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Science and Technology Medals Awarded

An anonymous reader writes "The Boston Globe is reporting that President Bush awarded science and technology achievement medals today to 15 laureates. The list of medal winners includes those who have done work that has 'revolutionized organ transplants, led to development of global positioning systems, and helped feed millions around the world.' "

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  1. Great! by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And since he's so up on the "spirit of discovery" being a part of American culture, he surely wouldn't cut funds for schools...

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    1. Re:Great! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the phrase is "keeping up appearances."

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    2. Re:Great! by slightlyspacey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hmmm, do you have any data to support your assertion that President Bush is indeed cutting school funding?

      According to the Budget of the United States Government: Historical Tables Fiscal Year 2007 -- Section 4 -- Federal Government Outlays by Agency that is simply not the case. Spending for the Department of Education is much higher and increased much more sharply under Bush than his predecessor (2006 EST $83 Billion versus 2000 $33 Billion). There is a sharp dropoff at 2007 to EST $64 Billion but this is still above 2004 levels -- perhaps this is the cut that you are talking about?

      These sorts of accusations are of course nothing new. I would like to make a bold proposal that Slashdot posters actually take the time to read the articles, fact-check, and follow up with relevant posts.


    3. Re:Great! by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If he cut funds for schools (which he didn't do), would that mean that we would start doing as well as the countries that spend 1/3 or 1/4 as much per capita on schools, and still kick Americas ass in Math and Science?

      I mean, the U.S. is doing a pretty crappy job compared to other countries... and we spend more per capita than nearly all other industrialized nations - both in dollars and percentage of GDP.

    4. Re:Great! by flyingsquid · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I believe the phrase is "keeping up appearances."

      No shit. This is not an administration that has been kind to science. Last year they cut the National Science Foundation's budget (the NSF is a major soource of grant awards for facilities, researchers, postdocs, and graduate students in all areas of science). This year they increased it by 2.4%. On the surface that sounds great, but actually that's less than the rate of inflation- so it's effectively a cut, just not as large a cut. As the saying goes, watch what they do, not what they say. And if you watch what this administration actually does- cutting funding and trying to distort research to favor particular policies- you'll see why scientists are so overwhelmingly against Bush.

  2. And here I was hoping ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... to get some recognition for my ungodly half-man-half-ape mutant creation, the prototype of the human-animal hybrid super-army which will set me on the road to world conquest. But Bush pretty much put the kibosh on that a little while back.

    Damn you, inconveniently timed State of the Union address! DAMN YOU!







    Ah, well, no matter. I shall simply toil in obscurity a little while longer -- and then when the day comes, let the planet tremble at my name! You laughed at me! You called me mad! I'll show you! I'LL SHOW YOU ALL!

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  3. vague.... by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article: Dennis P. Sullivan, City University of New York Graduate Center and State University of New York at Stony Brook, for his work in mathematics, including the creation of entirely new fields of mathematics, and uncovering unexpected connections between seemingly unrelated fields.

    Seems that they're REALLY filtering the science news for the masses these days...

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    1. Re:vague.... by strider44 · · Score: 3, Funny

      They had to find *some* way of explaining it to George Bush.

    2. Re:vague.... by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seems that they're REALLY filtering the science news for the masses these days...

      The quote you cite is actually pretty much straight from the NSF announcement of the awards, so the dumbing down happened at that level, not from the newspaper. I had a quick skim through his recently published papers (as in titles and MathSciNet reviews) and while he is obviously doing some interesting work, apparently mostly in algebraic and differential topology, I couldn't easily discern what new fields he's created, nor what unexpected connections he's made - so it indeed would have been nice if the summary had included just a little more information clarifying that. I'm honestly curious now - can anyone provide a quick overview of his more important contributions?

      Jedidiah.

  4. Know Thy Enemy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He handed a medal to Kenneth J. Arrow, Nobel prize winner for "general economic equilibrium theory and welfare theory", and to Robert N. Clayton for his chemical analyses describing solar system evolution. Economic equilibrium, welfare and evolution - none of which Bush seems interested in the rest of the year.

