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Mozilla Camino 1.0 Released

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the be-the-dinosaur's-valentine dept.

Mini-Geek writes "MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla Camino 1.0 has been released. The latest release includes a new tab bar appearance, pause and resume for downloads, improved advertisement and popup blocking, enhanced certificate support, bundled java embedding plugin, form fill from Address Book and inline search of history and bookmarks. See the Camino 1.0 Release Notes for more details."

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  1. What it is... by ZipR · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the site, it is a "Gecko based native Mac OS X browser." How is it different from Firefox?

    1. Re:What it is... by sethadam1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      For one, it doesn't include XUL, so it doesn't support extensions. However, the Cocoa integration is much better, so it looks and feels like a real Mac application. It's gorgeous, about as pretty as Firefox for OS X with Firefoxy widgets. It's fast. And in my experience, it doesn't bleed RAM like Firefox does.

    2. Re:What it is... by rebug · · Score: 5, Informative

      Keychain integration, a native Cocoa ui, and Address Book support all make it a more "Mac-like" application than Firefox can ever be.

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    3. Re:What it is... by generic-man · · Score: 3, Informative

      Camino is written in Cocoa so it uses Mac OS X native widgets for nearly everything, supports system services, and supports accessibility features moreso than Firefox (but less than Safari). Firefox uses XUL with a Mac-like skin for its entire GUI, so it doesn't behave at all like a Mac application.

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    4. Re:What it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Camino is a Mac OS X native Gecko based browser. It uses the latest UI rendering APIs (Cocoa/Quartz called from ObjC). Firefox is a port from OS 9 and below; the rendering still uses the old QuickDraw API.

    5. Re:What it is... by klez23 · · Score: 5, Informative

      FYI, Camino isn't written entirely in Cocoa. The Gecko implementation, and therefore the actual webpage rendering, are in Carbon. This means that things like integrated spellchecking and anything in the Services menu don't work in webpage forms.

      Not to knock it, Camino's my favorite browser. But I do consider that a minor shortcoming.

      Oh, and someone mentioned the inconvenient tab-changing keyboard shortcuts. There are corresponding menu items, so you can just remap those keys using the Keyboard preference pane in System Preferences.

  2. Fastest damn browser on the Mac by rebug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any "Gecko is slow and bloated" arguments can be put to rest with Camino. Before it was a universal binary, Camino weighed in at about 7MB and it absolutely smokes any other Mac browser in terms of performance.

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    1. Re:Fastest damn browser on the Mac by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any "Gecko is slow and bloated" arguments can be put to rest with Camino.

      Meanwhile, "Firefox is slow and bloated" arguments have suddenly gained much more credibility.

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    2. Re:Fastest damn browser on the Mac by John+Whitley · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least on Mac OS X, Firefox has some very specific problems that can contribute to this perception.

      Bug 141710: Holding down mouse button forces 100% CPU on Macs is a real stinger. It it seems from discussion on this bug and a number of others that the real solution is to move Firefox on OS X off of Carbon and onto the Cocoa framework (Bug 111230: Use Cocoa for Widget instead of Carbon. That effort has an independent dev working on a port, but there seems to be little official impetus to make OS X into a first-class platform for Firefox. In response to the obvious cries of "go write code", I don't have the time and/or Cocoa knowledge to efficiently pitch in on this one. Or put another way, I don't have time to be a developer on every app that I use... %-/

      I used to like Camino, and I might give it another whirl, but I've really gotten to like Firefox in many ways. I'm particularly hit by the lack of extensions or search plugins in Camino. In particular, the Web Developer Extension and Live HTTP Headers extension for FF are awesome if you have use for such things. The Sage RSS reader extension is also fairly nice.

    3. Re:Fastest damn browser on the Mac by Sithgunner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Though still Safari scrolls pages smoother and overall easier to use.
      I've tried every gecko browser for Mac OS X, still came back to Safari.

    4. Re:Fastest damn browser on the Mac by dema · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like most of the dev being done on Bug 111230 is by all the guys from the Camino team.

      There are some nice extra features (like the ability to easily edit the search field) in an addon called CaminTools.

