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Film Studios Sue Samsung Over DVD players

Lam1969 writes "The Korea Times reports that five U.S. film studios have taken Samsung to court for selling DVD players which allow users to bypass DRM features. The film companies, including Walt Disney and Time Warner, are demanding Samsung recall the players. According to a Samsung spokesman quoted in the article, the movie studios probably 'take issue' with Samsung's HD841 model, which Samsung sold in the United States for five months in 2004."

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  1. it's all samsung's fault! by tcjohnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: ''The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that the movie industry lost $5.4 billion last year due to piracy.'' Hrm, yeah, and I bet that's all people buying dvd's from other countries and bepassing the DRM with samsung equipment. Oh, wait, wasn't that the Linux pirates last week?

    1. Re:it's all samsung's fault! by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're being made out to be the bad guy because there's no objective proof it is in fact a huge and real problem, and they've been given a ridculous amount of gravy by Congress in the form of extended copyright terms, Draconian copyright infringement penalties, the DMCA, mandatory 3% tax on blank music CD media, etc. The $8.95 billion they contribute to the economy doesn't come close to the costs they incur for *everyone* because of these concessions, in many peoples' opinion.

      They claim $5.4 billion in losses, but by its very nature it's a number that's more or less pulled out of the air with no means to know how that figure was determined, and thus how accurate it might be. Given that many of the individual RIAA/MPAA members have shown a propensity to mislead and cheat the public and have been held accountable by the court system for doing so, I fail to see why I should accept that their reported losses are even within an order of magnitude of any true losses they may have experienced.

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    2. Re:it's all samsung's fault! by PFI_Optix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like the Democrats in the 90s. "The Republicans are cutting funding to ______" when in fact the Republicans were reducing the rate of increase. It just sounds a lot more dramatic their way.

      For a lot of families, it's simple math.

      2 adult tickets at $7.50
      2 child tickets at $4.50
      1 massive popcorn barrel at $5.50
      3 drinks at $2.50 each

      Total: $37 (based on real local prices)

      Now, let's say they get a huge TV and surround sound system:
      NetZero/Blockbuster subscription: $10 a month
      Entertainment system (50+" HDTV and combo home theater system): $1,500 - $2,000, financed to around $50 a month.

      For just $23 more than a trip to the movies, you can watch a dozen movies a month at home.

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  2. Come after me by abscissa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I have done for all the DVDs in my OWN collection is bypass the DRM using DVD decrypter (w00t!) because I am sick of these goddamn preveiews, menus, copyright notices, birth control notices, and other shit. DVD Shrink is a nice utility that allows you to reformat a DVD so that you can put the disc in the drive and JUST WATCH THE MOVIE. Some of these more recent DVDs that have come out require ten minutes of mandatory (e.g. you can't fast forward) viewing of SHITE before you can see WHAT YOU PAID TO WATCH. For rental DVD's, don't even bother... it's worse than the old VHS tapes, even though the retailers are PAYING LESS now to maintain their inventory!!

    1. Re:Come after me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ha! You too eh.

      Ads before DVD's is *such* a scam.

      I don't believe it's all about flogging off the studios other wares either... not for a second!

      I reckon they are *deliberately* trying to degrade the viewing experience for DVDs by reverting back to the ads before the movie VCR model, so as to make it easier for them to push their next generation DVD formats such as HD-DVD and Blueray.

      They want to make DVDs seem obsolete, and equivalent to VCRs in consumers minds.

      Think about it. For most consumers the promise of high definition means jack-**** as they don't have the hardware to appreciate it, so the studios have a tough sell ahead of them.

      It's a far easier push for them to sell their DRM-ed to sh*t next gen-formats if they make the current generation look at obsolete as they can. I wouldn't even put it past them to deliberately drop the compression quality on new releases just to make the new formats look better.

      I have my tin foil hat on... I know what's going on! :c)

    2. Re:Come after me by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the best features of mplayer is it's no-nonsense approach to DVD playback. It just launches the movie. No menus, no FBI warnings, no ads, no crap.

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  3. CPRM is like JEDEC by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Samsung is the bad guy here. Well, insofar as Rambus was the bad guy in JEDEC. Everyone who was involved in the creation of the DVD standard agreed to a certain set of rules that they would abide by, but Samsung (like Rambus) flagrantly violated those rules and put other members of the association at risk.

    Now, DRM and especially things like region locks are really terrible for the consumer, but that's not the issue here. If there were a non-DRM standard for DVD, Samsung could manufacture players for that standard all they like. The fact is that they agreed to a set of rules which included not making non-DRM players, and they decided to go ahead and make a player that is for all intents and purposes non-DRM.

    They will be hit with a penalty, no doubt.

    1. Re:CPRM is like JEDEC by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Samsung is the bad guy here. Well, insofar as Rambus was the bad guy in JEDEC. Everyone who was involved in the creation of the DVD standard agreed to a certain set of rules that they would abide by, but Samsung (like Rambus) flagrantly violated those rules and put other members of the association at risk.

      Yeah, a bad guy like Robin Hood or George Washington - they too violated the commonly agreed rule to lube their backsides and take it nice and quiet. And now Samsung has joined these horrible villains in their infamy. Oh, the humanity.

      Now, DRM and especially things like region locks are really terrible for the consumer, but that's not the issue here.

      Actually, it is. Samsung realized that they could make a product that's better for their customers than what was being manufactured previously, and took the opportunity to do so. That's all there is to it, really.

      The fact is that they agreed to a set of rules which included not making non-DRM players, and they decided to go ahead and make a player that is for all intents and purposes non-DRM.