    Maybe he thinks he's at the Olympics, and these medalists need his help to get corporate sponsors for some advertising dollars to, you know, kind of catapult the propaganda.

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  5. Re:Is it April 1 already?? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the whole article is flamebait

    No doubt. Please also post later tomorrow so you can link to an article showing how those scientists have refused the awards and recognition, etc.

    Skipping to tomorrow: <crickets chirping>

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  6. Oh? Did he award one to that dropout at NASA? by geoswan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What a joke. He appointed that militant fundamentalist to censor NASA. The kid was a dropout, who had never had a full-time job, and whose only qualification was that he had served on Bush's 2004 electoral campaign.

    Before he awards any Science awards he should fire all the ignorant political appointees he placed to oversee real scientists. He should fire anybody who is as incompetent and unqualified as "You are doing a heck of a job Brownie."

  7. Re:And They Receive? by jcorno · · Score: 3, Informative

    No prize money, just the medal. This is a U.S. government thing. There's no way any significant prize would be approved by Congress. http://www.technology.gov/medal/

  8. Maybe it's too much to ask... by fortinbras47 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...but it would be nice to see comments on the actual science and prize winners as opposed to ten million uninformative, reflexive Bush bashing posts.

    I'd like to know more about the science. I don't really if an individual poster likes or dislikes Bush.

    1. Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I'm not a fan of discounting everything the man does, you have to admit that for him to present science awards is a bit like Microsoft handing out awards for open source development.

      This isn't meant to debate the principles, or even take away from the work of those given the awards, but it's rather plain to see that the President has made himself worthy of ridicule when it comes to science.

      Even if it's only symbolic, I'd rather see such things presented as national awards by noted scientists, perhaps with an appearance or a note from W congratulating the winners.

    2. Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... by brufleth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've hinted at an issue that is very significant and rather scary in the United States.

      There are large groups of people in the US who despise the very science and scientists that make their quality of life as good as it is.

      Everything from postnatal care to cable TV is the product of science and directly improves the life of almost every single citizen of the United States. Yet there is a definite atmosphere of anti science and anti engineering while at the same time all our pollution and energy problems are supposed to be solved by some scientific breakthroughs in the future.

      This anti science attitude is not just completely a product of the right wing either. Plenty of moderates or even "left wingers" see science as something boring which inevitably goes on outside of their field of vision without need of any public support.

      I guess we're moving towards a society that expects massive innovation but shuns the very concept of scientific research and development.

  9. Blasphemy! by garrett714 · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA: "--Robert N. Clayton, The University of Chicago, for his contributions to geochemistry and cosmochemistry that provided insight into the evolution of the solar system."

    Blasphemy! God created the heavens in six days, it was intelligently designed (TM) from the start! Blasphemy!

  10. Re:And They Receive? by msbsod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those awards are an asset to the researchers' CV. And that is what they need when they apply for a grant (real money).

  11. These are actually... by This+is+outrageous! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the 2004 medals of science. Why do the 2004 medals get announced by the President in November 2005, and presented in 2006? Is this a tradition, or a reflection of current priorities...?

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    1. Re:These are actually... by This+is+outrageous! · · Score: 3, Informative
      Thanks for the reference, but I don't think it shows what you say it does...:

      1986 awards presented on Mar 12, 1986
      1987 awards presented on Jun 25, 1987
      1988 awards presented on Jul 15, 1988
      1989 awards presented on Oct 18, 1989
      1990 awards presented on Nov 13, 1990
      1991 awards presented on Sep 16, 1991
      1992 awards presented on Jun 23, 1992
      1993 awards presented on Sep 30, 1993
      1994 awards presented on Dec 19, 1994
      1995 awards presented on Oct 18, 1995
      1996 awards presented on Jul 26, 1996
      1997 awards presented on Dec 17, 1997
      1998 awards presented on Apr 27, 1999
      1999 awards presented on Mar 14, 2000
      2000 awards presented on Dec 1, 2000
      2001 awards presented on Jun 12, 2002
      2002 awards presented on Nov 6, 2003
      2003 awards presented on Mar 14, 2005
      2004 awards presented on Feb 13, 2006

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    2. Re:These are actually... by satcomdaddy1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      and yet, from The NSF, and I quoth:
      The award recipients for 2005 have not yet been named.

