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Circumventing CAN-SPAM

Dekortage writes "The iMedia Connection newsletter is running a story on how some politicians are violating CAN-SPAM with impunity. Apparently so-called 'political speech' e-mails do not fit the legal definition of spam, even if they are wholly unsolicited and unwanted. In this particular case, the spammer is the attorney general of Florida, who considers himself an anti-spam crusader."

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  1. Send it back to him ... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    a hundred times ... and also by fax ... burn out his fax machine and keep him from getting any legit faxes.

    He'll get the message.

    1. Re:Send it back to him ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. That said, most of these spam-laws have exemptions for existing 'prior business relationships' and I think it could be argued that, by emailing you, he has formed such a relationship. If you sent him a fax request, one letter per page, requesting that he terminate this relationship, then you could (presuming sufficiently deep pockets) get away with it. Of course, you are safe until after the election anyway - he's not going to want to all of the bad publicity he would get from 'suing a constituent who asked him to stop spamming them' (as the newspapers would be sure to spin it) in the run up to the gubernatorial elections.

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    2. Re:Send it back to him ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Poster wrote:

      hmm... I doubt a political spam could be construed as a business relationship.

      FTFA:

      Apparently so-called 'political speech' e-mails do not fit the legal definition of spam

      So, send him back his spam 100 times - its political speech, not spam. And if you send it back 100 times, its definitely a political statement, and protected speech to boot!

      Better yet, turn his spam into a bmp (a jpg or png won't be big enough) with a big "F. U." on it, and make his ingox go over quota. Better yet, a Word doc with an embedded pdf with multiple embedded bmps - really bloat the sucker up.

    3. Re:Send it back to him ... by bombman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, make a lexical generator, that generates random political statements
      about SPAM, and mail those to him.....

  2. SPAM is SPAM ... by xdesk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and the fact that american politicians have created a loophole just for them is almost normal from that sad scene ...

  3. Faux-Spam by Foxman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it spam or not?

    Spam is often referred to as UCE "Unsolicited Commercial Email", which his emails were not. We tend to apply a broad label to spam. Often "Any email I don't want.", which may not be fair in all cases. In any case the law seems fairly clear that he was not technically breaking it.

    However, as someone who says they are a proponent of anti-spam, engaging in "spam like" behavior can only undercut their position.

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    1. Re:Faux-Spam by dosquatch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Often "Any email I don't want."

      I fail to understand what is so wrong with this as (at least) the first half of the definition. My full definition is "Crap I don't want and didn't ask for." Regardless of the message's intent (viagra, pr0n, "vote for me") I count it as SPAM.

      Mailing lists are not. I asked to be on those.

      Mail from friends and family is not. The relationship is implicit permission.

      Mail from companies I do business with* are not. The relationship is implicit permission.

      Most everything else, pretty much, tends to be. This, without respect for how the beltway nitwits define it in CAN-SPAM. *- My phone company, sure. The botique I bought a trinket from on vacation 3 years ago, not so much. And I request of all businesses that they NOT sell my address, and reserve the right to give Hell to those that do anyway.

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  4. What I've found by OYAHHH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is,

    That if you get on the phone and call these idiots often enough to complain they sometimes get the message.

    Just tell them that you will call each time you receive that unsolicited email or phone call from them.

    Make absolutely certain that you put the poor staffer on the hotseat. Make sure they fully understand that who they represent is invading your privacy and that you will not tolerate it.

    If they try to hang up on you then simply tell them that if they don't hear you out that you are a constituent that will be walking through their front door to give them the piece of your mind in person otherwise. That usually really gets their attention.

    Being a bit obnoxious can have it's benefits.

    Don't accept crap from those boneheads, you bought and paid for them to be there, get your money's worth!

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  5. makes sense by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In this particular case, the spammer is the attorney general of Florida, who considers himself an anti-spam crusader."

    CAN-SPAM was never designed to prevent spam. It was designed to codify what could legally happen, provide a way for web-sites to harvest e-mail, and finally, to prevent the states from enacting new laws against these companies. For all purpose, it was a giveaway to BIG money that does spam (and inheritenly, the lobbyists). SO anybody who voted for it, supported spam, but could declare that they were fighting against it i.e. bait via name, but switch via action (think patriot act).

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  6. Does this really surprise anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One of the basic premises of government is "do as I say, not as I do". After all, government is the organization holding the unique right to employ coercion as a means to an end; anyone else who does so is a criminal. Do as I say, not as I do.

  7. Re:CAN-WHAT? by tritone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much spam can CAN-SPAM can
    If CAN-SPAM can can spam?

    Not very much, evidently.

  8. Freedom of speech? by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm seeing a lot of comments here about how "those dirty politicians put a loophole in the law to exempt themselves." I, for one, am glad! This is called freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is extremely annoying...especially to those people who don't want to hear it. Guess what...Its one of the U.S.'s founding principles, so get over it. If there wasn't a loophole in the law for political speech, the ACLU would be up in arms about it, and rightly so!

    On a different note, it is stupid that they are trying to redefine the word "Spam". In my mind, Spam isn't limited to email. If you're playing WoW and someone shouts "Lvl 30 Warrior LFG!" 30 times in a row, then they are spamming. "Spam" covers a wide range of annoying actions in the electronic media.

    I don't trust politicians to define what "spam" is, and I don't trust them to make laws restricting any kind of online use. They simply don't understand the medium.

  9. OT: Incumbency and outcumbency... by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    EVERY incumbent should be thrown out of office. This is the ONLY way to get anything useful, meaningful, honest or good accomplished: all of the elected congresscritters know that no matter what they do they'll be back in office. Three cycles of single term US Reps will solve the problem nicely and convince them that they had better start staying the course or they won't get those annual raises-that-aren't-raises.


    This sounds good, and it seems like a hopeful sign that general approval ratings of congress are at 30% (plus-or-minus), and as a result one might be willing to believe that a "throw-the-bums-out" movement is building.


    Unfortunately, it won't happen. As Tip O'Neil pointed out, "all politics are local." Unless a particular congresscritter has gotten up the nose of his or her constituents, it will be pointed out that "why, yes, all of those other no-good, lying, cheating, votes-for-sale politicians should be thrown out! But you need ME to keep the pork-barrel projects coming into our district!" Much as we might like to, we can't vote against Tom DeLay unless we're in his district.


    Which isn't to say "don't bother," but rather to say, "don't expect a totally-wiped-out Congress in one election."

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  10. Protected Political Speech... by shrubya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wait until stuff written like this starts flooding people's mailboxes:

    Vote for Hot Hot Cocks

    Write-in a vote for Ron Jeremy this November! http://videos.hothotcocks.com/

    Join other supporters of hot hot cocks on our campaign website at http://singles.hothotcocks.com/

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    Yes indeed, we CAN spam! God Bless America!

  11. Absolutely! by csoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is so ridiculously not news. All such legislation has loopholes that protects politicans and their lobbying interests. For example, it's not illegal for AARP to ignore the "do not call list," and as such, the only annoying telemarketing I get is from sham "clothing donation" groups (where the telemarketing firms take 50% or so of the "donation"). Anybody bitching or even insinuating that politicians are somehow "circumventing" CAN-SPAM is an idiot. Such use was pre-ordained in the legislation.

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