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The Road to 100 Gigabit Ethernet

darthcamaro writes "InternetNews is reporting that a grassroots effort is being formed to push 100 Gigabit Ethernet into the mainstream. That's 10x faster than the current fastest Ethernet standard 10 GbE and 1000 times faster than "FastEthernet" but it's not going to be here anytime soon. From the article: '"A group of companies have formed to approach the IEEE to get a vote within the IEEE body to start a standard and that's really where we are," Garrison told internetnews.com. [...] The process then to becoming a full standard is a long and drawn out one that could take five or more years. Garrison explained that the first part of the standard will look at technical and economic feasibility, as well as LAN and WAN opportunities.'"

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  1. Is not that wider, than today's internal buses? by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even PCI-X? I'm sure, these will improve too, in the future, of course...

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    1. Re:Is not that wider, than today's internal buses? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oops, apparently they are talking about 100Gbe, not 1000Gbe, in which case it's only a PCIe x40 which isn't too bad since they have a standard up to x32. It would only take a year or to I imagine to get to the bandwidth needed.

  2. Required 2010 Reference... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having a 100Gb home network will begin a Second Odyssey of user frustration: the broadband connection out of the wall will still only be 10Mb.

  3. How about 1 gigabit first? by 330Pilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about we get 1gigabit to become standard first... i have yet to connect anywhere (home, office, school) with a gigabit connection...

  4. Grass root? Mainstream? by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those terms imply consumer acceptance. Even the fastest consumer hard drives can't saturate a 1 gigabit ethernet connection. Consumers don't even need 10 gigabit, why would they want 100 gigabit?

    Besides, while 1 gigabit ethernet has gained consumer acceptance over the years, with more and more consumer-level products supporting it, the vast majority of consumer networks are still 100 megabit. Most new computers might have onboard gigabit ethernet, but since manufacturers keep putting 100 megabit switches in convergence products (routers with onboard switches), nobody can use gigabit.

    Of course, I realize that the article uses these terms in relation to large companies, but I don't think they can be used in that context. Even so, the current equipment to handle 10 gigabit connections is quite expensive even for large corporations, the cost of 100 gigabit would be prohibitive.

    1. Re:Grass root? Mainstream? by justins · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Even the fastest consumer hard drives can't saturate a 1 gigabit ethernet connection.

      My keyboard can't saturate a 1 gigabit ethernet connection, either. A nonsensical observation, but no more than yours.
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    2. Re:Grass root? Mainstream? by MoogMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you suggest we all stick to our 28.8kbps modems, on our 486s with 8MB of RAM, because "the cost of anything higher is prohibitive". Just because it *is* {unusable, unsupportable, too expensive, uneconomic to produce, ...}, doesn't mean it wont be (in the near future)

    3. Re:Grass root? Mainstream? by ditto999999999999999 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, 1943

      - Yes, at the time. I know I wasn't buying one in 1943. Were you?

      "640k ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates, 1981

      - Yes, at the time. I know I couldn't afford more that that in 1981. Could you? Secondly, I don't believe he ever said this.

      "Consumers don't even need 10 gigabit, why would they want 100 gigabit?" - Guspaz, 2006

      - Yes, even in 2010 consumers won't need 10 Gig Ethernet. Step outside your living room and realize there is world of communication giants out there that do need it.

      Ditto

  5. Jumping the Gun by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    but it's not going to be here anytime soon.

    So why are we even talking about it now? This isn't going to change anybody's life (unless you've trying to get on the standards committee) today, tomorrow, or likely this year. How about this be reopened when some working silicon (or whatever material it's going to take to operate at this speed) is up and working in the lab? Then it might have some relevance.

