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Microsoft Vista Info Leaked

slashnutt writes to tell us Yahoo News is reporting that Microsoft accidentally released information about Windows Vista earlier than originally planned. From the article: "Microsoft disclosed information about a plan to release eight different editions of the new operating system on a company help page that was under development. The company has not made any official statements about the different versions of Windows Vista it plans to offer. The company has since taken down the Web site and declined to confirm the information and said it will offer more details about the Vista launch, targeted for the second half of 2006, in the coming weeks. Microsoft spokesman said in a statement 'This page has since been removed as it was posted prematurely and was for testing purposes only.'"

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  1. Enough Choice To Choke A Horse by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ugh. Eight different versions.

    Windows Vista Starter (designed to combat piracy of Windows overseas; probably won't go on sale in US)
    Windows Vista Home Basic
    Windows Vista Home Premium
    Windows Vista Business Basic
    Windows Vista Business Premium
    Windows Vista Corporate Basic
    Windows Vista Corporate Premium
    Windows Vista Ultimate

    While I'd really like to believe otherwise, I cannot help but think that this will turn into a nightmare for application support. The ones that worry the most are the two at either end of the line: Starter and Ultimate. Will you need Ultimate to run top-of-the-line games or use top-of-the-line hardware? Will people with Starter not be able to use your program because they're missing certain functionality? Will you be able to burn DVDs with Home Basic, or does that functionality only come with Premium and Ultimate?

    Sure, each version will be tailored to that particular end user's most likely needs. You can bet, however, that there'll be all sorts of "incentives" to bump yourself up to the next level of functionality in the form of "well, that functionality only comes with version X"...

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    1. Re:Enough Choice To Choke A Horse by ender- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would you think that? Microsoft has the BEST support for multiple OS and backwards compatibility that I've ever seen in the entire software industry. The vast majority of current software designed for Win32 runs on any of their platforms from the past 10 years. Can you think of any vendor that has better cross-OS and backwards compatibility support? I certainly can't.

      At the risk of being labeled a troll, I have to suggest that perhaps this is because they don't actually change their OS. They just add crappy layer upon crappy layer so that the old stuff runs because every old Microsoft OS is still buried in there somewhere.

    2. Re:Enough Choice To Choke A Horse by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It confuses more than it clarifies.

      I suppose that's intentional; that way the customer, confused about which 'version' to buy, will upsell themselves, just to be 'safe'.

    3. Re:Enough Choice To Choke A Horse by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When Joe User gets to decide, is he a Basic or Premium home user?

      Premium, of course. Who the hell wants to be Basic? They might as well call it "Windows Vista for Dumb People Too Dumb and Uncool for Premium" or "Windows Vista for People Picked Last for Kickball in the Fifth Grade". Nobody will willingly buy Basic, and that's the reason it exists.

      This is common pricing tactic, and it works amazingly well. Our estimation of value works differently looking up the scale than it does looking down. If something costs half as much but is only half as good, that's not seen as a good deal, where something that costs twice as much only needs to be 50% better to be worth consideration. Adjust this to your products and you can always find a point where people will pay a lot more for very little difference. People will focus on the differences, often fixating on some non-essential feature that they *might* want, and base the final decison on that alone.

      Some people seem offended by these kinds of pricing tricks, but I find them incredibly interesting in a "they're hacking my brain" kind of way.

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  2. Testing? by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'This page has since been removed as it was posted prematurely and was for testing purposes only.'"

    Testing what, the waters?

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  3. Re:Hey, its better than Linux by bogado · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's true, but none of those thousands of versions of linux are intentionaly crippled. Ops. No you cannot run a 'server' with this version or no you can not setup this or that without the premium version.

    Sure, Linux is still strugling with the packaging since there is no standard. But it is getting better and better, everyday. :-D

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  4. Re:What you talkin' about? by mildness · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There's only 2 current versions of Linux: 2.6 and 2.4

    And I've got a bridge you really need to look at.

    Seriously, Voxel even specified "distributions". You are discussing kernel versions a completely different topic.

