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The World Oceans Now 70% Shark Free

wheresjim writes "According to a study published in The Proceedings of The Royal Society, the world's oceans are now about 70% shark free. This is a bad sign for the sharks, the oceans and of course, journalists during slow news cycles."

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  1. /. response. by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing for you to see here, please move along

    70% appropriate.

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  2. Either you're with us you're with the sharks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am shocked to hear this kind of pro-shark fascism being spewed on Slashdot. As we all know, sharks are vile, evil creatures who are a danger and threat to all life and liberty.

    Why do you hate America?

  3. The other 30% by yobjob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are circling around Australian beaches.

    1. Re:The other 30% by Fire+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nope, they went to law-school.

    2. Re:The other 30% by jaymz168 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or are delivering candygrams.

    3. Re:The other 30% by panaceaa · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean Levenshtein distance. The Levenshtein distance between Austria and Australia is 2. Hamming distance doesn't make much sense because the two words are different lengths.

  4. Bad news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is a bad sign for the [...] journalists during slow news cycles.
    Unless, of course, this is slashdot, and they can report on bad signs for real journalists...
  5. By volume? by Toba82 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean that the ocean is 30% sharks by volume? I AM NEVER SWIMMING AGAIN!

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    1. Re:By volume? by jamesh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Worse than that, the polar ice melting is exactly balancing out the extinction of sharks. If we didn't have global warming, you'd have to travel much further to go to the beach!!!

      Or maybe we could just wring out all the sponges that are sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

  6. To all alien tourists... by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... our waters are now 70% shark free! We are now the safest planetary water park in the galaxy for your children! Come now and get 20% off your water slide pass!

    Offer only valid in the next 10 minutes.

  7. Is that like 70% Fat Free? by GrpA · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because if it is, that means that the Oceans are now 30% shark, 70% water... Not a good mix. GrpA

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  8. Batman! by broothal · · Score: 5, Funny

    I blame Batman for dumping his anti-shark-spray into the ocean.

    (if you get that joke you're really old)

  9. Yes but... by sirnuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What was the percentage in recent years? Assuming the trend is decreasing amount of sharks, how fast is it going? If ten years ago, the sharks percentage was decreasing at .0025/year, but now it's .005/year, that's probably really bad. If now the rate is now .001/year, that's more or less a good thing. At the highest point, what percentage of the ocean had sharks?

    Kind of like having a 50% off sale without saying what the original or final price is. Sounds great...

    Graphs are really nice.

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    1. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The summary misinterpreted the article (yeah, BIG surprise). They haven't found 70% of the ocean is NOW shark-free. They have found that, all along, sharks only inhabit about 30% of the available ocean regions.

      What the study found was that below a certain depth (2000 metres) there appear to be no shark species, even though the typical shark prey extend down to much deeper than that. So, while the researchers had assumed that sharks would move throughout the water column, and more species of depth-loving sharks would be found, none were below about 2000m.

      This means that all current known shark species exist in only 30% of the total ocean volume (over 70% being below that 2000m depth). Which means that they are all in close proximity to humans and human fishing activity. Which means that they may be more susceptible to overfishing of that area, since they seem unable to spread to lower ocean levels (the so-called abyssal region) to find more food sources. The linked article suggests that there might be a lack of food sources at lower depths, but another summary I saw mentioned the presence of fish species below this depth - which might indicate that either the fish are in too low a number to sustain the sharks; the sharks are incapable of going to the lower depths due to physiology; or they can't compete with other predator species at those depths (eg. squid?).

      Of course, other studies have indeed shown declining shark populations, and decreasing sizes of adult sharks of various species (such as white pointers and whale sharks) which indicates that there is increasing pressure on shark populations by overfishing of both them and their food sources... but this study didn't look at that.

    2. Re:Yes but... by Grab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whales and squid regularly do serious depths, and are presumed (from the evidence of scars on dead whales and squid parts inside dead whales) to fight each other. Not sure quite why - maybe for a whale, a squid is like a 50-foot fishburger, so it's worth the hassle?

      Grab.

  10. Bad for all of us by LarsWestergren · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a bad sign for the sharks, the oceans and of course, journalists during slow news cycles.

    Actually, if some shark species are threatened by extinction, that is bad news for all of us.

