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RIM Wins BlackBerry Patent Dispute in UK

Guinnessy writes "Research In Motion has won its first patent case against Inpro Licensing. Justice Nicholas Pumfrey rejected a claim by Luxembourg-based Inpro Licensing SARL that it holds a UK patent on the technology used by RIM to transpose images and Internet files onto BlackBerry screens ruling that all the claims at issue were either obvious or lacking in novelty. It is the second European legal victory this year for RIM, following a Munich court's invalidation of a German version of the same patent. The big court case of course is on Feb 24 when a U.S. court will consider whether the BlackBerry service should be halted for infringing patents held by licensing firm NTP."

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  1. Now my blackberry won't make me blue by oc-beta · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a great thing!

  2. Hmm... by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like they aren't going to go out of business after all. Maybe I'll send them an application, I always wanted a RIM job. I just hope they aren't anal about the dress code.

    1. Re:Hmm... by AutopsyReport · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can bet your bottom they will probe your posterior life before they line you up for an interview. I heard they were pretty tight on this process.

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    2. Re:Hmm... by stupidfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      RIM Jobs are available http://rim.com/careers/index.shtml and strangely enough THEY pay YOU!

  3. Whoa, hold the phone! by ettlz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    InPro's patent described the use of a proxy server which downloaded data from the Web in response to a request from a device, then transposed the data to match the specific size and resolution of the device, according to The Times. The patent in question was granted in 1996.

    And here I was — silly me — thinking that this sort of thing consituted a "method" and was therefore unpatentable in the UK! From the UKPO's web-site, the following are excuded:

    • a discovery;
    • a scientific theory or mathematical method;
    • an aesthetic creation such as a literary, dramatic or artistic work;
    • a scheme or method for performing a mental act, playing a game or doing business;
    • the presentation of information, or a computer program.

    Don't 5, and possible 4, call this whole game into question?

  4. Question on Patents by fatjesus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why are companies allowed to sit on patents and wait for someone to come allong and violate it? Why aren't they forced to A) license it or B) to implement it? (If they choose neither then the patent should expire.)

    1. Re:Question on Patents by Plunky · · Score: 2, Interesting
      what you are proposing is the classic prisoners dilemma, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma for more details than you can shake a stick at.

      But you would never get a bunch of corporations to agree on such a thing. For one thing, one of them will have shareholders who DEMAND that they maximise their profits and step forward to licence the technology to get ahead of the pack.

      You might not think they are stupid, but most of them have more care about the short term profits than the long term.

  5. Re:It sure is obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 1996, the use of a proxy server to change data to suit the target device would have been very innovative.

    True, if you're under 25, in which case you probably believe that information distribution (and indeed the world), was invented in 1980's.

    On the fly format translation by in intermediary device was, of course, a new innovation in 1996 as long as you limit the context to "computers on the internet". Broaden the scope to the parent realm of information distribution and such methods have been around for decades and were VERY obvious in 1996.

  6. Re:One major check on the system by montyzooooma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all due respect that's not a great idea. Only allow patents on actual products you can hold in your hand and you'd cut out 99% of the bogus patent applications. That would also be in keeping with the original spirit of the patent system.

  7. Re:One major check on the system by AutopsyReport · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A company that doesn't have employees paid to create new things shouldn't be allowed to own patents since it has not created anything

    And while your at it, completely destroy a reason and the means for individuals to invent and patent?

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  8. Re:It sure is obvious... by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...10 years down the line. In 1996, the use of a proxy server to change data to suit the target device would have been very innovative.

    Because back then we were still trying to figure that "bang the rocks together" thing.

    If we had data headed for a device that couldn't handle it, we just threw up our hands. "If God wanted us to see this data on computer screens, "we'd say,"he'd make them in an A4 size." We hired people to hold two phone receivers, one to each ear, so that users on the PBX who had analog phones could talk to the digital phone users.

