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Retina Blood Vessels Predict Common Fatal Diseases

An anonymous reader writes "LiveScience is reporting that Tien Wong, of the Center for Eye Research Australia at the University of Melbourne, is claiming that abnormalities in the blood vessels of the retina can be used to predict diabetes, hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. These results were the culmination of several large studies. This could go a long way towards advancing medicine in the developed world as these disorders are some of the most common causes of death, hospitalization, and disability."

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  1. A diagnostic boon . . . by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 3, Insightful

    . . . with the potential to prolong many lives -- except that insurance companies will use the information to deny coverage, making it impossible for those identified to afford care.

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    1. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Insurance is a gamble against yourself. It's always going to be in the favour of the insurance companies because they are private enterprises, created to make money. Everyone should realise that. Why should a private enterprise be forced to take on a losing proposition? That's not fair. Neither is life! Deal with it.

      The obviously better solution is a public health care system.

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    2. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Insurance is a gamble against yourself. It's always going to be in the favour of the insurance companies because they are private enterprises, created to make money. Everyone should realise that.


      Many insurance companies actually don't make all that much money (compared to other businesses). Warren Buffett has a large amount of insurance companies under Berkshire Hathaway and their purpose isn't generally profit (though a few percent is nice) but for him it's basically an interest free loan called float. Meaning premiums in minus payments out = whatever you are sitting on at the time being the loan.

      Also, insurance companies have to compete with a multitude of other insurance companies (especially in this day and age with instant internet quotes) - so with some half-way smart shopping, you end up with a decent coverage for the premium and they're not likely making a gazillion dollars in the deal and it's not that much of a gamble against yourself.

      Insurance Agents? Well, that's another matter. They may get commission for the lifetime of your business with the company........
    3. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Something's wrong here. The diagnostic technique that has been in use for 10 years (at least - maybe more) is not news. Improvements in detection might be, but TFA claims the whole thing to be a great new discovery.

      Nothing is wrong here, they're just preparing to patent this technique.

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    4. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not exactly true. In one way, insurance is a losing bet against yourself. But in other ways (especially medical insurance) it is a group cost-negotiating tool. My medical bills show me what the "normal" cost of treatment is, then show me what the "negotiated" cost is. These costs are often as much as a 40% discount.

      So if the average "losing" bet against yourself with insurance would cost you an extra 10% over your lifetime, once you factor in the 40% negotiated discount, insurance SAVES you money.

      Insurance also provides a "payment plan" type tool which helps people who don't have the financial intelligence/discipline to set money aside on their own.

      So, at least in terms of medical insurance, it is actually a WINNING bet against yourself.

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  2. Retina based biometric security and privacy. by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is true, I sure as hell don't want my employer, or the government to have pictures of my retina to implement biometric security.

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  3. Re:How Do You Do It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A scalpel, a vial of eosin stain, a Bausch & Lomb microscope from eBay, and a fetish for pain.

  4. Re:Opthamologists knew this already... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same deal with my eye doctor. He took one look at my dad and asked "have you talked to your doctor about...".

    I've been seeing the same eye doctor for about as along as I can remember (since I was young) and they've had me marked down as a high-risk patient for a long time.

    I know my eye doctor is one of the top opthamologists in the state and it is a huge relief to know you're getting top notch medical care.

    P.S. For anyone trying to find a new eye doctor, take into consideration the # of old people the doctor sees. The more old people, the more eye & health problems the doctor sees and deals with. Just a suggestion.

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  5. Re:One test for everything? by (negative+video) · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've always wondered what was complicating just getting a blood test, analyzing it and telling you every imaginable thing about your physical condition.
    For one thing, the tests are difficult to do. Many of the most interesting factors are peptide hormones and proteins, for which it is difficult to design tests. Microarray scanners, which look at an array of fluorescent dots that each detect a different molecule, should begin to make a dent in the problem, but the going will be slow. One difficulty is that many hormones come in several varieties that are nearly identical, so cross-reactivity with the tester will be a real challenge (certain peptides, the zoo of steroid hormones).

    For another thing, much of the body's inner workings remain a mystery. There are all sorts of incredibly important things floating around in the blood, and we have no idea they even exist.

    For yet another thing, defining normal levels is difficult, in some cases impossible. Many body processes operate in negative feedback loops, where chemical levels are adjusted to produce a desired end result. If a person has a slightly insensitive detector for some molecule, and a slightly overactive emitter of it, their level might read as high when nothing is wrong. Worse, many blood levels depend on the exact conditions of the moment: sleep, hormone cycles, meals, psychological stress, minor viral infection, and so forth. Interpreting the results of a complete blood analysis would not be easy.