    The savage overexploatation of our oceans is a terrible shame. I get furious when I read about EU subsedies keeping huge Spanish and British fishing fleets running.

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    1. Re:Bad for all of us by aug24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please ensure your facts are at least vaguely right!

      About a minutes googling confirms that the Spanish fleet gets over half of the total EU fishing subsidy, while the British fleet gets about 5%.

      (Incidentally, British waters contain about 40% of the fish. I (am English and) reckon we should quit the EU ASAP.)

      Apart from that, I agree with you.

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    2. Re:Bad for all of us by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, but what about the poor Austrian fishermen? Why aren't you taking them into consideration with your "facts"?

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    3. Re:Bad for all of us by tomrud · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Sure, but what about the poor Austrian fishermen? Why aren't you taking them into consideration with your "facts"?

      We should encurage them to get new jobs. In the Austrian Navy for example.

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  11. Bad news for journalists during slow news? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently not, as they can just write another story about how there are fewer sharks than before.

    1. Re:Bad news for journalists during slow news? by (negative+video) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but if they do it too often the story will ... wait for it ... jump the shark.

  12. If I recall... by Bobzibub · · Score: 3, Informative

    100 Million per year are caught.

    http://www.bigmarinefish.com/sharks.html

    Da da. Da da. Da da.....

    (Sorry sharkies.)

  13. Or read the abstract? by Ksisanth · · Score: 4, Informative

    See online journals of the Royal Society -- it can be found under Proceedings of the Royal Society B:Biological Sciences titled "The absence of sharks from abyssal regions of the world's oceans".

    We propose that they are excluded from the abyss by high-energy demand, including an oil-rich liver for buoyancy, which cannot be sustained in extreme oligotrophic conditions. . . . All populations are therefore within reach of human fisheries, and there is no hidden reserve of chondrichthyan biomass or biodiversity in the deep sea.
  14. Sharks aren't the only benchmark. by Shag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While sharks, as apex predators, are a good indicator of overall biodiversity / availability of tasty biomass in the oceans, figures on some other species are probably at least as alarming.

    I've seen (at things like the UN informal consultative process on oceans and the law of the sea, and the 3rd global conference on oceans, coasts and islands just last month) presentations showing fisheries catch decade-by-decade worldwide, and the trends are just plain scary.

    So many things are being done in totally unsustainable ways that popular tasty species have come close to being wiped out over large areas. Cod around Canada, for example. Tuna in some other areas.

    I like tasty fish and don't want them to all go away. (Yes, here I am subscribing to sustainability defined as "making sure your grandkids get to hunt Bambi, too.")

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    1. Re:Sharks aren't the only benchmark. by DrMrLordX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now would be a good time to learn to live without seafood. Granted, this isn't an option in nations where fish is a common staple in everyone's diet . . .

      Fisherman can either stop fishing now or stop later when there are none left to catch. Fish farms or bust.

  15. Bad reporting by bm_luethke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't tell much of anything from this report.

    It's 70% free compared to what? I don't know. As we explore the depths - do we have any baseline to compare too or is this normal? One possible explaination - what are the others? How good are the others?

    The article cited is so horrid on this I can't get worked up over it. I have no idea what the 70% means, is this compared to known baselines or less than someone somewhere expected, or is it something else?

    I suspect that the original scientific article would clear much of this up, but the report quoted is about as horrid as one can get. I'm not sure if you tried you get any less informed from this. Maybe it has dire ecological warnings - but all I can get is "Someone somewhere thinks something might not be what they expect but have never observed" - which isn't much to get worried over.

    At least it didn't make the front page of slashdot.

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    1. Re:Bad reporting by panaceaa · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's 70% free compared to what?

      Only the Slashdot artcile has the "Now 70% Free" spin.

      Once I noticed this and reread the article, it made a lot more sense -- but it's still a crap article. There's no mention of who the international team of scientists that conducted the study are, and therefore no connection with the scientist quoted and the study. It seems as if the quoted scientist used his opportunity to be quoted in an article to express concern about a real problem, overfishing, without actually knowing about the study itself. Unfortunately the writer took this spin and put it into the opening paragraph and completely threw off the importance of the study.

      What really seems to have been discovered is that there aren't sharks 5,280 feet below sea-level. The original study suspects this is because there's no fish to eat down there, which is a pretty obvious fact considering there's no light down there and very high water pressure. And considering 70% of the world's ocean mass is below 5,280 feet, therefore sharks are not in 70% of the ocean.