      Assuming the site to lag behing the news for a day or so, it seems the awardees were just recently named!
      I think we can all agree the President has more pressing matters to attend to than spending his time beatin' up the NSF for not producing those names.


      Had some great flamebait attached to the end of this, but decided to let it go.
  12. Hey, I go there.... by dhasenan · · Score: 3, Informative

    And the math department's decent, surprisingly. Good in geometry; for instance, Stony Brook is responsible for FIST (Fast Industrial Strength Triangulation), which was commissioned by Sun for the standard Java library. (Triangulation is basically separating a polygon into a set of triangles.)

    In case you were wondering, here's Dr. Sullivan's website: http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~dennis/

  13. Golden Aren'tcha? by Nethead · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "...helped feed millions around the world."

    So Ray Kroc got one?

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  14. Congrats to George Lucas by Sundroid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Glad to hear that Industrial Light and Magic, a movie special effects company founded by George Lucas, is one of the recipients of this award. Obviously this piece of news was drowned out by the sound of one certain shotgun blast in Texas.

    A trivia about ILM -- John Lasseter (director of Toy Story) worked for ILM in the early 1980s as a computer animator. The computer graphics department, now known as Pixar, was eventually sold to Steve Jobs, which went on to create the first CG animated feature with Toy Story. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_and_ Magic)

  15. Re:Hrmmm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not that bad. Think of it this way:

    If a Democrat had presented the awards, it would just have gone to show that Democrats are all elitist university-educated intellectuals who think they know better than the rest of us. So their career in politics would be over.

    If a non-neocon Republican had presented the awards, they would have had to resign to spend more time with their families like all of the other non-neocons. So their career in politics would be over too.

    If a political independent had presented the awards, nobody would care and the ability of the scientists to get adequate funding would be as low as ever. And the political independent's career in politics would already be over, by definition.

    But because Bush presented the awards, there are more than the normal amount of headlines due to the irony of the awards being presented by an anti-science imbecile--and that's actually good for the scientists' ability to get adequate funding. And Bush's career in politics might be over due to the sweet merciful relief of the 22nd Amendment, should the Constitution still be around for two more years.

    So, you know, look at the bright side.

  16. No climatologists? by Agelmar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I the only one who finds it odd that there are no climatologists on the list? There has been a lot of research in the area lately, with many significant results. Or perhaps that's the problem...

  17. Good by tsotha · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope these medals were presented on the basis of some sort of reasonable criteria. Hopefully these awards will be what the Nobel prizes used to be before they became a political joke.

    1. Re:Good by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... Nobel prizes used to be before they became a political joke

      What's your basis for this claim?

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  18. Re:So... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...were these hand-picked by Bush himself or suggested to him by an advisor?
    Hand picked obviously. I also have no doubt that he read their published papers too.

    Bush isn't the intellectual featherweight people seem to think he is and his writings show it. He had a good run as President from '89-'93.

    Oh wait... You mean Bush Jr?
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  19. Re:Oh? Did he award one to that dropout at NASA? by breadboy21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You must be new to the politicial scene. If you'd be paying the slightest bit of attention you'd see that lower level positions are routinely given to lower level underlings in almost every administration. This goes for Clinton, Carter, Kennedy (brother for Attorney General anyone), and all the Republicans of the 20th century. What you should realize is that little political games (the Reno Justice department refusing to enforce laws it didn't like for example) are played all the time irrespective of who is currently in the white house. So save your indignation for a noble field, you won't find much to love here.

