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OSx86 Shutdown Rumors Explained
n.e.watson writes "The AP has run an article that addresses recent rumors on the internet about Apple Legal shutting down the OSx86 Project, with a statement from an OSx86 administrator. From the article: 'The OSx86 Project Web site stated Apple had served it with a notice on Thursday citing violations of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and the site was reviewing all of its discussion forum postings as a result. The site has always aimed to adhere to copyright laws and is working with Apple to ensure no violations exist, according to a statement by the site administrator.'"
Istalling a HD into a G5 tower does not void the Apple Warranty, since Apple itself states that Memory, PCI cards, and Hard drives are user servicable. Many places do have outragous prices on hardware upgrades, but your son was pretty dumb to go along with Apple for this.
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Just so you know, that idea's as old as the 80s, and won't work.
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You're allowed to violate copyrights and trademarks if it's essential in order to interoperate with platforms.
975 F.2d 832, 24 USPQ2d 1015
http://digital-law-online.info/cases/24PQ2D1015.h
Also case law in the Game Boy field (think that was Codemasters v. Nintendo), allowing them to violate the trademark on the Nintendo logo by putting it in the ROM.
Sony tried similar in the PlayStation's expansion port's header, which was shamelessly exploited by Datel, Future Console Design and others for the original Xploder cartridges and other similar things (GameShark); Sony gave up, and did not sue.
If you look at the OSX86project.org site you might notice that the only real change is that there are no longer any links to the patches at http://maxxuss.hotbox.ru/. So don't post a link and you should be fine.
Nobody was violating Apple's copyright. Apple is (ab)using the DMCA to shut these guys down.
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The driver API is open to everyone. You can go to develop.apple.com and read all you want about it. They don't include the startup routines, or how to write the bootup KEXT's, but you can do anything you would like post-boot.
Good god, these "I deserve to run OS X any way I like" arguments are tiresome. Go do something to make OSS better if you want to tinker. Or hack OS X to run on whatever you want, and then keep it to your damn self and enjoy it! Just for god's sake don't bring up that Apple I motherboards were made in a garage or that Woz futzed around with long distance calls more than 30 years ago - 30 years ago! - as reasons Apple should "chill out" about people using their software in ways they don't like.
I have had this discussion with half a dozen people who are looking forward to being able to use OS.X on their low-end noname PC boxes and laptops with all the stability that it would run on a Mac. Running OS.X on regular PC systems will be possilbe, but it is also going to degenerate into a war between the Apple team working on the locking scheme and whatever crackers there are trying to make OS.X work on their PC boxes. Even if the crackers succeed keeping the OS running most of the time, OS.X on non Apple hardware will never be all that stable, I know that from experience having seen cracked OS.X installations in action (and this on a high end PC laptop, not some cheap-ass noname crapware). Furthermore even if you can run OS.X on your cheapo PC system you will not be able to patch it without worrying about your computer not booting because Apple has shipped a new counter patch to the latest hack with it's newest patch cluster. Basically you would be better off using Linux, yes you will still have to spend a few hours recompiling your kernel and tweaking drivers to get your WIFI to work and you will always have minor issues but at least you won't have to worry about your computer not booting after installing a patch cluster. I would trust my data to Linux long before I would entrust it to a hacked OS.X version running on a Dell laptop.
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WTF you need a link for? Nobody here is interested in any "article" when we can gather what we should think right from the official Slashdot descriptions!
Having 3 PC's and 2 macs in my house, I can say that the macs preform much, much better under stress than the PC's do.
.... doing whatever you please to do with the computer.
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optiplex G1 p450 512mb ram, 40 gig hdd
homebuilt AMD XP 2400+, 1 gig ram, 2x160gig hdds, geforce 6800
homebuilt AMD sempron 3200, 1 gig ram, 1x 34 gig raptor 10krpm hdd, 1x300gig sata2 hdd.
Mac Powerbook G4 1.67ghz, 1.5gig ram, 80gig 7200rpm hdd, radeon 9700
Mac Mini 1.54ghz, 1 gig ram, 80 gig 5400rpm hdd
I can say that for the past 9 months that I have used the powerbook exclusively for web design and program, that it has worked utterly flawlessly while I often sit and wait on my PC's to do something, I am busy working and being productive with my mac.
Anyone such as yourself can compare two machines that are completely off balanced and get bad results.
For one, the machine you are 'testing' on does not run OS X, which is the main point of this entire thread. Secondly, OS 8,which you are probably running, and OS X are worlds, galaxies apart in performance and stability.
In some 8 months I haven't ever once had to switch off the power to my macs because they locked up due to a system problem. I do it quite frequently on my PC's. This alone speaks volumes about the stability.
From your own statements are you about as clueless as most politicians are on real life issues facing their jurisdictions.
Not to mention that on most windows machines a vast portion of the resources is devoted to security and virus scanning, where as on an OS X system the vast majority of resources is devoted to
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx104.html
While I think this is crap from an "exploration" point of view, this is completely legit from a business/legal point of view. However I dont see how this could prevent you from running MSFT or other OS on the hardware unless it is stated as an EULA on the box/manuals.