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  6. You all are missing the point by 0rbit4l · · Score: 5, Insightful
    100 Gb/s Ethernet is not for joe schmoe sitting at home on his consumer broadband connection - it's for servers connected to a backbone link. The idea is that 100 Gb/s Ethernet would be part of a server that could handle far more connections & deliver far more throughput per machine, which is important in the datacenter where you'd like to reduce the raw number of machines to save on power (and as part of that, cooling). Sheesh, if you'd stop bitching for a few minutes about your cable company limiting the rate at which you copy donkey porn, you might discover a whole other world of networking challenges out there that people are working on.

    (Obviously you have to have enough bus & memory bandwidth and compute power to drive a 100 Gb/s link - but this is a necessary piece of the puzzle).

    1. Re:You all are missing the point by madhitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think anyone is missing the point...I agree that there is a sub-section of users that are bitching about the capping of download/bandwidth, however, these same people are actually fighting (whether they know it or not) against another few evils. They are also, I'm sorry to say, the reason there is an Internet...without end-users, albeit corporate/commercial/personal, what's the point of an Internet?

      Remember when cell phones were per-second? All plans eventually switched to per-minute, why? ~30% LESS talk time than with per second....subtly disguised as a "new feature" or "that per second was too hard to account for". I've taken math before, per minute (rate*minutes) vs. per second (rate*seconds)....come on. Same with voice mail, call waiting, text messaging. All once included in my cost, now broken out so they can ding you for mo' MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. It's amazing how companies work to make you think you're "getting more" for less.

      Move forward to the issue at hand...capping of bandwidth and transfer. How is it that my bill continues to go up-up-up, however, my service seems to get slower or more limited? Ahh, because these companies know the future...IPTV, VOIP, distributed-downloading, and hell, one day you may even sign-up for a service that re-images your machine to your snapshot every time you reboot it from the Internet or load programs directly from vendors sites...And if anyone thinks that is going to come with a 1-2Mb download overhead or that 5Mb/s will cut it, you're crazy. Therefore, faster speeds and larger tunnels are going to be needed in order to facility this type of computing/entertainment...they know this and will now begin to cut back what you have, in order to make it look that much better when they give back, what you had originally, at a 50% markup....frankly, I'm surprize more ISP's haven't cut VOIP out yet, since they are beginning to offer it now.

      Final point is regarding North America as a whole...why do the more progressive (non-Capitalist) nations have remarkable speeds, compared to the somewhat sluggish availability here? I relize geography is a concern, but in major markets, how is it that the fastest speed is still 1/3 of other countries (with what I can remember as being a higher cost associated with it?). MONEY MONEY MONEY....I mean, I saw an ad the other day for dial up...only $9.95 a month. Dial-up...welcome to 1990. $9.95/month, welcome to 1995.

      I know they invest money to make their systems better and faster and more stable, however, if I pay $50 a month for service, I'd expect to pay $50 in a year, for something better...not $55 for a slower or more restricted service. I'm, by being a customer, investing in you as a company, and your technology....if it costs $1200 a year to run maybe 200Gb of bandwidth for an individual user, they are doing some wrong....

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  7. Re:Pointless by TinyManCan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    10 Gigabit Ethernet can be effectively used. I've seen transfer rates of over 850 MB/s on a single 10gbs link.

    You might be right in that a single consumer drive can not make use of that storage, but there are systems out there that can saturate a 10gbs link many times over.

    Just because you can not fathom a use for the technology, does not make it pointless. Just try managing an environment with 50+ backup servers (because of the 1gbs and 100mbit links to those servers) compared to an environment that has 5 backup servers connected via redundant 10gbs links to the core switches in a datacenter.

    Not only do we get *more* done with 1/10 the number of servers, we have reduced the management and administrative workload and made administrators time available to work on important things like disaster recovery.

    As long as storage and disks keep growing, we _have_ to keep increasing the speeds of the links between them. If we don't, the amount of time it takes to access and back up those disks will increase exponentially along with thier capacity.

  8. Re:so what? by PylonHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ethernet is a local network protocol, and doesn't have much to do with the way you communicate across the internet. This will help anyone running more than one machine in a particular location.

    Businesses will benefit, and users with more than one machine at home will benefit.

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