes your experience with stones and bananas. So the old theory is not invalid, but only has a limited validity. Now you can look at things which fall down, and things which raise up, and try to find a new pattern which lets you predict if a thing falls down or raises. If you find that pattern (which turns out to be "things which have a greater mass density than air ("are heavier than air") fall, things which are "lighter than air" rise), then you have a new, better theory, which contains your old theory (all things fall down) as special case.

      Ok, in this case, it's that most of the stars observed so far (which were the bright stars, because those are the stars you can easily see) were not alone. So the theory was "most stars are not alone" (although in this case, I wouldn't really call it a theory, more an assumption or hypothesis). Now, stars which are sufficiently different from those which were observed before are found to be mostly alone, and there are also more of them. So we find that the old theory's validity is limited to those stars we previously observed (i.e. the bright ones), and a new, better theory replaces it (brighter stars usually have companions, dimmer stars usually don't).

      So the fact (most stars previously observed have companions) didn't change, only the conjecture (therefore it probably is true for all other stars).

      Note that the working of science isn't really too different from the everyday way of thinking. The main difference is that in everyday life, we often take our conjectures as facts without ever questioning them, while in science, the questioning of theories is institutionalized.

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    9. Re:It's disappointing... by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoever taught you were incorrect then. Science's biggest strength is the fact that it is based around the concept that what we know can, and likely is wrong, and that it can only be verified by observing facts.

      I agree with you in both cases, that this is science's greatest strength and it was incorrectly presented.

      HOWEVER, I'll also point out that - barring a few scientists that are very forthright about the limits of their knowledge with "Well, we're pretty sure about X, but we don't know how it explains Y..." or "The best we can tell, Z is true. But..." - I *rarely* hear scientists talking about the limits or doubts of their own knowledge. Maybe it's simple human ego, or maybe it's a fear of empowering the creationists, (er "intelligent design advocates"...nahhh creationists is more accurate) but to me science would be a lot more credible if MORE scientists were more forthright about what they know, what they suppose, what they hypothesize, and what they're guessing at.

      Go to any undergrad science course. Science is taught as a certain bedrock of facts with no doubt, no questions, and certainly no 'grey' areas.

      How's that for ironic? The scientists don't hedge enough, and the politicians hedge too much.

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    10. Re:It's disappointing... by ZombieWomble · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Go to any undergrad science course

      I dunno, my undergrad particle physics was taught by stepping through all the developments of the 'facts' in that area, showing what evidence demonstrated they went wrong, what the new model was, and so forth. And finished up with modern questions and details of experiments which are working on them. Similarly, one of my QM lecturers loved to set assignments researching the background of open questions or significant limitations in QM as taught. An excellent example of how to teach material from a developing field.

      The problem arises when you are teaching material which forms the basis of an established field, which while removed from the cutting edge a bit, but is still effectively a "special case" of some much more general law, which may have a rather different form. Newton's laws are a subset of Relativity, but when you're teaching this material for the first time, introducing this would take a lot of teaching time, which is at a premium in a lot of places now. It is simply more practical to state something as 'fact' when it is not, and clarify it when it's studied at higher levels ("Lies to children" was a nice description of it I heard once).

      Of course, I would really like it if some material on the basis of the Scientific Method was taught fairly rigorously to all students at some point - then they would know to ask these questions themselves. Alas, it's another thing which runs up against the requirements of teaching these days.

  4. Marketing fiasco! by NiteShaed · · Score: 5, Funny

    So does this mean that the big two-for-one sale at http://www.starregistry.com/ will have to be rethought?

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  5. Insert obligatory joke... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Most slashdot users as well..."

  6. Quality by saskboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We all realized how far down in quality Slashdot has sunk when the first thought on everyone's mind when they saw this title was, "I can think of way more married stars than single ones."

    In astronomy class 4 years ago I learned that most solar systems were binary or more complex, so this is very interesting news indeed. I wonder if this improves the chances of more solar systems having planetary companions, since I'd think it less likely for binary or trinary systems to have planets since more matter in the system is taken up in star mass.

