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Fight Tooth Decay with Electricity

Erica Campbell writes "According to IsraCast, The Israeli Company Fluorinex Active has developed a new technology that can protect the tooth from cavities for 5 years with one simple electrical treatment. The company is currently working on a small device which, together with a gel, will impose an efficient ion exchange process through an Electro-chemical reaction in which fluor ions displace the Hydroxide ions at the outer layer of the tooth. This is intended to produce a new mineral layer with significantly improved chemical and physical resistance to the aggressive bacteria and the resulting acidic environment in the mouth."

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  1. Gums. by Threni · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your teeth can be protected largely by not eating too much sugary food - your acidic saliva is quite capable of destroying a lot of bacteria. It's your gums that require care.

    1. Re:Gums. by onwardknave · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your saliva is basic, not acidic. The bacteria produce lactic acid and lower the pH in plaques, ultimately resulting in tooth decay. The bacteria produce the acid because they metabolize sugary foods by glycolysis. Less sugar means less acid production by the bacteria in the mouth.

  2. How does it get below the gum line? by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    The nasties really happen below 3mm (anaeorobic bacteria). Even your denatal hygenist can't do much below 3mm (though you can have your gums reduced). How does the gel get down there if your dentist can't?

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    1. Re:How does it get below the gum line? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't get down there. It prevents pitting of the teeth the same way that anodizing prevents pitting of aluminum:

      By creating a barrier tough enough that the nasties can't get down 3mm themselves.

      KFG

  3. Other approaches by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 3, Informative
    What is the latest on ... Enquiring minds want to know.
    1. Re:Other approaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative


      More links to the pile

      Oragenics (Genetically Modified Replacement)
      More than a mouthfull

  4. Correction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  5. Well, you kinda deserve tinfoil hat jokes by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok so you found a site with an agenda: Eliminating flouride consumption, that claims it's bad. Right, of course they are going to claim that. Now I can find information from respected orignizations, like the CDC and NIH, that says it's not only fine but good for oral health.

    http://www.cdc.gov/oralhealth/waterfluoridation/in dex.htm
    http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/HealthInformation/Disease sAndConditions/Fluoride/WaterFluoridation.htm

    Now I don't care to argue with you about who to believe, I'm just pointing you that you are presenting only a source with an agenda. Have a look at what the CDC has to say, as well as others.

  6. Ridiculous by benzapp · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are many primates that subsist almost exclusively on fruit that has substantial amounts of sugar. They live for 20 years and their teeth are fine.

    The problem of tooth decay is complex, but this oft repeated lie doesn't get to the bottom of it.

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    1. Re:Ridiculous by posterlogo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have you seen primates' teeth up close? They're actually pretty nasty. But you are partly right, they do have subtle differences in saliva biochemistry due to adaptation that allow them to handle sugary diets... the teeth remain usable despite the formation of cavities (ultimately the teeth are lost, as expected). Animals in captivity get rudimentary dental care, or at the least, fluorinated water. On the otherhand, your notion that many primates eat fruit exclusively is an oft repeated lie (mostly from cartoons). Fruits are a treat, and more uncommon than one might think. Sugars diets are the causative factor for increased microflora in the mouth -- the simpler the carbohydrate, the easier it is for the bacteria to fluorish (eg high fructose corn syrup). In fact, there are over 500 different species of bacteria that come onto your teeth in between twice-daily brushings. The bacteria themselves will not decay teeth as long as you keep an alkaline environment in your mouth. This is how other animals deal with them... we use brushing with fluoride ion (a base). If you'd like to test your theory, please feel free to stop using fluoride or baking soda in your dental care.

    2. Re:Ridiculous by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fibers in fruits usually wash away the sugars. Most processed sweets don't have any fiber, thus the sugar is deposited and stays there.

      This is also the case with honey - it's sticky and cause cavities if used as a sweetener. But it's not too dangerous eating an apple/orange without brushing your teeth for a while.

      As long as people avoid honey, processed foods with sugar or flour - you should be able to get away without brushing and have no cavities.

      However, that lifestyle and this treatment isn't going to be an end to brushing or flossing. Even if the teeth are completely protected, your gums can get gingivitus/periodontis without the stimulation of brushing/flossing.

      Here is a pretty good website that explains/backs-up most of what I said. I found it to read up on wisdom teeth extraction a while back:

      http://www.doctorspiller.com/

  7. Re:Would this affect coloring? by Angostura · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. The natural coating of the teeth is enamel, which is largely composed of the minerals hydroxyapatite and carbonated hydroxyapatite. Fluoride ions in water or toothpaste can displace the hydrogen ions in the enamel forming fluorapatite which is more acid resistant.

    When I was a kid, I was actually subjected to sitting in a dentists chair for 15 minutes while a mould with a concentrated fluoride gel where held against my teeth.

    It looks like this company is using exactly the same type of gel and mould, but adding an electrical current to try and speed up the hydrogen replacement. I've no idea if this would work or not, but it gets my snake-oil detectors twitching just a bit.

    In terms of discolouration, I believe the advice is that children under 5 should limit exposure to fluoride toothpaste (just use a bit) to avoid white spots on their teeth, apart from that, there aren't any problems.

  8. Re:NIMM by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 2, Informative
    Lots of people thought it was crazy to implent porcelain teeth with titanium roots that bond to bone...

    Hate to nit-pick, but as far as I'm aware (could be wrong) but titanium does not bond with bone. Titanium is used due to the excellent mechanical proporties it possesses. However it has to be coated via plasma spraying with hydroxyapatite, which does bond with both bone and titanium.

