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'Hactavists' Get $3M for Internet Monitoring

raceface writes "The CBC is reporting that a group from the University of Toronto know as the Citizen Lab has received a $3 million grant. They intend to use the grant money to monitor and determine who is blocking information access on the internet." The grant, given to an international project that fights censorship, was given to the group by the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, a Chicago-based institution.

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  1. Mirrors? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't seem to connect to the site for some reason.

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    1. Re:Mirrors? by Fex303 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't seem to connect to the site for some reason. So... How is China this time of year, anyhow?

    2. Re:Mirrors? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I used to work in the local college, the web proxy was periodically updated with dodgy domains.
      One time, the admin ran the update and for the next couple of hours practically all sites were down.

      It took them a while to realise that blocking all domains with *.c* in them wasn't the best approach.

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  2. Re:Good for them... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And on a third note - How much of this organization will be concerned with the truthfulness, usefulness, or goodness of the information being sent? It's one thing to be able to see the Tienamin Square results unfiltered by Google, it'd be another thing to be spending a $3M grant on ways to sneak porn (or illegal stuff) past the government proxies.

    No it isn't. It's exactly the same. Information on what happened in Tiananment Square is 'illegal stuff' in China.

    Free speech is free speech, whether it's political protest or Lady Chatterley's Lover. If we're setting up to monitor censorship, we should not differentiate here, lest we become censors ourselves.

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  3. Just think about this for a moment... by MarkChovain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last month, Google said it would adhere to Beijing's censorship policies and limit certain search results in China to get broader access to the large market.

    Deibert and his team help dissidents access banned information, "assisting them in ways to get around censorship and surveillance, developing tools that will help them protect their privacy online and get around censorship," he said.


    At to the first paragraph, it's been mentioned by a number of people here on slashdot that Google really doesn't have much choice about their decision to ban content Either they block the content that 1% of the population is interested in, or withdraw their service, which connects people with information , from everyone in China; the second option seems more evil to many of us than the first.

    The second paragraph suggests that Deibert and his team want to use the funds to help people such as the people of China break the laws of their country. The Chinese government's track record seems to suggest that they have no problems holding a grudge (Falun Gong?). I know this is a somewhat controversial opinion, but would you want money donated by you being used in a way that is likely to piss off the Chinese government, given that you may want to deal with them in the future?

    Now, before everyone downmods me for my "anti-free-speach" opinion here, keep in mind here that the donors may have more valuable services to provide to these people!

    Finally, am I the only one who read that guy's name as Dilbert? :D

  4. Free Speech 2.0 by SavvyPlayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's only a matter of time before the Chinese government realises that free speech is no threat to a well-organized propaganda machine. The formula we've perfected in the west requires only four components:

    1. Single-party rule, or dual-party rule provided there is no meaningful difference between each party.
    2. Polarization of the citizenry such that members of each party are inclined to prefer gravitas-laden Spin-Alley journalism over fact-based reporting. The beauty of this is that market forces guarantee the creation of these entities at no cost to the taxpayer.
    3. An efficient staff chartered with discrediting any voice that speaks out against the establishment. Again, very little money needs to be spent here -- talking points with which Spin-Alley journalists are free to clog the airwaves are simply published to the web.
    4. Convenience. A comfortable citizenry is a complacent citizenry.

    Item #4 will be the most difficult to implement as it requires a rich market infrastructure that China will likely not achieve for another 10 years.

  5. Is Internet access the only measure of freedom? by Jivha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I laud the initiative, I do(at the risk of getting negative karma) wonder why we're so fixated with Internet access as the sole metric for global freedom?

    Is the press free all around the world? Do undertrials or accused enjoy fair trials everywhere? Does corporate money/advertising implicitly censor what we see in the media? Do citizens in democracies have access to all information that concerns them? Can the poor ever have equal chances to attend universities and schools?

    I'm from India, a democracy and a market economy(mostly). I can say confidently that my answers to most of the above questions are "no". I'm guessing the same is true for countries around the world, including the US and the west.

    So lets strive for unrestricted Internet access around the world, but lets also figure out what else comprises freedom for the non-/. folks out there.

    1. Re:Is Internet access the only measure of freedom? by stinerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is the press free all around the world? Do undertrials or accused enjoy fair trials everywhere? Does corporate money/advertising implicitly censor what we see in the media? Do citizens in democracies have access to all information that concerns them? Can the poor ever have equal chances to attend universities and schools?

      The point of Internet access is that, by nature, access opens the door to so much information. Your local totalitarian government can censor the paper media and just about everything in their country (if the citizens let them get away with it). They can not censor the media in other countries. Of course China is trying to do this, but they still haven't gotten it all covered. Trying to completely censor anything people in a non-free country might want to search is difficult, so most often people will gain the insight that only a diverse media can bring ... hence the fixation on Internet access.

  6. Re:Good for them... by Wordsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pointless is that fundamental to the idea of free speech and expression, is that no entity should be in charge of deciding what's worthwhile speech and what isn't. Ever. Some ideas ARE useless, and some DO have no value, but just you try and get 100 people in a room and have them agree over which ones are which.

    In a truly free society, bad speech is answered with good speech, and those who hear both are empowered to pick for themselves. I can't argue against, for instance, neo-nazism, without first hearing what the neo-nazis have to say; and if we stifle them, their vile speech gets pushed underground, where it goes unrefuted.