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  9. counter sue by Twillerror · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although I don't generally like sueing which got us in the case in the first place RIM should go after InPro with all their resources and crush them like a bug. Someone needs to put these patent companies in their place and set some precedence. This has cost not only RIM, but lots of other people money and time. If I was the government I'd go after InPro as well, think of all the tax dollars they have wasted.

  10. Re:Ok in the UK by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But we all know the big fight is in the USA.

    Why? The FP seems to take that stance as well, but I consider it really not very true.

    Although the US may count as the biggest market for RIM, they have plenty of other markets now that have invalidated the offending patents. And most importantly, as a Canadian company, The US has no power to force RIM out of business (just out of the US).

    If US courts thoroughly spank RIM, it will hurt them, a lot. But not quite the death-blow many people seem to consider it. The world doesn't end at the US border.

  11. Re:The belly of the bureaucracy by dadragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I worked there, you can be damn sure that I'd deny 90% of the tech-related patents that came across my desk, fully justifying each decision, and wholly expecting to be disciplined or fired for not being a rubber-stamp. Then I'd sure as hell make a big stink about it. Why isn't this happening?

    Sad as it is, most people value employment over principles.

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  12. Re:One major check on the system by pdbogen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is different. GP is lambasting companies that are formed solely to wage litigious war against other companies with an arsenal of patents that they have no desire to ever actually use.
    Patents were created to provide incentives to creating new products (although they aren't necessary, as any economist worth his salt will be able to explain); they were created to promote innovation. A company that sits on its patents waiting to sue someone who infringes on them is doing nothing but stifling innovation. This is the equivalent of you asking me a question, and my saying "Yes, I know the answer," and not telling you, but also attacking anybody who DOES try to tell you.
    This is wrong.

  13. Maybe they will learn... by db32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully RIM will learn their lesson with these things and maybe quit going after other people for stupid patents. In the latest issues I do side with RIM, but at the same time, they are getting what they deserve. RIM is hardly innocent here, they did this same crap with their stupid mini keyboard on the blackberry vs makers of PDAs with mini keyboards. Sharp Zaurus was doing the mini keyboard thing about 4 years before RIM put the first Blackberry on the market, so to me this is mostly karma coming back to RIM for their nonsense prior.

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  14. I'm rooting for NTP in this fight. by cwsulliv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIM has hardly been above reproach in court or in its prior dealings with NTP, which after all does hold what are valid patents - at least the patents haven't yet been invalidated in a final declaration by the US Patent Office. And NTP is the company of the now-deceased inventor as opposed to a cabal of speculators who buy up patents wholesale and wait like vultures for a chance to strike.

    But the primary reason for my position is the hope that NTP will succeed in obtaining the injunction to shut down RIM's operation in the US. Only then will the discomfiture of millions of Blackberry owners raise a big enough stink to force Congress into a reevaluation of the wisdom of allowing software patents at all.

  15. Prior Art by Fzz · · Score: 2, Informative
    I was the expert witness for RIM in this case.

    The problem with finding prior art is that you need to find one piece of prior art that covers all the aspects of a claim. You can't mosaic them. The prior art we used in trial was the following:

    • A. Fox, E. Brewer, "GloMop: Global Mobile Computing By Proxy", Position paper, (Sep 1995), Used to be available from: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox/glomop.

    • Joel Bartlett, Experience with a Wireless World Wide Web client, Digital WRL lab Technical Note TN46

    • Stefan Gessler and Andreas Kotulla. PDAs as mobile WWW browsers. Computer Networks and ISDN Systems, Vol. 28, No. 1-2, 1995, pp. 53-59.

    • Joshi, Anupam, Weerasinghe, R., Mcdemott, S., Tan, B., Bernhardt, G. and Weerawarana, S., "Mowser: Mobile Platforms and Web Browsers'', Bulletin of the TCOS, IEEE Computer Society.

    The general concept was clearly obvious back then. But the patent had some specific details that Inpro claimed were not obvious. I believe they were obvious to someone in the field in 1996. Clearly the judge agreed.