Although, when I get my new MacBook I am really interested in Dual Booting MSFT for ease of having both OS's on one machine, and the power of the Apple hardware. I would think they would champion this advancement not run from it. Bad Move Apple! BAD MOVE!
Franklin and Columbia did the wrong thing but Compaq did a white room reverse-engineering of the BIOS. This is all the OSx86 project is doing too.
No they aren't, you idiot. The IBM PC BIOS was examined and its specs were written up by a team of engineers. Those specs were then given to a second team of engineers who were very carefully selected for their lack of exposure to the IBM BIOS ("virgins", in industry parlance), so IBM would be unable to claim that their work was tainted by that. The second team was them tasked with developing a BIOS that behaved just like the genuine IBM BIOS according to the specifications the first team divined from it, but without ever being in the same room as the genuine article.
THAT is how legally-defensible reverse-engineering works, or at least did back then. The guys cracking OS X so it runs on generic PCs are just patching Apple's code to fool/circumvent the checks it does to make sure it's running on genuine Apple hardware. That's not even close to legitimate reverse-engineering. I don't even think they'll be able to hide behind the "interoperability" provisions of the DMCA that allow some limited reverse-engineering.
Oh, by the way, a Mac can be bought for $500 that will use your existing display and (USB) keyboard-- it always cracks me up when you guys try to prop up your anti-Apple arguments by bitching about the price of their top-of-the-line hardware while conveniently ignoring their low-end machines.
~Philly
The ironic part of this is how the Mac became popular. When Apple's Mac team started to market the Mac, they figured there were three programs any home user would want: word processor, spreadsheet, and database. So that's all they marketed. Sales were mediocre at best, despite what was arguably one of the world's best TV commercials.
The Mac really took off when a little company called Aldus wrote a desktop publishing program called PageMaker.
Source: Keynote speech by Guy Kawasaki, former 'evangelist' for Macintosh.
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I've seen quite a few posts on this but here are few links in particular that I found to be good. I will finish up by saying that Apple cannot win this battle. The x86 market is far too large for people not to tinker.
1. OSX 10.4.4 Works on AMD and SSE2 CPUs Check out the "related posts" entries for more info.
2. After OSX86 Project recieved it's DMCA shut down notice, people are moving discussion to the OSX86 China Forums
3. For immediate questions, IRC Channel is availabe.
4. To search old posts go to the 360 Online Forums
5. 10.4.4 restore disc has already been released on bittorrent
Have any of the 100's of people replying to this actually bothered to visit www.osx86project.org and look for themselves to find out what's been going on? Doesn't bloody seem like it. The Washington Post article was hopelessly wrong and inflammatory, and n.e.watson is a jerk for not checking it out either before making himself look like a complete ass!
At no time during all of this was the OSX86 Project shutdown, nor was there any chance it was going to. It was THE FORUM only. And only for as long as it took the moderators long enough to find and remove the links to "patches" that violated the DMCA and got Apple's attention.
I guess some people don't want to know the truth. Too busy lathering at the mouth over how some big bad corporation has stomped over the little guy. When in this case it didn't.
>> Good god, these "I deserve to run OS X any way I like" arguments are tiresome.
How about the I can put whatever link on my page I want thread. Apple force a site to take down LINKS!!!
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To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
EULAs have nothing to do with copyright law. Zip Zero Zilch. Copyright law mearly says who can copy (reproduce) it. EULAs on the other hand are a contract. Within certain limits which we fight out in congress and court that can contain whatever terms they want. Apple could just as legally say "Thou shalt only run this on Apple hardware and nothing else." and include no authetication mechanism what-so-ever. You would still be just as (legally) guilty of violating the EULA as if they did include a protection scheme.
In all actuality the only reason to include a protection mechanism in the software is because it is cheaper (VASTLY) than chasing down every possible EULA violator. The protection scheme (theoretically) will reduce the violators down to a number that is small enough that you can chase down the successful remainder with lawsuits.
INAL, but up until DMCA, all EULA violations purely civil contract matters, not criminal cases. What DMCA has done is taken a subset of all the possible EULA contract violations and made them into a criminal offense as well a civil one. So for as much as everyone complains about DMCA, even without it Apple could sue your ass off for violating the EULA. The only difference is without DMCA the penalty can only be financial, with it it can also include jail time.
Does your machine not support restarting the Finder? I've been able to give my locked up Finder a three-finger salute and select "relaunch."
-- I'm old enough to have lived through six different meanings of the word "hacker."
Donno what Apples net profit is, but I'm getting 70 cents a pop for a 99 cent song. And I'm signed up through Tune Core, so it's not like I'm some RIAA shill. 99 - 70 = 29 cents to cover the rest of the bills.
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Your first paragraph was simply agreeing with the Insightful AC. Nothing wrong with that.
Your second paragraph was pure troll.