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Novell's Virtualization Partnership

Jane Walker writes "The push for a virtual data center and utility computing continued this week as Novell announced that SuSE Linux would have support for Virtual Iron out of the box." Novell has also guaranteed that 'that all existing independent software vendor (ISV) certifications will not be affected.' From the article: "'The applications certification [component] is huge,' said Novell director of data center applications Justin Steinman. 'Customers want to know that their existing applications are not going to break when they deploy their technology [on a virtual server].'"

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  1. definition are useful by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 4, Informative
    For those, like me, not immediately aware of what virtualization actually is, heres Wikipedia with some more detail!!

    In computing, virtualization is the process of presenting a logical grouping or subset of computing resources so that they can be accessed in ways that give benefits over the original configuration. This new virtual view of the resources is not restricted by the implementation, geographic location or the physical configuration of underlying resources. Commonly virtualized resources include computing power and data storage.

    A good example of virtualization is modern symmetric multiprocessing computer architectures that contain more than one CPU. Operating systems are usually configured in such a way that the multiple CPUs can be presented as a single processing unit. Thus software applications can be written for a single logical (virtual) processing unit, which is much simpler than having to work with a large number of different processor configurations.

    A new trend in virtualization is the concept of a virtualization engine which gives an overall holistic view of the entire network infrastructure.

    Virtualization is a broad term that refers to the abstraction of resources across many aspects of computing. Some common applications of virtualization are listed below.

    A virtual machine is an environment which appears to a "guest" operating system as hardware, but is simulated in a contained software environment by the host system. The simulation must be robust enough for hardware drivers in the guest system to work. With paravirtualization, the virtual machine does not simulate hardware but instead offers a special API. Operating System-level Virtualization is virtualizing a physical server at the operating system level, enabling multiple isolated and secure virtualized servers on a single physical server. Partitioning is the splitting of a single, usually large, resource (such as disk space or network bandwidth) into a number of smaller, more easily utilized resources of the same type. This is sometimes also called "zoning," especially in storage networks. Aggregation, spanning, or concatenation all combine multiple resources into larger resources or resource pools. For example, symmetric multiprocessing combines many processors; RAID and volume managers combine many disks into one large logical disk; RAIN and network equipment uses multiple links combined to work as though they offered a single, higher-bandwidth link. At a meta-level, computer clusters do all of this.

    Wikipedia article

    and another great article with an introduction to Virtualization

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  2. thank you novell by Pavel+Stratil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Novell bought SUSE, I thought that nothing appart from the name change would happen. Over the last months Novel turned out to be a big surprise for me. Those guys really push some inovation into the linux world. Just to remind you, there's Novell's xforms implementation, support of a large number of open source projects (i.e. Gnome), or among the current issues, the most wanted win/mac apps poll or the opening the Xgl.. pretty cool.

  3. Who's actually using "utility computing"? by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've not really seen any reports of utility computing really being used on a regular basis. Is anyone actually using it on a regular basis? I can see how something like the Sun Grid would be used for special projects, but I'm not convinced that general-purpose utility computing is suitable for most companies in their ongoing operations.

    That's not to say that virtualization isn't happening, and that it wouldn't also be useful for utility computing... but the real world examples I hear about aren't related.

    1. Re:Who's actually using "utility computing"? by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I can see how something like the Sun Grid would be used for special projects, but I'm not convinced that general-purpose utility computing is suitable for most companies in their ongoing operations.

      My existing client is trying to move to utility computing. And, they expect to save hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of a decade. This is because they have over 1,200 wintel server that are, on average, only using 5% of their CPU. By moving all of the dev and test servers (and the less critical prod servers) into a virtulized environmnet, we think we can reduce their hardware footprint to about 100 wintel ervers.

      On the Unix side, they are moving to a virtualized flava (as in Flava Flav) of Unix, where they can begin to use less than 15% of each CPU (if they so desire). In other words, if we actually make this project work, it will be a huge success. Check back with me in about three years.

  4. 2006 is the year of virtualization... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a month ago, we got budgetary approval on migrating our entire Windows/Linux/BSD datacenter from individual machines to virtual. We selected VMware's ESX Server as our hypervisor platform. We'll be moving over 200 physical servers to about ten of what VMware calls "virtual infrastructure nodes". For storage, we'll be using our fiber-channel EMC Clariions (two CX700's) and some new iSCSI storage. I've been researching this for over a year now and the time is right. 2006 will be the year that virtualization really takes off and goes mainstream.

    FYI: The only thing we're not moving to ESX will be our 8 and 16 CPU SQL Servers. As it stands right now, ESX only allows 2-way virtual SMP. With ESX 3.0 in Q2, they will up that to 4-way virtual SMP. Nonetheless, anything requiring a ton of throughput is best left to dedicated hardware as opposed to VM's. (for now, anyway)

  5. Virtual Irony by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It sounds as if Novell will be shipping a variant of their standard kernel with the changes needed to support Virtual Iron," Haff said.

