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IM On Mobile Phones
Dr Occult writes "Some of the biggest mobile phone networks have joined forces to push instant messaging (IM) over mobiles.Fifteen operators, including Vodafone, Orange, T-Mobile and China Mobile have agreed to work together to make it easy to IM across networks.
Third-generation mobile networks can carry more data and move it around far faster so messages really can be instant.This is important because IM conversations typically involve more back and forth than text message chats and it ensures that the experience is similar to that enjoyed online.
Under the initiative, the 15 operators covering 700 million mobile phone users have agreed to use a single standard for IM, which would work across networks.The operators are looking to launch instant messaging mobile services later this year."
Do we REALLY need more stuff on our cell phones?
I mean, isn't an mp3 player, camera, games, calendar book, internet access, email access enough?
Is it just me, or is there not really that much point to this (unless you're deaf)? After all, the point of a text is that you can send it when you're not in a position to get involved in a lengthy conversation, just need a quick snippet of information, or just to send "pub, 8pm". But with IM, you're effectively just having a conversation.... why not just talk? Surely it's easier and more effective than typing like mad at keys that are hardly designed for the purpose?
As long as they don't charge PER message, this is a VERY promissing service. And even more so when the desktop IM clients start being compatible with this standard.
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If a girl winks to us, can I call it a race condition?
I use Ramble IM on my Nextel BlackBerry and it works great as a real time AIM client.
How is this any different than that?
Just different because we call it IM now?
Now, voice over ip is slowly starting to replace textual conversations on computers. IM began as a way to mimick the way people talk to each other on the phone. Text was used because, well, not everyone had a sound card (especially not in office PCs) and the amount of data transfered in voice chat was a lot more than text (and that's not too convenient when you're on a 56k modem or when you're charged for every Megabyte transfered).
Now there's a medium that's perfectly capable of handling voice conversations. Why I know? Because that is (or at least was) it's main application!
Why the heck should I want to "downgrade" to typed conversation? Especially on a "keyboard" that breaks my fingers already when I'm forced to compile a short message? Granted, there are others unlike me who can actually use that tool to type fairly fast, but still, nothing beats the speed and easy of verbal communication.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's also the cheapeast way to mass-send photos etc, much cheaper than using MMS.
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I've been doing this for a couple of years without 3G thanks to applications like agilemessenger on series 60/80/UIQ phones. It is dead handy when firewalls block IM and you need to IM people.
Hasn't anyone else noticed that it is hard to type on a 12-key keypad? I hate sending txt's simply because of that...
As a person also already said, txting is when you don't want a length convo and jsut want to say stuff like: "din pete 5" to make dinner plans at pete's at 5....
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IC - Instant Conversing
It's just like a regular phone call except that you do not dial a number, you just say a name and start talking!
Perfect for those 'on the go' and for use while driving, sitting in a movie theater, or even while in class!
Just like Text Messaging has gone the way of Instant Messaging, regular phone calls are going the way of Instant Conversing!
With this amazing new technology, you will sure to be hooked!
Only $19.99 if you act now, fee will be added to your regular monthly phone bill. Long distance and roaming charges do not apply. A surcharge will be added for incidental costs incurred. Service currently not available in Greenland, Antarctica, and China.
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How is this new? My nokia 3390 from 4-5 years ago had integrated aol instant messaging. In my mind they need to use a standardized protocol instead of inventing their own closed protocol. How about putting a jabber client on every phone? If each provider ran their own jabber server and peered between them everyone could talk to just about anyone. They could even peer with other jabber providers like google talk so people could chat with computer users as well. This isn't rocket science so why do they feel the need to re-invent the wheel?
Somewhere, in a telecom corporate boardroom...
Hey, there's a post on Slashdot with a really wacky idea! Johnson, get R&D on the line. I want a full report on the practicality and chargeability of such a service on my desk by the end of the day!
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XMPP is pretty wasteful, bandwidth wise. If I were paying per kb, I'd prefer a condensed, proprietary protocol.
There is a unified text messaging system, it's standardised across all GSM networks. Yes some countries do have different text message lengths to others, which can get annoying if you send international texts and have them truncated. And there are a couple of countries that refuse to standardise on anything, like the USA, so use bizarre non-GSM systems. But for the vast majority of the world, which is on some variant of GSM, text messages are standardised and more or less seamless.
