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360 Hackers Claim Full Read/Write Ability

Technology Sweden writes "According to the site Xbox-Scene, a program is available to transfer saved-games and more from the memory card or hard drive. This opens up a whole new world for the 360. Soon we might be able to run our own home brewed games and show our favourite Xvid movies."

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  1. Good News for the Homebrews by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative
    So there are already sites out there for Dreamcast, Xbox, PS2 and a multitude of other consoles/handhelds. This will make it a lot easier for homebrew execution to get started on the Xbox 360 for those who welcome it. It technically isn't legal since these developers don't have developer licenses but since they don't sell their homebrew apps, they usually aren't targeted.

    What a lot of people are interested in will probably be the porting of older consoles through known emulators to the Xbox 360. I don't want an Xbox 360 but we'll see how well this development takes off. I long for an emulator that plays my old SNES games as it is kind of cumbersome to have many many systems to hook up. A fully functioning Link to the Past on Xbox 360 would make me buy it.

    For those of you looking for free game ISOs to dump from the internet to your Xbox 360, this is not something that will allow this yet as from the article:
    Note: Before people try to launch crazy ideas again: No this does not allow you to copy retail games (signed for XBOX360DVD media only) to the HD and play them. It's a tool that gives you access to the Xbox 360 HD and Memcard from a PC, it does not hack/bypass any security.
    So there's no free games yet. On top of that, you can't shell out the boot sequence from a disc to use it for launching your own homemade application. Hopefully we'll see that in a few more months. I myself am not really interested in "free" games, just want to be able to use my Xbox as a real toy instead of the confines of those who can afford the insane developer's license fee.

    Anyone else notice that this article reads like an advertisement for 360gamesaves? There's three links to it.
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    1. Re:Good News for the Homebrews by TheFlamingoKing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "I long for an emulator that plays my old SNES games as it is kind of cumbersome to have many many systems to hook up. A fully functioning Link to the Past on Xbox 360 would make me buy it."

      Xbox and Dreamcast have fully ported emulators that run at speed with full sound. What's the problem?

      I will honestly say that my modded Xbox is one of my most prized possessions. While the Xbox is not what I would call portable it is nice to be able to take all my favorite Xvid rips with me to a friend's house or on vacation. And it was so much cheaper and easier to do than build a media center pc.

      And I think Microsoft knows about this, as they have discontinued selling the first Xbox at $149, and now only sell the Forza pack exclusively at $179, fifty bucks more than you could get a PS2 for.

    2. Re:Good News for the Homebrews by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It technically isn't legal since these developers don't have developer licenses but since they don't sell their homebrew apps, they usually aren't targeted.

      What's illegal about developing for the XBox 360? There's no law that says, "you must obtain a license to produce software for a game console."

      There is a law that makes it illegal to circumvent protection mechanisms (DMCA), but the standard "reverse engineering for compatibility" loophole was left intact. (Albeit not as strong as it once was.) AFAIK, no one has challenged a console maker in court over reverse engineering for compatibility, making it a legal issue that's still up in the air.

      And before anyone brings up Nintendo v. Atari (Tengen), allow me to remind you that Atari never finished reverse engineering the lockout chip. Instead they obtained the patent information under false pretenses, and then attempted to get away with reproducing Nintendo's IP.

    3. Re:Good News for the Homebrews by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Funny
      I long for an emulator that plays my old SNES games as it is kind of cumbersome to have many many systems to hook up.

      So you're buying a Revolution?

    4. Re:Good News for the Homebrews by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2, Informative
      "I long for an emulator that plays my old SNES games as it is kind of cumbersome to have many many systems to hook up. A fully functioning Link to the Past on Xbox 360 would make me buy it."

      Xbox and Dreamcast have fully ported emulators that run at speed with full sound. What's the problem?

      So which emulator would that be for Dreamcast? DreamSNES hasn't been updated for over three years, and it does not run all games at full speed with full sound. Super Famicast is better at some things, but after a bit of googling around, apparently it doesn't hit the all games full speed mark either. It's more like 80-85% with both sound and full graphics emulation turned on. Overclocking the DC can help some, but not enough. Plus, DreamSNES has a problem with the sound that causes the "wind" sound in Chrono Trigger (such as on that bridge to the castle jail) to be played as a buzzing noise.

      When I see a Dreamcast SNES emulator that will run Chrono Trigger at 100%, then I'll start believing. Until then, picture the "I WANT TO BELIEVE" poster with a Dreamcast instead of a UFO.

