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iTunes, One Billion Suckers Served?

Thomas Hawk writes "Apple is out hyping their one billionth iTunes download today, but is building your music library in a format that could be obsolete in the future really the best strategy? Will the consumer once again have to someday replace their iTunes track just like they had to replace their LP, cassette, and CD only to get their music on their hot new non Apple mp3 phone of the future? "

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  1. Doesn't work quite so well by DreadSpoon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Converting to any other format is going to cause a loss of quality. Even if you go to WAV or CD Audio, if you ever want to rip it back into some compressed format, you're going to lose quality.

    Also, if you rip to WAV or CD, you lose all the meta-data for the track. So if you want to know the Artist, Title, and Album, you're going to have to re-enter that info on your own.

    There's also no clean/easy way to export to MP3. Even if you jump through the hoops to do it, though, you're back to loss of quality.

    I just went through the hell of exporting all my iTunes-purchased songs into Oggs so that I can play them on my Linux box, which has the nice sound system. That took quite a few burned CDs and I still haven't gotten the Oggs all retagged yet. Plus there's the quality issue, which while I've only noticed anything in a couple songs, that's still more quality issue than I would prefer.

    1. Re:Doesn't work quite so well by bob+whoops · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linux can play .m4a files.

    2. Re:Doesn't work quite so well by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      eh, the problem is on the mastering end. When producing 95+% of albums the engineer takes the nice clean studio sound he has recorded and mixed with and then applies a bunch of post production filters and compression techniques to the sound for the final cut to make it "pop" on "average" sound systems. I know I've been guilty of doing it when reviewing an album on normal stereos instead of the $10K monitors or my Sennheisers. For the vast majority of stuff out there today you aren't going to get any better sound out of DVD-A then out of CD's because the stuff has been post produced to hell to sound good on $20 radio shack speakers and car FM radios.

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    3. Re:Doesn't work quite so well by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, it's not just a high bitrate mp4 file, it uses a different compression technology completely. See the wiki entry. Note that there is a cleanroom open source implementation which means it should always be playable.

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    4. Re:Doesn't work quite so well by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you try jHymn? I'm deliberately staying on iTunes 5 so I can un-DRM the stuff I buy with jHymn. My Linux box plays AAC quite happily so I'm not going to the extra step of converting them to ogg. With jHymn you get to keep all the metadata too.

  2. Re:works half as well... by johnrpenner · · Score: 4, Informative


    > Converting to any other format is going to cause a loss of quality.
    > Even if you go to WAV or CD Audio, if you ever want to rip it back
    > into some compressed format, you're going to lose quality.

    the quality you get from converting from aac > aiff will BE what you hear,
    because the aac file has to decompress for you to hear it!! -- so it is not
    less quality doing your aac backup to AIFF (and then you could convert
    back to apple-lossless encoding if you want to save some space).

    your second point, however, is correct -- you will lose quality
    if you convert back from aiff TO some other lossless format,
    due to dithering and artifacts.

    in short:
    i) lossy (aac) -> lossless (aiff) = no quality loss
    ii) lossy (aac) -> lossless (aiff) -> lossy (mp3/ogg/whatever) = quality loss

  3. Re:you can backup all your itunes purchases by cmdrbuzz · · Score: 4, Informative
    itunes 6 only allows you to burn 5 CDs then burning is locked out forever.

    Got any proof of this, because iTunes 6 on my Mac says:

    If your playlist includes songs that were purchased from the iTunes Music Store, you can only burn seven copies of the playlist to an audio CD. You may have exceeded the number of times you can burn this playlist.
    You can then create a new playlist with your iTunes Music Store songs on and burn again 7 more times....

    Maybe your getting confused with the play protected songs on 5 authorized computers at a time?

  4. Re:you can backup all your itunes purchases by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative
    What the hell are you talking about? iTunes allows you to burn up to 7 copies of the same playlist. You can change the playlist and burn 7 more if you want. There are no limits to the number of times you can burn a song....

    The only limit is to the number of times you can burn a single playlist (i.e. burning a copy of a CD for your friends with all the tracks in order). This is spelled out in the Terms of Service.

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  5. Re:works half as well... by Jerf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, some lossless encoders tend to *enhance* artifacts that wern't previously there. So sometimes, they do sound worse.

    If the putatively "lossless" encoder produces output that decodes to anything other than what the original input decodes to, then by definition it was not lossless.

    (If the way I phrased that sounds odd, I wrote it to handle the MP3 -> FLAC "direct" encoding case. "Encodes to anything other than its input" isn't quite right in that case. I'm sure you can FLAC an MP3 file with the right command line argument but you won't get much out of it.)

    Thus, if a lossless encoder adds artefacts, it is, ipso facto, not lossless.

    Given the relative ease of testing a lossless encoder/decoder combo and the testing any one you've ever heard of has gone through, I find it far more likely that either A: An encoder you think is lossless is in fact lossy, B: You've got a serious flaw in your encoding software (rice up our Gentoo install too much, maybe?) or C: You're full of shit.

  6. In general, different. by Cybert14 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Remember, it's AIFF -> AAC -> AIFF -> AAC. The first AIFF is the original, and the second AIFF has lost some of the information. Keep doing it and you probably end up with a concert A sine wave :) .

  7. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You do realize, if your wife changes the playlist by just one song, she can then burn the songs again.

  8. Re:Pimp my blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's so not true I'm not even sure what the hell it is you think you're saying.

    If you put music on your iPod, you still have it in iTunes on your computer. If you backup your computer often enough, then you have a backup of your music, plus whatever's on your iPod is a secondary backup. So if your computer crashes, it's the same as any data. You've got a backup if you've made a backup.

    Now, if for some reason you haven't made any backups and your hard drive completely crashes so you can't retrieve data after the fact, or you've deleted music from iTunes after copying it to your iPod, that would result in a situation similar to what you describe, where your only backup is whatever you've put on your iPod.

    In that case, once you've fixed your computer, connecting it does not automatically wipe your iPod, and it is possible to retrieve the music files on your iPod.