And IM is different to SMS. SMS is about sending messages one at a time from one phone to another. It only works on phone networks, and the messages are not connected together in e.g. threads. If your phone is off, they queue up until you turn it on; the person sending you a text can't see if you're 'online' at the moment. IM is at least in principle network-neutral; you should be able to send IMs back and forth between your phone and an Internet-based IM service, for example. People can see that you're online, and messages are threaded. The two are very different.
I'll give you the number one reason why I am changing to a phone that supports IM.
WORK!
With all the monitoring they do at my place of work and worse, what I read being done at others, I will take steps to insure my privacy.
Phone calls can be monitored, Internet usage usually is, IM can be as well, and e-mail is scanned, some times censored, and even saved.
With IM on my phone I can stay in touch with those who need me without the interruption of an actual phone call as well as keep my life private from my employer. Also IM messages tend to be more to the point that some phone calls can be. Granted there are lots of "silly" one liners but people tend to refrain from having never ending conversations with them
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We barely have to look at each other now. I work at a gas station and because its incredibly old we still dont have any pay at the pump credit car machines. I get people walking inside constantly complaining about this. And even more scary are people who come in and tell me they have never payed for gas inside before, a 40 year old women told me this recently. I usualy just glare at the people who complain and ask them if human contact is really that bad of a thing.
As much as the trendoids out there may feel that they are the "digerati" since they use all the latest buzzy technologies, it all comes down to one thing: two tin cans and a string. When it comes to communication, people only fall into one of two camps especially when they are young:
/home/mystuff
1. You and your best friend rigged up some kind of comm system between your houses because you were actual real live techno geeks.
or...
2. You were a catty, snippy teen who passed around "he said/she said" notes in school all day and that's about the extent of what communication means to you.
Now obviously there's a right way and a wrong way to look at communication. The right way is to ogle the technology itself and try to learn how it works so you can do more interesting things with it. The wrong way is to use it to pass around "he said/she said" information (ie. what most morons consider communication to be). Personally, I think IM is overrated because there are very few IM systems that you can actually force into serving you properly. My preference is Jabber because I can actually run my own IM server for private use among friends and family. I can also do very interesting things with it, like trigger events remotely by sending commands to a "bot" account. I've got one at home on my Jabber server that I call "Bash Boy". All I have to do is send IM messages to it like:
cd /
ls
mv file1
and it obeys. I challenge you to do that with the proprietary IM that other companies offer. If your IM can't do that, then you're not really using IM to it's fullest capabilities. And that's a VERY basic example. Now adding this IM feature to cell phones is ridiculous. Think about all the fat, lazy white trash you see walking around with a cell phone grafted to their ears in the grocery store. You know why they won't use IM? Because they can barely read let alone spell. Can you imagine what sort of horrors they will be "typing" via their IM???
SnuffyBear25: "i heart u babay"
MotorMan: "yeh"
SnuffyBear25: "whatchu doin"?
MotorMan: "yeh"
SnuffyBear25: "do u no how much i heart u"?
MotorMan: "how much"?
SnuffyBear25: "i heart you bigger than peter north's pole"
MotorMan: "damn baby. git on over here. i got a 40 and we can party"
SnuffyBear25: "i b there in a flash 4 u babay. hugs".
Do we really want to promote this kind of sick behavior? If anything we should be building re-education centers to clean this kind of thing up. Who's with me!
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Think of the 14-year-old schoolgirl (steady, slashdotters).
From their perspective, communication with their friends is their LIFE.
When they get home, they instantly go online and chat to their friends.
When they go to school, they start using their mobile phone to SMS them.
herein lies the disparity: that when they are on the way to school,
and when they are in class, they aren't in front of a computer, they're
on the mobile phone.
If the phone operators can make it possible for people who are used to
massive amounts of computer-enabled world-wide communications to use
ONE device to "seamlessly" stay connected, irrespective of where those
people are, then that's GOT to be an all-round winner.
My take on this initiative is that it will be an absolute massive hit,
IF the pricing is kept reasonable, bearing in mind that it's going to
have to be GSM-based.
What they need to do is to proxy UDP traffic over SMS, and to write
an IM protocol that is UDP-based, not TCP-based, that has its own
_very slow_ self-sequencing acknowledgment (to save people SMS charges!)
This is a step in the right direction. Although using T9 to enter all the smilies is a real PITA. Waht we need is an application that can, in real time, convert my speech into binary, then transmit it to person I'm calling where it will, in real time be converted back into a sound, not entirely unlike my voice... oh.
If people are using your network to text and IM each other, in preference to talking YOU ARE CHARGING TOO MUCH!
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