    2. Re:Bad reporting by LarsWestergren · · Score: 2, Informative

      What really seems to have been discovered is that there aren't sharks 5,280 feet below sea-level. The original study suspects this is because there's no fish to eat down there, which is a pretty obvious fact considering there's no light down there and very high water pressure.

      There ARE fish there, but not in enough numbers to sustain sharks. Check here, or even better, see David Attenburoughs fantastic series The Blue Planet.

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  16. Of course, they left the oceans ! by javaDragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now they live in Lawyer offices.

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  17. I starve last by Ugly+American · · Score: 3, Funny

    And make some plans for what you will do for food in 2012.

    I've made my plans; they involve some fava beans and a nice chianti.

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  18. Are there fewer sharks than before?? by panaceaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article's spin is that shark populations are dwindling, but what the scientists actually discovered is that sharks do not live in the oceans' abyssal zone, "in perpetual darkness at depths below 6,560 feet". One reasoning given for this is the lack of food at that depth. However, has abundant food ever existed there? Current pelagic trawl fishing nets only descend one half a mile, or 2,640 feet. In addition, sea conditions below 6,560 feet have only capable of being explored by one sea vessel -- the French bathyscaph Trieste -- at least according to Wikipedia. So we have little research into whether fish populations are growing or shrinking at these depths.

    But maybe shark's CAN'T live at these depths due to the lack of light and high water pressure? Most fish in the abyssal zone are pretty bizzare, including the Deep Sea Angler. Why aren't people worried that goldfish aren't down there?

    And the whole "70% shark free" calculation is based on the fact that 70% of the ocean's volume is below 6,560 feet.

    In conclusion, it's nice to know that sharks do not live at the great depths of the ocean, but there's much to learn about that environment before one can form a relationship between that fact and overfishing.

  19. Quoth the sharks... by Kredal · · Score: 3, Funny

    "So long, and thanks for all the surfers"

    Keep an eye out for Vogons, people.

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  20. midget sharks by Mahou · · Score: 2, Funny

    they prefer to be called little people eaters

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  21. Surprised no one else has asked... by unitron · · Score: 3, Funny

    So does this decline mean that sharks have jumped the shark?

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  22. So I guess this means by rpjs · · Score: 2, Funny

    That we aren't going to need a bigger boat after all.

  23. Re:Bloody disgrace! by pilybaby · · Score: 2, Funny

    What gives them the right?

    That they're higher in the food chain.

  24. Candygram... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny

    In related news, 40% of the Earth's land area is infested with sharks. Scientists blame evolution while religious leaders said it was some god's punishment for something they hate and lots of people enjoy or something.

  25. oblig. fortune by arabagast · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... So the documentary-makers stick with sharks. Generally, their
    procedure is to scatter bleeding fish pieces around their boat, so as
    to infest the waters. I would estimate that the primary food source of
    sharks today is bleeding fish pieces scattered by people making
    documentaries. Once the sharks arrive, they are generally fairly
    listless. The general shark attitude seems to be: "Oh God, another
    documentary." So the divers have to somehow goad them into attacking,
    under the guise of Scientific Research. "We know very little about the
    effect of electricity on sharks," the narrator will say, in a deeply
    scientific voice. "That is why Todd is going to jab this Great White
    in the testicles with a cattle prod." The divers keep this kind of
    thing up until the shark finally gets irritated and snaps at them, and
    then they act as though this was a totally unexpected and very
    dangerous development, although clearly it is what they wanted all
    along.
                                    -- Dave Barry, "The Wonders of Sharks on TV"

    Seems like the documentary people has stopped feeding the sharks

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  26. if the farmed fish didn't taste weird by r00t · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wild Alaskan salmon tastes a bit like shrimp. This is unsurprising, because they eat krill. (krill is like shrimp)

    Farmed salmon taste a bit like corn. Hmmm. Any guess why that might be?

  27. As an avid scuba diver by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This really pisses me off. Sharks belong in the ocean, not on a dinner plate or in soup.
    Sharks are not schooling fish like tuna.
    I used to see lots of sharks when I dove, I love them, now its rare to see one.
    Too many people misunderstand sharks, leave them the hell alone, they have been here longer than us.

    Sharks rule.