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RIM Announces Workaround in NTP Case

Justin Michael writes "RIM announces they have a software solution in the event that the courts rules in favor of NTP. The fix is called their multi-mode edition. Customers are being told that they do not need to take action yet, but would need to install the multi-mode edition on both servers and handhelds." A Reuters article also covers the announcement. From that article: "The company said it will soon begin shipping handsets with the software update in a dormant mode. It will make the update available at www.blackberry.com/workaround at a later, but as yet unspecified, date. RIM said the changes would require software updates, but the new system will deliver the same functions and performance."

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  1. Watch Out RIM: by slashbob22 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just when you thought you were safe, another patent was approved:

    Patent 6666666:
    Title: WEW (Wireless Email Workaround)

    Abstract: A method of using wireless email in another fashion different than the original infringing one.

    What is claimed:
    1. Send Email Differently
    2. The method of claim (1) used to "workaround" another method.

    This one is so generic it must be airtight.

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  2. Excellent! by Jeian · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess their employees won't be losing their RIM jobs after all.

  3. Fixed that too by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry, we are already working on a workaround to the workaround, it is tenatively called 'Circle Work'

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  4. maybe i'm wrong? by rwven · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe i'm wrong, but i could have sworn they (RIM) came out with this information several weeks ago...

    Does anyone else remember seeing this elsewhere?

    1. Re:maybe i'm wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      They've been claiming for awhile that they had a work-around. I think the news now is that they claim to have tested the work-around

      Here's another article

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&si d=a63OizUWrfYI&refer=canada

  5. Same functions and performance? by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RIM said the changes would require software updates, but the new system will deliver the same functions and performance.

    If that's the case, why haven't they switched already?

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    1. Re:Same functions and performance? by Vengeance · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I cannot say for certain, but given the current perilous status of the NTP patents, it may just turn out to be unnecessary. It seems the Patent Office is overturning these things, but operating even more slowly than the courts.

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    2. Re:Same functions and performance? by Lendrick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Two possibilities come to mind:

      1. Don't mess with a working system if you don't have to. There may be bugs in the new one, and why expose your users to that unless it's absolutely necessary?
      2. Maybe the new process requires more computing power on the server end.

    3. Re:Same functions and performance? by The+Rabid+Panda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because that's sending the message of "Hey, guys it's cool! We won't infringe your patent anymore!"
      It's capitulating. You don't give in and change your product just because some guy says he thinks his patent covers your product. You research it, fight it, and THEN if you lose, you've got to change.
      They're just covering their butts IN CASE OF. I think that's wise.

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    4. Re:Same functions and performance? by Billosaur · · Score: 2
      If that's the case, why haven't they switched already?

      It was 3:27 am and Gerry was staring at the little screen, held lovingly, in the palm of his hand. "Oh sweet giver of information!" he breathed, watching the tiny print roll by on his screen. And then, without warning, the characters on the screen began to change, to morph into indecipherable icons. Promptly, the screen went blank, and then new words appeared... "SYSTEM SHUTDOWN. UPGRADE COMMENCING. ESTIMATED DOWNTIME: 17 Hours." Gerry's eyes went wide, his palms began to sweat, his hands trembling. He threw back his head and screamed "Noooooooooooooooooooooo...!!!"

      That's why.

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    5. Re:Same functions and performance? by pingveno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      3. Upgrading is a hassle for their customers.

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  6. Damn. by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was really hoping that this patent dispute would destroy the company -- not because I don't like RIM, but because it'll take something that drastic to get the government's head out of it's ass and notice how fucked up our patent situation is.

    Sigh -- I guess we'll just continue on riding the status quo to oblivion, then...

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    1. Re:Damn. by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem being that the government has had its head up its ass for so long that it has come to believe that's where it belongs and defends the position.

      KFG

    2. Re:Damn. by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering that "in BlackBerry-centric Washington, D.C., [...] every congressman, lobbyist and political operative worth his expense account has one in his pocket." I would have to say yes. Reference.

  7. Can't wait by hoomank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until RIM crushes those patent trolls. Without giving them a dime.

  8. No, your honor... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

    The algorithm does NOT multiply by 2, as stated in the patent. It multiplies by 3, and then substracts the original! As you can see, it's A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ALGORITHM!

  9. Re:Too Late? by CDLI · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's not what they're saying, though. They're saying that your car's engine might stop working, but if it does they'll replace it immediately, at no cost to you, with practically no effort on your end, with an engine that is guaranteed to not suffer the same problems. That doesn't seem so bad, especially when the original engine's dying is the fault of a stupid patent system.

