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The Great HDCP Fiasco

Toasty16 writes "According to an article on Firingsquad, our shiny new Radeon and Geforce cards won't be able to play HDCP-encrypted content, even though they have been advertising HDCP support as a feature for a few generations. Want to watch that new Blu-ray movie on your custom built PC at full resolution? Sorry, retail graphics cards won't be able to do that; only OEM-built computers from Dell, Sony, HP and the like will have that functionality built in."

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  1. The day is here already.... by countach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many people saw this coming, but I never expected it to arrive so soon. If people accept this and bow to the content providers, then the DRM world is upon us.

    1. Re:The day is here already.... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Even more dangerous - if pushed I'll produce my own technology and content that is high quality and DRM proof. I think there is a market for it and I have the skills and connections. Want to make us geeks your competition?
      No, you don't have the connections. Specifically, you don't have the political connections that would keep the media cartel from criminalizing what you plan to do. (Because everybody knows anyone who doesn't support good ol' American DRM is a evil ter'rist pirate!)
      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:The day is here already.... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful
      but the harry potter movie isn't your property
      The hell it isn't!

      All media is my property, because it's everyone's property, collectively -- it's the property of the Public Domain. J.K Rowling merely has been granted an exclusive (but temporary) lease by the U.S Government. She paid for the lease by writing the novels, and in return she gets the right to sell licenses for her work for a limited period of time. Once that time is up the lease expires and the right to sell licenses reverts back to the original owner, which is the People.
      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  2. Pirated content by DreamerFi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a result, pirated content (with the protection removed and recoded in h.264) will run at a higher resolution on your PC than content you bought.

    Anybody want to guess the effect of that on sales?

  3. Windows Vista requires HDCP? by masterpenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Microsoft made it public in March 2005 that HDCP would be required for Windows Vista - certainly the video card manufacturers were given this info before the public were. Moreover, what about companies who are already paying the $15,000 annual company fee because they produce HDCP-compliant products for televisions?


    This gives me the impression that not one custom built computer on the market can even RUN windows vista. This is not only disorenting but confusing. Perhaps Microsoft and DRM Gods believe the majority of 'hackers' that break their encryption are on custom machines and this is a quick method to lock some of them out. Furthermore, its much easier to track someone who buys a prebuilt computer than someone who buys parts and assembles them.

    Either way, I agree with previous quotes that a class action lawsuit might be in place.
  4. Re:Just a thought by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, Sony's AC3 format comes to mind. Say hello to HDDVD

    Sigh.

    AC3 is the technical name for Dolby Digital. You are probably thinking of ATRAC.

    HD-DVD is using the exact same protection standard as Blu-Ray, being the AACS system. HD-DVD will also require the same display encryption system to operate as Blu-Ray, so if you don't have HDCP, you won't be able to use an unhacked system. Both formats pretty much support the same sets of audio and video CODECs too.

    As much as I can gather, BluRay and HD-DVD are similar in so many ways that the the most significant difference between them are in the optics and the physical media. In fact, they both use the same laser wavelength. There are relatively minor things such as the control language, and HD-DVD is requiring managed copy when Blu-Ray isn't, but my main point is that they aren't anywhere nearly as different as people think.

    Blu-Ray isn't under Sony's exclusive control either. All but two of Japan's electronics makers collaborated on the hardware format, it is a consortium that included names like Pioneer and Matsushita (JVC & Panasonic) as well. I don't understand why people fixate on BluRay as if it is Sony's format, they should be given credit for industry collaboration here, but I suppose this is one of those "bash anything touched by Sony" things. In this case, it is actually NEC and Toshiba that thought they should make their own alternative format, well after the BluRay consortium announced a functioning optical standard. Indications I've heard have it that NEC/Toshiba's format was accepted only because of shady politiking of the DVD consortium.

  5. Re:Why they always gotta make it a fight? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Then I remember that it's all just TV and movies.
    Yeah, for now.

    How long will it be, though, before being "Trusted" is required for other things? Like connecting to the Internet, for example ('cause we gotta stop those damn hackers)? How long will it be before Free Software is banned entirely, since it's fundamentally incompatible with DRM (regardless of what Linus thinks)?

    How long until the entire concept of a general-purpose PC, which the owner can use entirely as he wishes, is dead and buried?

    How long until this?!
    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  6. I dont get any of this entertainment stuff by steveoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call me a luddite, but I cant believe the amount of money people spend on all of this 'high end immersive home entertainment' crap.

    really - thousands of dollars for what can only ever pass as a semblance of reality.