    Happened to have a lecture the covered this subject the other day.

  9. Re:Would this affect coloring? by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fluoride may protect your teeth, but it also robs your teeth of bone density by removing calcium.

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  10. Re:Believe it or not by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're wrong, chap, but you're also right. Eating less sugary foods saves the day. But your reasoning was wrong. Our tooth enamel becomes soluble at any pH more acidic than about 4.5. When our tooth enamel dissolves, we set ourselves up to get holes all the way through the enamel. As I understand it, our bodies have no way of replacing enamel once its gone. And enamel is what keeps our teeth from getting infected. Our poor gums are sensitive too, though, as you noted. But there's more.

    So the thing to do is keep our moth more basic than 4.5 (normal is about 5, I think). But the sugars that you noted get digested by the bacteria in our mouth, and then the biproduct of the digestion is lactic acid. This increases the acidity in out mouth (or decreases the pH). If you brush well enough that you have no bacteria in there, then you can eat all the sugar you want to no detriment. But most people have some bacteria in there, so we need to brush it out. But there's even more.

    Toothpaste is designed not only to be all bubbly and tasty, but to make our mouth more basic (raise the pH) as well. That's why there is sodium flouride in toothpaste. The flouride ion attaches to the free hydrogen ions that are making our saliva acidic. But keeping our mouths alkaline still can't save our enamel that's already gone. It sounds to me like this new technology maybe kind of can though...

  11. This is how it's meant to work... by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The enamel on our teeth consists of hydroxyapatite. This is a very strong substance, both in terms of low solubility and physical strength.

    As any chemistry geek knows a fluorine ion (F-) can replace a hydroxyl ion (OH-). In teeth, fluoride causes formation of hydroxyfluoroapatite, where some of the OH's have been replaced with F's.

    The compound with the fluoride is slightly stronger physically, it also has better pK values. The pKa and other values tell us about the solubility of a compound in acids or bases. Fluoroapatite is less soluble in acid. This means cavities will not form as easily when bacterial start producing acid in the teeth.

    Normally, fluoride gets into our teeth through diffusion. Fluoride is in reasonably high concentrations in saliva anyway, but topical application of fluoride (for instance brushing your teeth) will increase the amount of strong fluoroapatite in your enamel.

    This method uses a current to influence the exchange of OH for F in tooth enamel. It is nearly similar to the copper plating experiments you may have seen in high school.

    Fluoride is only bad if ingested in large quanties. Fluorosis, a discoluration of the teeth, is caused by problems with the enamel producing cells in childhood. It can happen if children habitually eat toothpaste. It will not happen with topical application.

    Skeletal bones can be adversely affected by fluoride, but this also requires high internal F- levels. It is unlikely to happen with topical application of toothpaste.

    1. Re:This is how it's meant to work... by Deffexor · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are new toothpastes that are now arriving on the market that are designed to "remineralize" the enamel and restore small-to-tiny dental decay. Some people may remember "Enamelon" (which went out of business). Well, it seems that there are 3 products that are not likely to go out of business any time soon, but use essentially the same technology.

      Teeth (like bones) breakdown and rebuild every day. Bones via the bloodstream. Teeth via saliva and enzymes and minerals found in the saliva. Fluoride definitely helps strengthen teeth against acid attack and helps attract calcium and phosphate to the enamel. These new toothpastes sound like they work pretty much the same: They make calcium and phosphate ions more bio-available (sounds like marketing, I know) such that they increase the strength of the enamel. Current research indicates that used daily over a few months has a dramatic impact on enamel remineralization.

      The current toothpaste and technologies are:

      Prospec MI Paste (Recaldent)

      Oravive (Novamin)

      Arm & Hammer Liquid Calcium (???)

      The Arm & Hammer you can buy in stores now. The Oravive can be ordered from the company website. The Prospec MI Paste must be obtained from your dentist or thru a dental supplier which is kind of surprising because it is apparently so safe that you can swallow it without worry. (Oddly, it is supposed to be applied after you brush your teeth.) Recaldent can also be found in Trident White chewing gum.

      Lastly, Xylitol (a 5-carbon sugar alcohol) has been shown to have a positive impact on the reduction of bad bacteria in the mouth. Some new chewing gums are being flavor with Xylitol just for this reason. Though I can't figure out why Trident White (with their teeth strengthening Recaldent) isn't flavored with Xylitol. They had a line of chewing gum called "Trident for Kids" which had both, but they've since discontinued it. Maybe it works too well... O_o ???

  12. Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned To Stop Worrying by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ripper: Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

    Mandrake: Well, no I... I can't say I have, Jack.

    Ripper: Vodka. That's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?

    Mandrake: Well I... I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes.

    Ripper: On no account will a commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

    Mandrake: Oh, ah, yes. I don't quite.. see what you're getting at, Jack.

    Ripper: Water. That's what I'm getting at. Water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, you realize that.. seventy percent of you is water.

    Mandrake: Uhhh God...

    Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.

    Mandrake: Yes. chuckles nervously

    Ripper: You beginning to understand?

    Mandrake: Yes. chuckles. begins laughing/crying quietly

    Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?

    Mandrake: Well it did occur to me, Jack, yes.

    Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water?

    Mandrake: Ah, yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.

    Ripper: Well do you now what it is?

    Mandrake: No. No, I don't know what it is. No.

    Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

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    o0t!
  13. Fight Tooth Decay with Cranberries by cciRRus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I prefer to eat cranberries than going through any form of electrical treatment.

    Mmmmm.... cranberries....

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