    This might also increase the calculable possibility for habitible planets in our galzaxy too.

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    1. Re:Quality by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny
      We all realized how far down in quality Slashdot has sunk when the first thought on everyone's mind when they saw this title was, "I can think of way more married stars than single ones."

      Now, are you sure that for those stars, the same problem doesn't apply? So most of the easily visible stars are married. However you usually only see the stars produced in big clouds like Hollywood, but there are also e.g. porn stars which are not as easily observed (a regular cinema isn't sufficient for their observation). Now are you sure that most of them are married as well? I could well imagine the opposite.

      SCNR :-)
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  7. Sigh - fooled again by maynard · · Score: 3, Funny

    And here I thought I was going to learn how I might have a shot at Kate Beckinsale or Lucy Liu, but instead it's only some lame story about astronomy. Thanks for getting my hopes up once again slashdot!!!

    sheesh!

    1. Re:Sigh - fooled again by why-is-it · · Score: 3, Funny
      And here I thought I was going to learn how I might have a shot at Kate Beckinsale or Lucy Liu, but instead it's only some lame story about astronomy. Thanks for getting my hopes up once again slashdot!!!

      Oh dear, where to begin:

      • No slashdotter will ever get a chance at women that hot
      • With a id that low, you should know better than to get your hopes (or anything else!) up.
      • You do however have excellent taste in unobtainable women.
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    2. Re:Sigh - fooled again by syrinx · · Score: 2, Funny

      No slashdotter will ever get a chance at women that hot

      I know one slashdotter who got to kiss Ashley Judd. does that count?

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    3. Re:Sigh - fooled again by afaik_ianal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Depends - what did the judge have to say about it?

  8. A blow to the nemesis theory. by warewolfe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While the results of the star survey do not disprove the nemesis theory, they do seem to lessen the chance of it being correct. With red dwarves being being the most likely suspect for nemesis (see http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/ nemesis_010320-1.html/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(star)/) and at the same time not likely to be a companion star, I guess they'll have to look for different astrological suspects.

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  9. True, not true by ChrisDolan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article goes on to explain that red dwarfs (tiny stars, much smaller than the sun) are much more common that sun-like and larger stars, and that red dwarfs are much less likely to be binaries. So, in total stars are more likely to be single.

    However, from my reading it seems that the conventional wisdom that most sun-like stars are binaries is still true. I once learned the humorous mnemonic "Three out of every two stars is a binary".

  10. Old News by Einer2 · · Score: 2, Informative
    We've known for about a decade that the binary frequency among low-mass (early M) stars is only 30-35%. We've also known for at least that long that the general shape of the field mass function is weighted in favor of low-mass stars. It's a very short leap to draw the corresponding conclusion, and it's been done in plenty of other papers that actually present useful results at the same time.

    For those who care about the background, the binary frequency has been shown pretty clearly to depend on mass. Solar-mass stars have binary frequencies of at least 60%, stars of 0.5 solar masses have binary frequencies of ~35%, and very low-mass stars and brown dwarfs (under 0.2 solar masses) have binary frequencies of around 10-20%. The binary frequency among more massive stars appears to be even higher than for solar-mass stars.

    The popular reason to care about binary frequencies is to determine the frequency with which planetary systems could occur. If you're interested in habitable planets around solar-type stars, the higher binary frequency is one to care about. The frequency with which planets could form around lower-mass stars is intrinsically interesting since they're so common, but they're also much harder to detect any of these planets using existing indirect methods, so it's a harder question to actually answer. Once we have the ability to directly image planets, the problem will invert itself since it's easier to see planetary companions to faint stars than bright stars.

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  11. For those Red Dwarf fans :-) by astralbat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holly: Look, we're travelling faster than the speed of light. That means, by the time we see something, we've already passed through it. Even with an IQ of 6000, it's still brown trousers time.