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  2. All too easy... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Funny

    This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of DRM, it will soon see the end of the rebellion.

  3. How Does M$ View This? by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder how this news is seen in Microsoft's eyes?

    1. A security flaw that needs to be analyzed and fixed in a possible firmware update.
    2. A sign that players want a sort of "utilities" disc that allows them access to hardware in the machine. Much like the Linux kit that was made available for the PS2.
    3. A possible idea to expand upon and a valuable tool for their developers to learn from.
    4. Rest of the world? That doesn't exist inside Microsoft so this utility program actually was never written. We know what our customers want and that's that.

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  4. Argh, Matey! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Soon we might be able to run our own home brewed games and show our favourite Xvid movies.

    Which is to say that piracy of 360 downloadable games will soon flourish.

    Are there really any examples of "homebrew" games for modern systems? Being as complex as they are to program, I don't really see why anyone would bother homebrewing a game on the 360 when they can produce the exact same software for the PC. (Much quicker and easier, too.)

    I could see the possibility of turning the 360 into a PVR, but doesn't it seem like purchasing or building a dedicated PVR for less $$$ would make more sense? Do you really want to spend $400 just to hack it into a machine that you could have had for $150-$200?

    I'm all for the school of thought that says, "It's my hardware, I want to do with it what I want." But sometimes it's okay to say, "this is cool, even thought I don't really have a real use for it yet." :-)

    1. Re:Argh, Matey! by christopherfinke · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Are there really any examples of "homebrew" games for modern systems?
      I don't know if this counts, but there is the newly available "Mario Adventure," which was produced by an individual who hacked the SMB3 game engine to produce an entirely new 2-D Mario adventure. I played it on my Dreamcast last night, and it is a great deal of fun.

    2. Re:Argh, Matey! by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I could see the possibility of turning the 360 into a PVR, but doesn't it seem like purchasing or building a dedicated PVR for less $$$ would make more sense? Do you really want to spend $400 just to hack it into a machine that you could have had for $150-$200?

      You're looking at this problem from the wrong angle. Would you rather spend $550-600 for an Xbox 360 and a PVR, or just $400 for an Xbox 360? What if it could also serve as an emulator, a wireless A/B/G router with firewall, and a three-processor, Linux, websurfing / media PC that runs on 160 Watts? Heck, the thing already plays DVDs and streams music without hacks.

      The moment that Linux becomes available for the XBox 360, I'm buying one even if it means that I can never boot a game on it without Microsoft patching and eliminating my Linux system. I don't care about Xbox 360 games and plan to never buy one; I just want a cheap, powerful, energy efficient Linux PC. Making MS subsidize my Linux box is only a cherry on top.

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  5. RTFA by MeanMF · · Score: 3, Informative

    People need to RTFA before submitting... The article specifically says this does NOT get around any kind of security measures present in the 360, and that this doesn't bring them any closer to running homebrew content or bypassing the 360's copy protection and DRM measures.

  6. Re:Pardon my ignorance but... by sacherjj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do a search for mod chips. I use the X3. This allows me to put all my XBox games in a box and not have to wait for them to load. I select them from a menu and run them. To make storage for games, you will need to add a new hard drive. I wouldn't go back. Changing games? Just hold both triggers and select (I think) and you reboot back into the menu system and start another game.

  7. My bets are firmly on #1. by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft's Xbox team (if they ever had the attitude) learned the hard way about #4, and #2 & #3 are in fact reinforcing reasons for attitude #1 to be the most likely.

    If you haven't noticed, Microsoft is marching firmly in lock step with the recording and movie industries over the idea that customers should not be allowed to use what they purchase in ways that do not make Microsoft more money. Letting developers learn how to put stuff on the machine without going through MS's SDK could lead to homebrew games. Allowing people to write home-brew games means letting there be games that are sold (or worse given away) without paying Microsoft the license fee that makes up for selling Xbox 360s at a loss. Allowing utility access to the hardware might lead to putting Linux on a 360, thus making MS subsidize non-Windows computers that will play licensed games (and make up the loss), or allow the playing of pirated games.

    If this is based on a security problem that can be patched in software, MS will treat it as a critical fix and release a patch for it ASAP.

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  8. XP Media Center lock-in? by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can already play your favorite movies that are on your XP Media Center PC on the 360.

    So now, with a Linux server, how do I emulate the necessary parts of an XP Media Center PC to get Xbox 360 streaming to work?