    Jesus Fucking Christ man. Don't be such a zealot that you can't comprehend a valid point in opposition to your cherished perspective.

    anon so the fan boys don't slit my karma's throat

    (;-{)}

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  5. Re:Old news by tyme · · Score: 4, Insightful
    posterlogo wrote:
    More choices are rarely a bad idea. I dislike bundled crapola that I'll never need or want.

    It appears you have never heard of the paradox of choice.

    In a nutshell, too many choices often lead to a inability to decide. It is the same reason people take so long to decide on an ice-cream flavor at Baskin-Robbins or on a dish from a chinese carry-out menu: too many choices. Most people simply don't want to think too hard when making a purchase, so it's a good idea for companies to make the range of choices as few and distinct as possible.

    Here is an excerpt from the book.

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  6. Re:What you talkin' about? by i_should_be_working · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jesus fucking christ, don't be so ignorant. The only limitation to a Linux installation is the kernel. Anything else can be added without even rebooting.

    But that's besides the point. The point is that there is no company or other entity telling someone what they can and can't do with their Linux installation just because they didn't pay enough money. Unlike this case with Windows where people will have to make trade offs between how much they want to spend and what they want to do with their OS.

    So complaining and comparing the many Linux distros to these 8 Windows versions is fucking retarded. I can choose any of the top 8 Linux distros and be able to do anything in the Linux world easily.

    But if I choose the budget version of Windows and find that it won't let me do something, well then I'm shit out of luck.

  7. Re:Hey, its better than Linux by courtarro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Likewise, I'll bet all 8 versions of Vista use the same "kernel". It's not the kernel that makes things work or not work (for the most part), it's the user-level software on top.

  8. Re:Hey, its better than Linux by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sally has no choice but to pay for another copy of Windows,

    -- Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 8.2).

  9. It won't be that confusing to retail buyers by MojoStan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    - Windows Starter 2007
    - Windows Vista Home Basic
    - Windows Vista Home Basic N
    - Windows Vista Home Premium
    - Windows Vista Business
    - Windows Vista Business N
    - Windows Vista Ultimate
    - Windows Vista Enterprise
    Windows Starter version will never be seen by 99% of people outside its intended market (developing nations). How many Slashdot readers have even seen Windows XP Starter Edition on a computer or in a store (including online stores)?

    The 'N' versions of Windows (Europe-only) will be simply ignored by the vast majority of buyers and retailers. Some retailers (maybe most) will not even stock the 'N' versions. Source:

    Still 'no demand' for media-player-free Windows
    Vista Enterprise Edition will only be available through volume licensing, so retail buyers won't see this version either. The IT folks who can buy Enterprise Edition are knowledgable enough not to be confused.

    So far, that leaves:

    - Windows Vista Home Basic
    - Windows Vista Home Premium
    - Windows Vista Business
    - Windows Vista Ultimate
    Since Vista Ultimate Edition is probably only for the uber-geek, most retail buyers will probably only need to choose from three versions: (1) Home Basic, (2) Home Premium, and (3) Business. For buyers of Windows PCs, that choice is similar today: XP Home, XP Media Center Edition, and XP Pro.
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  10. Re:What you talkin' about? by i_should_be_working · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, what you say is more understandable. But still, it doesn't take much research to learn that if you need to pick a distro for a company you can't really go wrong with Redhat or SUSE.

    But really, saying that there's too many Linux distros isn't what gets zealots like me all in a knot. What is really irritating about these Windows versions is that capability was taken out of some versions on purpose. Instead of making the product better, some "developers" have been paid to actaully make the product worse. Such insanity would never happen in the open source world. If I pick the 'wrong' distro at least it's functionality isn't being limited on purpose.

  11. Re:What you talkin' about? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The point is that there is no company or other entity telling someone what they can and can't do with their Linux installation just because they didn't pay enough money.

    There are always trade-offs.

    Red Hat dropped out of the consumer market. Linspire is anchored there.

    The uber-Geek might be able to bend any randomly chosen Linux distro to his will. The reality is that most of us have to make choices.

    Choices in hardware. Choices in software. Choices in technical support.

    Time and money.