  10. Already been done by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, I just patented the Workaround(tm) last week.

  11. Re:Too Late? by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No effort? How is updating every Blackberry Enterprise Server and every Blackberry handheld little or no effort? I guess you have never worked in IT because I can tell you having a forced, unplanned upgrade to a major "mission critical" system like the crackberry network is not going to be easy or fun.

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  12. Re:Too Late? by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RIM's other markets were never at risk. RIM isn't even based in the US anyhow. They're based in Waterloo, Canada, IIRC. And we don't seem to have as broken a patent system as the US does.

    The "article" seems to indicate that the changes are to the backend only, and absolutely nothing will change for the user. Everything is identical in the GUI and usage. So this should be a kick in the pants for NTP. NTP now has two options:

    1) Settle for a paltry amount, far less than what they could have accepted before.
    2) Press forward to get an injunction, and have the case die when RIM uses the workaround, without NTP seeing a dime.

    All of NTP's patents (All of them now) have now been invalidated (at least preliminarily), and even if NTP succeeds in getting an injunction, those invalid patents won't even apply anymore. NTP doesn't exactly have a strong case anymore, and they have to know it.

    Of course, NTP didn't stop when the US government stepped in to warn that an injunction would compromise the nation's security, so I'm pretty sure they fall into the evil-but-stupid category that is too both too evil to abandon the case, and too stupid to realize it is a lost cause.

  13. Real justice by casualsax3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be awesome if RIM could not only beat NTP on the patent issue, but go back at them and sue for damage done to their image and stock.

  14. This Just In: NTP says "Doh!" by JustASlashDotGuy · · Score: 2, Funny


    I bet the guys at NTP are slapping their forehead, saying "DOH!", and thinking
    'Ya know.. we probably should have settled for boatloads of money when he had
    the chance'.

  15. Re:I hope RIM gets what's coming to them. by smbarbour · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you are missing the point. NTP is trying to claim that they are due money because they hold a piece of paper that says that they were doing it first. The problem is, NTP doesn't do anything but hold pieces of paper.

    RIM is saying, "We don't owe you anything. You should never have received those pieces of paper, and we will make sure that the issuer investigates the matter."

    The USPTO is invalidating the patents left and right. If (and likely when) the patents are all gone, NTP won't have a leg to stand on. I wonder anyone will sue NTP at that point for extortion due to the "licenses" that other companies purchased.

  16. Why I no longer side with RIM by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main reason RIM lost the original case is because they created false evidence to try to demonstrate prior art. However, they were caught trying to pull this off in the courtroom. Nothing says "I'm breaking the law and trying to get away with it" like perjury.

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  17. Re:I hope RIM gets what's coming to them. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not so. RIM never settled because the claims NTP has against them are bullshit.

    I'm actually quite impressed that they didn't roll over and just cut NTP a check to make them go away, as I'm sure a lot of companies (and people) would be wont to do.

    RIM has played the game very well. The only criticism I've heard of them at all is that, in the past, they were quite aggressive in using their own patents to keep other people out of the portable-email market, so to a certain extent they're getting bitten in the ass by their own tactics. But at least when they were using their patents, they at least were protecting a market; NTP is just doing the corporate equivalent of a mugging.

    However, I have far more respect for them now, given that they've refused to settle and really showed some balls, than I would if they had just let the bunch of shyster lawyers that is NTP (you did know that NTP is just a front set up by an attorney, right?) bleed them for several million bucks.

    Given the "marriages of convenience" that we've been seeing recently in the tech sector -- where it seems a whole lot of companies are willing to get in bed with anyone, including the Chinese government and our own (and at the same time, no less), if it makes them a few bucks -- I find it refreshing that RIM didn't just settle.

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  18. Re:I hope RIM gets what's coming to them. by evilviper · · Score: 2, Funny
    On several occasions they had the opportunity to settle for far less money, and they kept escalating and escalating the situation.

    Right, what assholes. Who do they think they are, demanding their day in court and all? Believing they are innocent until proven guilty? Refusing to pay the required bribe to the company trying to use a submarine patent on them.

    I mean, hey, that's the corrupt system we live under, and they should just have gone along with it.
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  19. NTP in YRO? by Kynde · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who eagerly opened up this thread to see how this relates to the Network Time Protocol?
    I went -1 and searched for it in vain. I for one am seriously tired of these new jack-ass companies starting to recycle already well established TLAs. What's next? "Sony faces TCP inc. in court over patent infringement"?

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