      If one of the Prince John's tax collectors decides to let some poor peasant keep his money and buy food for his children instead of doing his "duty" by taking every last penny and leaving the peasant to watch his children starve to death, is he a bad guy for breaking the rules ?

      They will be hit with a penalty, no doubt.

      Sure, the Sheriff of Nottingham must deliver the taxes to Prince John, after all.

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  4. Don't buy players from big companies by skinfitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why I always recommend avoiding DVD players badged by large companies.

    Large companies have more to lose if they don't toe the MPAA line (I'm seriously wondering how long it will be until players refuse to play a movie more than once a week or so).

    Buy cheap players packed with features from middle east companies that may not even exist - much harder to threaten a company like that and features sell those sort of players and fierce competition keeps prices low.

  5. My local kebab shop doesn't sue me... by leonbrooks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...if I "reformat" one of their falafel rolls before eating it, so why should a content provider have any say in how you view their content?

    To be certain, it's nice for them to be able to ensure that the original content is high-quality and in a certain order and all, but I should be the one to decide whether I want to watch ads and splash-screens, or even more pointedly whether my kids watch the entire movie or just the 98% of it that isn't offensive.

    Would they care if I piped it into the 320x200 monochrome screen on my mobile 'phone to watch? Or watched it through a filter that corrected for colour blindness? Or just colour-inverted it? Or played it at 120% of realtime? Or toneshifted the soundtrack? Or karaoke style? If so, why?

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    1. Re:My local kebab shop doesn't sue me... by R.D.Olivaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because you are supposed to buy seperate versions of the same movie for you DVD player and for your mobile and you i-pod and your PSP and any future gadget capable of playing movies that you might buy in the future.

  6. Huh? Wow, you're bought & paid for. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The fact is that they agreed to a set of rules which included not making non-DRM players, and they decided to go ahead and make a player that is for all intents and purposes non-DRM."

    Um, by definition this makes them the good guy.

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  7. That silly phrase :) by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So they basically put this number out of their *ss, and whip it out every time things get rough for them :) This is so amazing!

    Samsung: That's it, we're releasing the DVD-s as is.

    MPAA: No! You can't!

    Samsung: WTF?

    MPAA: "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that the movie industry lost $5.4 billion last year due to piracy."

    Samsung: What are those estimates based on, not on Samusng DVD players right?

    MPAA: Can't you read man, come on, SHOCK! See: "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that the movie industry lost $5.4 billion last year due to piracy."

    People: MPAA you're suing your users and manifacturers and keep pulling those numbers out of your *ss and applying silly DRM restriction so people don't buy your production, what did you expect?

    MPAA: And you'll all be sued!!! You know why!? "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that the movie industry lost friggin $5.4 billion last year due to friggin piracy."!!! Estimate=Fact! Estimate=fact!! Don't question us or you be sued!!! Arghh..

  8. 2.5 minutes is *forever* by Otto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If waiting 2,5 minutes for a film to start seems unbearable to him, should he even be watching TV?

    2.5 minutes. That's 150 seconds. Try something: Sit there and count off 150 seconds. That's rather a long freakin' time to be waiting for a video to start, no? It takes less time to make a bag of microwave popcorn.

    Really, waiting 2.5 minutes isn't the problem, it's waiting 2.5 minutes when you know that it's totally pointless that's really annoying.

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    1. Re:2.5 minutes is *forever* by Jarlsberg · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The point is not spending three minutes with your kids, it's the wasted time. When you want to watch a movie, you don't want to pop in the DVD and then wait for several minutes before you can push play.

      It's even worse when you have these kids DVDs that show the loud "you're a thief"-commercial in the beginning. (You wouldn't steal a car blah blah blah). The noise and the imagery is actually quite scary for kids. I'm forced to "pirate" this movie to remove the fricking anti-piracy message from these movies (along with several minutes of commercials -- some Disney movies have 10-15 minutes of non-skippable commercials before the menu starts).

    2. Re:2.5 minutes is *forever* by dwandy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      People can't spend 3 minutes with their children these days with their hectic lives, in order not to have to watch the previews etc.? I think this is getting pretty sick.
      If you think watching an unskippable FBI warning or other crap is quality time with your children then I think you need to re-evaluate...

      For me, the point isn't about 60seconds, or 120 seconds. It's my media. I bought it. I should be able to use it as I see fit, not as they see fit.
      How about from now on, whenever you start your car, it won't move for 3 minutes. You must be buckled in your seat ('cause after the ~3-minutes are up, it starts to move w/o further warning) and on the windshield a video message is displayed about how you need to change your oil to keep the warranty. ...tell me you'd tolerate that from a car manufacturer.

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  9. Major miscalculation by dtsazza · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that the movie industry lost $5.4 billion last year due to piracy.
    More accurately, the MPAA estimates that the retail value of pirated films, etc, was $5.4bn. Now I'm not advocating piracy, but when I was a student a couple of years ago I would download albums and films, and I can personally guarantee that it did not cost the industry any money - simply because as a poor student I couldn't afford to buy them. If I hadn't downloaded them, I just wouldn't have seen them, and that's that.

    The MPAA seems to think there's a dichotomy of pirating films or purchasing them, and by extension that if we make pirating impossible, then every pirate will go out and purchase everything that they would otherwise have pirated. And that, my friends, is a rather baseless claim (even if you're completely unaware of the animosity towards studios in general).
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  10. The cat's *totally* out of the bag by wheany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminds me of what has lately become one of my favorite quotes from The Insider.

    Movies released on DVD have been available in the internet in very good quality since DeCSS. And even before that professional pirates could make a bit-for-bit copy of any DVD that worked just like the original. One DVD player model that made it possible to circumvent DRM does not have any effect on international piratism. Not one fucking bit.

    That cat's totally out of the bag.