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Retina Blood Vessels Predict Common Fatal Diseases

An anonymous reader writes "LiveScience is reporting that Tien Wong, of the Center for Eye Research Australia at the University of Melbourne, is claiming that abnormalities in the blood vessels of the retina can be used to predict diabetes, hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. These results were the culmination of several large studies. This could go a long way towards advancing medicine in the developed world as these disorders are some of the most common causes of death, hospitalization, and disability."

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  1. Iridology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I know iridology is bunk, but I wonder if at least some aspects will aid in clinical diagnosis in the future. "Rings around the retina" indicating problems with the pancreas, ie diabetes, etc (I don't know what iridology believes, just making up stuff for example).

    It would be interesting to look back in 20 years and see if they got anything right, or if they were a bunch of loons afterall.

    I believe that the eye can show us much more than we currently think it can, it is just a matter of sorting through the BS.

    1. Re:Iridology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not all wilsons patients have the Keyser-Fleischer ring, it tends to only be visible when the copper build ups effect your neurological system. So make sure you get plenty of urine and blood tests before hand ;) The liver tends to give up and pump copper out your urine before hand.

  2. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by RicktheBrick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What people want is not always best for them. I have a good example of that. I am retired military and the military always kept pressure on me to maintain my weight. My wife was not in the military and did not get this pressure. My wife died 6 years ago(she was overweight) and I am still in relatively good shape(I can run 6 miles/hr for an hour and still do at age 57). So even though I did not like the pressure put on me by the military I realize that I am better off than my departed wife. Sure there are examples the other way where people put up their best effort and still get sick. There has to be a way to put pressure on those who do not put up any effort to maintain their health so that those who do, do not have to pay for it with both the pain of exercise and high insurance premiums.

  3. The eye is the one place where you can see nerves. by KWTm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Very good point: the eye, being transparent (in parts), is the one place where you get to see nerves and blood vessels directly, without cutting anything open. You can tell whether there is increased pressure in the brain (the blind spot will have ill-defined borders), and you can actually see whether there is cholesterol coating the blood vessels, or damage from high blood pressure or diabetes. You can even see arterial pulsations, if you look for them. This is a pretty routine exam I do when I see patients.

    All this is from a $80 ophthalmoscope that you can fit into your pocket. As other posters have pointed out, this is pretty much old news.

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  4. I AM a retina doctor ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... and a long time lurker, now turned anonymous coward :)

    Anyways, as many others have noted, this concept is really not new at all. The fact that examining the retina can clue us in to systemic disease has been around for over 100 years. The novelty here, I believe, is that the researchers have prospectively (I'm guessing from the context of the article) examined digital fundus photographs, and found that they can be used predictively in determining the risk of diabetes/hypertension etc... (essentially, diseases that preferentially affect the small vessels in the body). But even this doesn't seem that novel, I can personally recall reading an article about 5 years ago which specifically looked at examining digital photographs to screen for diabetic retinopathy.

    The other interesting part of the article has to do with their work on setting up a web-based digital review center. While the idea sounds great, this type of telemedicine runs into a lot of logistical problems, a sample of which would include:

    -Limited sensitivity - ocular manifestations of systemic disease are not always present, and certainly are often NOT present early in the disease course. If we give high-risk individuals a "false negative" reading, are we really enhancing their overall health?

    -Medical liability - who would be reading these? A trained physician? Licensed where? I am trained in the US, and fully licensed to practice, yet I can't even cross a state border and perform an exam without breaking the law.

    -How are the digital images supposed to be obtained? Digital funduscopic cameras are pretty expensive.

    -Practicality -- let's see, I could either buy a digital imaging system, and submit a photo to a website for review, or I could just check this patient's blood pressure, in the office (or check a blood sugar, or cholesterol level, etc...). These tests are actually much more definitive (we check patient's blood pressures in the office, before a retinal exam!), than an eye exam.

        Ideally, what would probably be more effective would be something like a software package that can automatically analyze these images (with the proper legal disclaimers, of course), bundled with a portable digital imaging system. These would be wonderful for something like large scale screenings of under-served, high-risk populations -- an indian reservation, for instance. Then, you could identify especially high risk individuals, and recommend follow-up with either an ophthalmologist or internist. Though, really, everyone should probably at least have an occasional screening physical by a real doctor (ok, ok, enough soap-boxing).

  5. Re:A diagnostic boon . . . by bondjamesbond · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You forgot to add: "because they are private enterprises" with the government in their pockets. Which is why it's not a good thing, and NO ONE should have to "get over it".