    Want a real immersive FPS experience ? - drop $100 and spend a weekend out in the bush shooting paintball.

    Want a real immersive flightsim ? drop $100 and spend a weekend learning to hang-glide, and get a feel for what flying is all about.

    Want an immersive and memorable porn experience ? - drop $100, go out clubbing, meet dozens of attractive real people, have real conversions, get real phone numbers, and ... the rest is up to you.

    Here are some recent $0 experiences which no amount of 7800GTX SLI cards can come close to :

    - Hours wasted building sandcastles on the beach with a hot nursing student from china who doesnt speak the local language that well. Teach her a bit of english, learn a bit of mandarin, and engage your brain in the most complex real-time strategy game as you attempt to interpret her alien body language. Still on the beach as the hour approaches midnight, having built a full scale replica of a great white shark in the sand. Accidentally trip over the shark, catch her in your arms ... and kiss her for the first time as the tide laps against the beach.

    - Hang out at a mate's house with a dozen or so others and play an 8-ball tournament, music, fridge full of drinks, play with the pet lizards .. feel good and learn more about the people you thought you knew.

    - Go to a birthday party, get smashed, end up at a bizarre karaoke bar, get up on stage with complete strangers and yell your lungs out. Pile into a taxi with your new found friends and end up at a 5-star hotel for breakfast as the sun rises. Obnoxiously pile up your plates with everything on offer, and charge it all to room 315 before slipping out the back door.

    - Hand write an ultra-soppy card that you make yourself to an imaginary woman that you might have known for ages. Make sure you put your name and phone number on it. Go out, walk into a club or restaraunt and approach the most stunningly unbelievable waitress you can find. Hand her the card, and say 'Hi again - just wanted to say that im real sorry about the other night, I hope this card makes up for it'. Turn around and walk out, and dont look back.

    Dont know - I just dont even have time to turn the TV on these days.

  7. Re:Why they always gotta make it a fight? by imogthe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I admire your sentiment I believe you are fundamentally wrong. The EU populace are no different from their American counterparts (this being said as an European). Witness the European Copyright Directive and similar legislation being pushed through. It has been said before: America takes a right away from the public and the EU will follow in order to 'harmonise'. Then EU will take a right and America follows suit.
    The sheeple in the EU doesn't know nor care about DRM or TCP/Palladium/whatnot. As long as they can pay money to see 30 minutes of advertisement before the feature at the cinema, pay through the nose for their mobile phone contracts and surf the Internet on their Brand Name Desktop they will never know. PC can't play the latest DVD/BlueRay? PC == Borked, get a new. TV can't show the latest DVD/BlueRay? TV+DVD == borked, get a new. Why? Because `that's the way it is`. And so the sheeple live their lives oblivious to the schemings of the corporations. When people finally get their heads out of their collective behinds, take a moment out from the daily soap and reality programming, they _just_ might notice enough to care. Even then my guess is that 90% of the good men and women of the EU will sink back into the comfortable way of consumerism.

    And I think it's unfair to blame America for the current state of affairs. Think about it: When was the last time you purchased a DVD? Was it, per chance, region coded? Did you care? Of course not. Like me you might have a region free DVD player or DeCSS on you computer. DVD encryption is harmless because it's been broken, right? WRONG! What the media conglomerates have done is to introduce the idea that DVDs should be region coded. Ask anyone why their DVDs are region coded and they will not be able to tell you why. "Because that's the way it is" will be their answer. They have embraced the idea that there is a need to make it impossible for 'normal' DVD players in the EU to play DVDs from the States. They can not understand the reasoning behind this, but they gladly accept it. Then the next 'version' of DVD comes along, with slightly more draconian DRM. It will be broken in the end but that is not the point. Once more the corporations have had their wicked way. People have invested in their DRM and are becoming increasingly more used to it. Within a few decades people will not think twice about sacrificing their newborn child on the altar of the latest DVD release.

    My point with all this ranting? Think about it: DVD's CSS encryption was weak, got broken and now is irrelevant. Still they insist on crippling DVDs with it. We don't need to worry about the next DRM or even the one after that. What we need to worry about is the fact that some powerful individuals are looking to take away our freedoms as we know them. DRM is only the first step (or a gateway drug if you will). While the people with the knowledge about both sides of DRM fuss about the latest incarnation of CrippleWare we are missing the bigger picture. Go read the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller and you will see what I mean.

    I'll go back to my cave now.