  3. Corrected Release Notes Link by Kelson · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link in the story appears broken. Here's the actual ,a href="http://www.caminobrowser.org/releases/1.0.ph p">Camino 1.0 release notes

  4. I just tried Camino by pHatidic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think I'm going to be a switcher from Firefox. The only problem is that I am having trouble finding some of the extensions I need. Camitools is a good start, but frankly I consider mouse gestures to be essential.

    1. Re:I just tried Camino by rebug · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are a couple gesture programs for OS X that you can use. FlyGesture is way cool, and from one of the best indie deveopers around, but at 24.95, it's a little pricey. CocoaGestures is free, but not quite as cool.

      The nice thing about either of these is that you can use them with any browser.

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  5. Not to be petty... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It would've been nicer if the summary actually mentioned that this was a browser for Mac OS X. My first thought was that this is another 1.0 product I should avoid since it's crap anyway on the PC. However, a Mac OS X product is different. It should work until the patch comes out.

  6. Re:Download link by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny

    on OSX I've actually started using Safari more than FF

    Same here. I use FireFox for development work, but Safari better meets my needs for general browsing. Personally, I had thought Camino was dead.

    Is it just me, or does this new Camino look an aweful lot like Safari without the brushed metal theme?

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  7. Re:My Personal Showstoppers by daeley · · Score: 2, Informative

    Switching tabs using PowerBook keyboard is also a bit complicated, as one has to press option, and PowerBooks only have the left one, so two hands are needed. Safari has better shortcuts (cmd-shift instead of cmd-option) in this sense.

    Using the "Keyboard Shortcuts" part of the Keyboard & Mouse System Preference, you can change Camino's "Previous Tab" and "Next Tab" commands to be whatever you want, including the Safari way.

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  8. Uhhh... no. by binary+paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It "absolutely smokes any other Mac broswer in terms of performance?" I'm sorry, have you ever actually used a Mac? Camino is significantly faster than Firefox, more stable and integrated much better, but it certainly doesn't "smoke" Safari. Don't get me wrong, it's my Gecko browser of choice on the Mac, but it doesn't "smoke" Safari by any stretch of the imagination.

  9. Uhhh, pause and resume.. by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why the hell don't I have this in FireFox? Is this yet another case where behaviour that should be standard is only available in an extension?

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  10. Re:It is fast? by pavon · · Score: 2, Informative

    There seems to be a half a beat pause after I first click a link (during the "contacting the website" phase), then the page almost instantly appears. In contrast, Safari begins rendering almost immediately, but takes half a beat to finish.

    If you have a preference about how long the browser waits for data before it starts to render the data it already has, you can play with it in Camino (and Firefox) by typing about:config into the address window and editing "nglayout.initialpaint.delay". The value is in milliseconds and defaults to 250. If the parameter doesn't already exist create it by right-clicking and selecting New->Integer.

    Obviously, this is one of those settings that is far too fine grained to put into a config box, so you just have to make a decision about what you think most users would want and go with it. But the about:config settings are there for the adventureous.

  11. Re:Download link by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, i hope thats not a screenshot of your desktop... #gayteenchat?

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  12. Re:Gecko still messes up in-line formatting by catdriver · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had the text overlap problem myself. For me, the solution was to check for duplicate fonts in your ~/Library/Fonts folder. There were several Microsoft web core fonts (like Arial) which duplicated OS X fonts of the same name. I dragged the extra .ttf files out of the folder and both Firefox and Camino have looked great ever since.

    The relevant links are 316366 and 288047. Links to bugzilla from slashdot are blocked, so you might have to copy/paste the urls.

  13. Re:Ad Blocking by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well .... it looks like I may be trying Camino after all, it does have integrated ad blocking:

    From the Features page:
    Camino puts an end to annoying pop-up windows and advertisements, which makes surfing the internet a much more enjoyable experience. The built-in annoyance blocking technology stops distractions that get in between you and the information you're looking for.

    Most pop-ups are unwanted, but some sites make legitimate use of them. Camino displays an icon in the status bar whenever a pop-up is blocked, allowing users to unblock legitimate pop-ups with ease.
    I'm not entirely clear how it works, or whether the blocklist is updatable, but there is also a freeware add-on called CamiBlock which allows you to import a blocklist (so I suppose you could use Filterset.G?).
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