  6. Re:Chinese Medicine by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is text book Chinese medicine. Looking for signs of these things in the face and eyes has a history of about 1500 to 2000 years. I guess it is good that Western medicine has finally come around, but this is far from amazing.


    I agree to a point - but Chinese medicine is overrated. Many more affluent Chinese turn to "Western-style" medicine these days when they have something serious.

    For every 1 thing they had correct, there were at least 100 things that were useless or worse. That's the problem with something based in tradition without the scientific method to question it: "wisdom" get passed down through the generations, most of it never questioned.

    As a western corollary: just think about the mountains of homebrew cures everybody suggests for a hangover and then go over how many actually work.
  7. Quit looking for a blood test that answers all! by KWTm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always wondered what was complicating just getting a blood test, analyzing it and telling you every imaginable thing about your physical condition. Viruses, markers indicating bone damage, infection, stressed liver/kidneys, metastacizing cancers, there should be chemical indications of all these things in a few mls of blood, shouldn't there?

    Good grief. Sorry, you've pushed a button in me; I get this request from my patients all the frick'n time, so maybe if I answer this one, it will save a lot of doctors (and patients) some trouble.

    Why don't we just do a "blood test that checks for everything"? The short answer that "there is no such test", but then my patient asks for a CT scan or MRI scan, or wonders when we will be technologically advanced enough so that we can invent such a test. It will never happen. Here's why:

    Each test result is imperfect and must be interpreted in light of the clinical context. In other words, you have to know what you are looking for, or else you won't be able to tell what's normal or not normal. I view each test as being a somewhat inaccurate answer to a Yes/No question, e.g. "Is it Horrible Disease X?", but there is no test that tells you, "What disease is it?"

    Just casting a net far and wide, looking for "everything", will net you all sorts of useless false positives that will waste time, cause worry, and worst of all, result in further unnecessary testing that may be risky.

    There are two main reasons for this: test accuracy, and test relevance. Let me illustrate:

    Elderly men everywhere are demanding to have their Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) blood levels checked, because it's not as embarrassing as having the doctor stick his finger up the bum to feel the prostate. Hey, you gotta check the PSA, because --what if you have cancer!!?? How can you be SURE that I don't have prostate cancer, doctor? (Answer: you probably do, and the prostate cancer will kill you in 135 years.) PSA testing is still controversial, and in fact the Canadian task force actually labeled PSA testing as harmful because then you need to surgically sample the prostate, leading to the risks associated with minor surgery.

    How about that? A test that's actually harmful, hmm? You'd think you could just ignore the test result if that were the case, but nooo... now there's a medicolegal obligation to follow through with prostate biopsy.

    On the other hand, if you carry a high risk for prostate cancer, then the PSA is a very useful test. If your father and his father and his father all had (clinically significant) prostate cancer, then I would definitely get you a PSA without you asking for it.

    There's a mathematical basis behind this, so let me illustrate.

    Suppose there's a Horrible Disease X that everyone is afraid of. Let's say it's HIV/AIDS, which some 1 million people have in the USA, but this applies to any other disease.

    Suppose I have a test that is 99% sensitive; that is, if you really do have Disease X, then only 1% of the time will the test erroneously say that you are okay. The test is also 99% specific; that is, if you DON'T have X, then only 1% of the time will the test erroneously say that you do have it.

    I need a volunteer from the USA population to try my Super Duper Get-Checked-In-Case-You-Have-X test. You there, with the Slashdot username "lifeisgreat", why don't we try it on you?

    Horrors! The test is positive! Life is not great, after all! What's the chance that you have Disease X? What's the probability that my Super Duper test, with 99% accuracy, is wrong?

    Think out your answer before reading on. You have just tested positive for one of those "every imaginable things" test that you were asking for. What will you do now? Call a doctor? Talk to family? Write a will? Will you ever live to have kids? Will you ever get frist psot on Slashdot again?

    The answer: there is les

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  8. Re:Chinese Medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please explain why during the SARS scare all those who took Chinese Medicine survived but those who took western medicine either died or suffered a lot before making a recovery.

    No, I am not saying Chinese Medicine is the answer for everything but western medicine certainly does not hold the best key to fighting disease. If anything, it is western medicine that is overrated.