    I had a virtual iron once, but I had to get rid of it because I became constantly worried that I had left the damn thing on.

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    1. Re:Virtual Irony by thaerin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could never get my virtual iron to work, something about it not being AC compatible and needing a virtual power source. And don't even get me started on the adapters needed to get it working overseas ...

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  6. VMware and VI by TheSpillmonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    VMware and ESX have different market fields. They both virtualize, but VirtualIron utilizes a dynamic linux cluster of machines (there is a compatability list of hardware as well as software, SuSE compatable means on the client side) that requires lots of specialized low lantancey hardware such as infiniband fiber components (starting in the $15k range for the very very low end VMware ESX runs on a single high end box. It has a much lower pricepoint. They really dont cross opertunities as much as you would think. BTW, i have my VCP for vmware and have also been working closley with VirtualIron for the past 6 months or so (they dont have official certs yet). Both are very good products. I cant wait for ESX3 and the next VI product in the following quarter (big stuff happening there)

  7. The Gambit by lazarus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Over the past week I think I have installed (or tried to install) every single freely-available open-source Linux virtualization technology available:

    - Xen
    - Linux-vserver
    - OpenVZ

    Or researched others:

    - OpenVPS
    - FreeVPS

    And ones that are not open source:

    - VMware Server (the new free Beta version of the old GSX Server product)

    My personal recommendation is that you not bother unless you have a lot of time to kill and don't mind disappointment. I have nothing but respect for the fine (and very smart) people who are working on this technology for Linux, but it's not ready for simple people like myself.

    I spent two full days (about 24 hours total) working on Xen and in the end I was never able to get iptables to work in a domain. The documentation was mostly incomplete and thus there was a lot of scurrying around trying to find bits and pieces of info that would allow me to get it together.

    I had the most success with linux-vserver and it was by far the easiest to get running (after I had re-compiled the rpms (fc4) for my x86_64 smp target machine. My first vserver was pretty badly mangled once I was done with it and, wanting to remove it found that there was no actual *documented* process for deleting it. I dare you to try to find a description anywhere on how to remove a vserver...

    Finally I pooched my system by trying OpenVZ.

    Virtualization is a "good thing" in my opinion, and as an architect I build it into many of my designs. But in the free Linux space you might end up asking yourself the question "do I really need it." For me the answer is "yes" as I want to run multiple mail servers with different configurations on the same box. For you, unless you really need it, you might want to see if you can make do the old fashioned way.

    I'm going to keep playing. If something you have tried works really well for you in a FC4/x86_64/SMP environment please let me know.

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    1. Re:The Gambit by five18pm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is the VMware Server? We have been using VMware workstation for many of our tests. It is a fine piece of software. Our testing is basically installing operating systems repeatedly in a hosted environment. If I had tried on a physical machine I would have been hosed long time ago.

      I am planning to move to VMware Server now that it is available for free. Let me see how that gambit goes.

    2. Re:The Gambit by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We are using Xen in an educational environment - providing a network of VMs to each student so they can play around, break stuff, and get some practical experience.

      For your iptables problem... I think you just need to add a rule to forward packets so they will be transfered through the software bridge. Make sure to use -I to insert the rule, appending the rule doesn't help since it will be dropped before it reaches the forward rule.

      I agree with you that documentation isn't all that great right now, but our lab group and several other groups that I know of are working hard at fixing that issue. Virtualization is being used in many new and interesting ways, and the tools and documentation haven't caught up yet. Give it a few more months and things should be much improved. If nothing else, my lab group wants to have our tools and documentation released under the GPL by early May, and we are really focusing on having clear, detailed and correct documentation.

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    3. Re:The Gambit by VAXGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about FC4 or x86_64, but I do have SMP working perfectly fine with iptables under Xen 3.0. By default iptables is not compiled in. You have to download the xen source and build it yourself. After it is included in the kernel, you should have no problems.

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    4. Re:The Gambit by askegg · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you're right - it is not ready for the mainstream yet, but things are looking promising.

      Novell showcased some nice server management technology during Brainshare a while ago. Using a web browser they were able to migrate virtual machines between hardware platforms with very little intteruption (sub second). This aludes tot he future of data centre computing IMHO.

      There are a lot of clever people working on technologies to cluster small machines together to form one virtual machine. This is then broken back down into multiple virtual machines. Administrators can select how much memory, cpu, storage, etc a virtual machine may occupy - or place policies into the system so it can decide how to split the resources dynamically.

      Such a system is a dream for manhy admins. A virtual machine running out of resources - allocate more. Running out of storage space - allocate more. The cluster being hit hard - add more servers to the cluster. A sudden influx of spam - spawn multiple mail servers to cope with the increase. Need a backup of a server that the business requires 100% uptime on - take a snapshot of the entire machine. All using a standard web browser, so administration can be performed from anywhere at anytime.

