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Congress Made Wikipedia Changes

Dr Occult writes "BBC news is reporting misuse of Wikipedia by politicians for 'polishing' their images. The article on President Bush has been altered so many times - not just from within Congress - that Wikipedia's volunteer monitors have had to block further 'editing'." From the article: "Wikipedia says the controversy raises questions about whether it is ethical for those with a vested interest in the subject to edit entries about it. It said the Congressional computer network has been blocked from editing for brief periods on a number of occasions in the last six months due to the inappropriate contributions."

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  1. The Venn Diagram of Statements by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine a Venn Diagram with two overlapping circles. One circle is truth, the other is opinion and fiction. Now, any statement made by an individual fits in one of these two circles but is it in the overlapping area?

    Wikipedia needs to decide whether it should accept those which fall in the middle overlapping area or reject them outright. It seems that for some issues Wikipedia allows the overlapping area (like String Theory) to remain as long as there is a footnote or notation that this is opinion, theoretical or possibly untrue. So perhaps they should make it clear that if a piece of information lies in the overlap, you need to state so or it will be deleted.

    Many people put fogs over their past and history is hard to verify. For these people, their biographical entries in Wikipedia may need to be covered with disclaimers saying that very little is verifiable about their background because of the individual's actions and unclear testimonials from people surrounding them. It's a shame that the majority of these people are politicians ... but bad-mouthing politicians is all too easy so I'll leave that to someone else.

    Since our political system is divided in a very childish way (two parties), I have always dreamed to see the day that the GPO releases two volumes one year after each president has left office. Each volume would be an account from either side of congress commenting on the actions of the president. The preface could be all public documents proving actions taken by the president while in his presidency. These two books could be made available very cheaply (as a type of public service) and the public could enjoy that for free ... say, why not do a webpage instead (even cheaper) and have Wikipedia send a liaison to Congress to record it?

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    1. Re:The Venn Diagram of Statements by tolkienfan · · Score: 4, Interesting
      That's a really good idea.

      Entries could include an indication of the amount of "activity" that has occured, which will give the reader an instant idea if the text is controversial.

  2. all writing is... by pvt_medic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    politically motivated. History is written by the victors. Wikipedia just gets the scrutinization because it is in the spot light.

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  3. implement a mod system by brenddie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe some kind of /. mod system can be used to aprove edits.
    The edit wont be added until some score is reached. If the edit is declined then you can extract keywords from that edit and use them to lower the score for future similar edits automaticly ala lame filter.

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    1. Re:implement a mod system by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Moderation works OK here, but I don't think it would work well for wikipedia.

      I suggested here once before to make time the element of data integrity.

      If a particular article is "hot", slow down the number of edits per day, week, month or whatever. Especially edits from the same person and/or IP address or subnet.

      Slashdot has implemented things similar to this like taking 60 seconds between posts (Slow down cowboy!), and by punishing logged in users that have submitted posts anonymously. Its been a while since the latter has affected me, and I don't remember the details, but it sucked, and I wished that the slashcode was telling me what I was being punished for.

      But its simple. If an article is modified X times in a certain period of time, then it is "hot". Just slow down the rate that people can make changes. The majority of the people out there are more OK than evil, so slowing down the evil people will allow more of the good guys to make the truth to be known.

      Again, a good quote from a nice lunatic:

      "There's no right, there's no wrong, there's only popular opinion."

      -- Jeffrey Goines, 12 Monkeys

  4. Common Sense, please by dlc3007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) always double-check everything. I know that this has been stated before in every discussion concerning Wikipedia, but it is worth repeating. 2) The formula for accuracy that has always existed for Wikipedia still applies. The more people looking at an entry, the better the chance for false statements to be identified as such and corrected. 3) Vandals will always exist -- whether they are 12 year-olds getting giggles or Congressional staffers applying spin. The difference is that they will get bored and leave while people who care about Wikipedia will stay. If anyone thinks that this is a Wikipedia issue, you should go back and read yesterday's story about censorship on NASA's website.

  5. Entry on Bush by thej1nx · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The article on President Bush has been altered so many times - not just from within Congress - that Wikipedia's volunteer monitors have had to block further 'editing'.

    But this is the guy who alters and retroactively 'edits' his statements and claims every other day(Osama was responsible for 911 => Saddam was responsible for 911 => Saddam has WMD => Ok, he didn't have WMD, but he was a dangerous guy => Ok Saddam is gone but oh, this country needs our presence )!!! *Ofcourse* his entry had to be altered all the time to take this into accomodation. :)

    I think Wikipedia monitors should reconsider this one!

    Else how will we keep track after another 10 years of, what US is doing trying to wipe out the Kangaroos and how exactly they were directly responsible for 911 ? :p

  6. Wikifidlers by JamieKitson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Do you think "fidler" is becoming the defacto term for describing people who edit wikis? And is this all the fault of the register?

  7. Re:Block 'em all. by BeardsmoreA · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Because in the real world they could just go home and do it from there, or use their smartphone to make the edits, or... etc. Slashdotters are always flaming government for trying to apply legal band aids to technical problems (e.g. your quaint yankee DMCA), but sometimes you have to accept that there aren't technical solutions to social problems.

    I personally think Wikipedia does accept that, and that's why it (more or less, with obvious noisily reported exceptions) works. Most people, most of the time, act pretty sensibly, and now and then when someone doesn't, you just have to hope that the rest of the population can outweigh them.

  8. Re:Not just wikipedia by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The war in Iraq is about WMD.
    The war in Iraq is a part of the global war against terror, it was never about WMD.
    The war in Iraq is about liberating its people, it is about democracy and nothing to do with terrorism.


    Actually that's a good example of a shallow understanding of a historical event, a politically biased statement. In other words something that would be worthy of an edit on the Wiki, and invariably such edits would be labeled as politically biased by those of the opposite political bias who preferred the original politically biased text. In reality the War in Iraq was about all of the above and more. The "WMD" angle was merely what was used to sell the war to the UN. That was an intense high profile effort and it's natural for people to focus on this one motivation even when they have no political bias. However when honest unbiased historian sit down some day to write the history of war the motivations will be far more complex.

  9. Re:Complex reasons such as.....OIL! by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But, of course, the war was always about controlling the oil.

    You could make the same statement about World War II in the Pacific. The US turned off Imperial Japan's oil, Imperial Japan pulled out a map to find the closest source, drew a line and noticed that it passed right between rather large US and British naval bases, and so decided to attack the US and the British. Of course saying that either war was all about oil is grossly simplistic and naive, but like WMD, oil is something simple to focus on. A convenient catchword, allows use of large fonts so that a bumber sticker can be read at a distance, ...

    The first gulf war was more about oil than the second. An invasion of Saudi Arabia would have had a dramatic effect. The second gulf war was pretty much about removing Saadam, securing the oil was important with respect to reconstruction not with respect to invading in the first place. And that is why disrupting oil is so important to the insurgents. They do not fear US corporations getting their hands on it, hell they'd probably partner with them as they did in the past. They fear the Iraqi government getting their hands on it, using it for reconstruction, establing physical and economic security, ... The insurgents need the instability, they need the US footing the bill for reconstruction, so that they can return to power.