  20. Re:Baer should be knighted by east+coast · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FTA: Ralph H. Baer, For creating Pong! WOOT!!!!

    Laugh all you want but the idea of bringing technology to the masses sometimes makes all the difference. Look at Carl Sagan, the man didn't do much for the progress of science but rather the promotion of science. How many kids do you think were spurred on by Mister Wizard?

    The video game may not be meaningful in the long run but it did bring the potential use of technology to the masses and I'll bet a lot of people on Slashdot, in part, owe something to this small step forward.

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  21. Re:Inappropriate Behavior. by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yea, I kinda agree with what you said... BUT, are you going to be that guy who blows off the President?

    Getting a Presidential award looks good for you, for the people you work for, and the people they work for.

    Taking a 'principled' stand and deciding to decline the honor might be a quick way to lose your job and any funding that goes with it.

    Science has its share of politics too.

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  22. National TV coverage by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 2, Funny
    To underscore the importance of these awards, all three TV networks and CNN carried the presentation ceremony live, in prime time.

    Viewers were momentarily startled by the appearance of flying pigs in the background, apparently rising out of a hole in the ground leading up from a frozen hell.

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  23. what? by sulli · · Score: 5, Funny

    no pioneers in intelligent design?

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  24. Re:Inappropriate Behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, it would have been really nice to see some of the people being given the awards decline them to show that the scientific community is not to be taken for granted, censored, or strangled by religious doctrine.

    You know, just to give Bush a good shove in the right direction and remind him that he needs science, not the other way around.

  25. Typo by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Funny

    --Robert N. Clayton, The University of Chicago, for his contributions to geochemistry and cosmochemistry that provided insight into the evolution of the solar system.

    I believe that's a typo - should read "insight into the intelligent design of the solar system."

  26. Re:you too could perhaps do some reading. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Better Military Recruiters than gang recruiters. At least they can go to college when they are out of the military. If they join a gang instead, they'll just end up in a different institution, for a longer term, at the same government expense.

  27. Re:you too could perhaps do some reading. by brufleth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're forgetting the cost of mental and medical treatment after they get back from whatever war is being fought this week.

    I'm not trying to troll. The treatment of veterens costs a lot and lasts the life of the patient. It is certainly important that we support our veterans who have made such sacrifices but it sure would be nice if we didn't need to produce quite so many of them.

    Also, I think providing options besides wars in the streets or wars in the desert would serve everyone better.

  28. Re:wait I'm confused by I_M_Noman · · Score: 2, Funny
    when did Republicans become the party of big spenders?
    20 January 2000.
  29. Congrats, Norman Borlaug... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You don't get nearly the recognition you deserve. Since your research in the 40s, 50s and 60s, you have saved over a billion people. There's pretty much no other person on earth who can claim to have saved a billion people with their discoveries. In fact, arguably Norman Borlaug has saved more people from death than any person in history, past, present or possibly even towards the future.

    Norman E. Borlaug is my hero, and he should be yours, too.

    There was a great episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! that covered Dr. Borlaug's work. I highly recommend it for a watch, if you have the chance.

    From Wikiquote, a quote by Penn Jillette about Norman Borlaug:

    "At a time when doom-sayers were hopping around saying everyone was going to starve, Norman was working. He moved to Mexico and lived among the people there until he figured out how to improve the output of the farmers. So that saved a million lives. Then he packed up his family and moved to India, where in spite of a war with Pakistan, he managed to introduce new wheat strains that quadrupled their food output. So that saved another million. You get it? But he wasn't done. He did the same thing with a new rice in China. He's doing the same thing in Afica -- as much of Africa as he's allowed to visit. When he won the Nobel Prize in 1970, they said he had saved a billion people. That's BILLION! Carl Sagan BILLION with a B! And most of them were a different race from him. Norman is the greatest human being, and you probably never heard of him."

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