      The brainshare demo opened my eyes to the possibilities I'm excited!

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    5. Re:The Gambit by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      VMware is a fine piece of proprietary software. In fact, it is an absolute must if you have to make a non-trivial installer for a piece of a Windows software -- I can't imagine anyone reinstalling the whole damn thing every test build. And, Windows doesn't support COW.
      However, it's expensive. Even VMware Workstation costs as much as a new PC, and around here we can hire a person for two months for that much money. Thus, we own only a single license and gradually move away from it.
      Qemu+kqemu is marginally better, at the cost of no user friendliness. However, no Windows version (well, there's always Cygwin+X) and no click&droll interface means that your ordinary admin/coder/user can't make it work.

      On the other hand, Xen is in a completely different league. It's not meant to be a quick&dirty tool to test an installer, Xen is pretty much supposed to be used for servers that run permanently.

      As an example, the setup I'm finishing a migration to has:
      * nothing but firewalling in dom0
      * bind9 and reverse squid in dom1
      * Apache running production in dom2
      * Apache running dev in dom3
      * mysql in dom4
      * Apache running my personal crap in dom5
      Everything but dom1 is IPv6 only, too, just as an extra obfuscation layer. Script kiddies don't know IPv6, you see :p

      With this kind of separation, even if you pwn what is visible to you, you are still a long way from getting to the real meat. While Xen can't manage memory dynamically well, there is next to no CPU loss (for comparison, a 2.0s-in-native test takes 2.8s in qemu+kqemu, 57s in bare qemu and 4s in vmware).

      And about your problem: yeah, the documentation that goes with Xen is ABYSMAL. In fact, I couldn't get "proper" routed networking to work for the live of me. What I did, was setting up a fake bridge (_not_ tied to any actual physical interface) and tying all domUs to it. Iptables then sees xenbr0 as a regular interface, and lets you employ all your netfilter expertise in a well-known way. Yay.

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  8. The future of the web hosting business by spinfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More and more companies are getting into providing Virtual Private Server business for customers who aren't quite ready for colocation or dedicated server usage, but have outgrown the basic shared hosting or have special needs. This is a good environment for people who need a web hosting environment which they can configure and customize but don't want the overhead of an added machine. Furthermore, because of the nature of server load it is efficient to put lots of customers on one massive machine.

    With the rise of the dual core Opteron offerings from AMD one can have a very nice server which can support a huge number of customers. It won't replace colocation for the people who want a very personalized setup or need lots of power but cheap virtual servers will likely gain a higher market share soon.

  9. nice! by slackaddict · · Score: 2, Informative

    Novell has been doing some great things for the OSS community - releasing AppArmor and now this. Nice work, Novell!

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  10. Missed two that worked for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've also played around a lot with the alternatives. Notably missing on your list are the two that worked best for me.
    • QEMU - works well enough for me to test our software on rhat, suse, debian, and (yuck) windows 2000 - and with the accellerator ($0 but non-free) runs reasonably well.
    • UML - I host the domains for 5 friends with user mode linux, and it works just fine and was quite trouble-free, though not as flexible as the above (can't run windows)

    If you're running on a supported OS, VMWare's awesome. But on nonsupported platforms I agree it's somewhat painful, I gave up getting it set up here with non-supported kernels; though it seems to gave given decent instructions on how to build the required kernel modules.
  11. So why bring it up? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The only mention of utility computing in TFA is this:
    "The utility computing, base data center model everyone is striving for today cannot be done without virtualization," Walsh said.
    I guess the idea is that virtualization can be a step in that direction, but otherwise you're sort of offtopic.
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  12. Re:2006 is the year of the next bubble, apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dont confuse vanilla low-end boxes with vmware. ESX allows you to have no downtime, snapshots, use resources cost effectivly, etc. Some applications wont spread across boxes some will. You never look at 1 solution to a problem, you look and see what is the best. ESX or upcoming Virtual Iron has many cost savings many problems.

    So no, the rest of the industy is not moving in the other direction.

  13. Re:2006 is the year of the next bubble, apparently by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Seems like much of the rest of the industry (google, msft terraserver, etc) is moving the other direction, where they put applications that once needed ten large computers across 200 low-end commodity boxes.

    Interesting. So, instead of maintaining 10 pieces of hardware, you now have to maintain 200. And, those 200 boxes will be significantly underutilized (probably in the range of 2 to 5% CPU utilization). So, now, your electric bill goes up for TWO reasons:

    1) You are using a larger data center, and

    2) You are wasting a significant portion of your CPU

    If you are working for a company that is not taking advantage of all of the virtualization technology out there, then you are working for a company that is wasting money.