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Jurassic Beavers Challenge Current Mammal Theories

Bombula writes "According to a BBC article, Castorocauda lutrasimilis, a beaver-like creature discovered in the Jiulongshan Formation in China which apparently lived 164 million years ago, poses challenges to conventional theory of mammalian history. That is, of course, assuming this is a genuine fossil - no small assumption, given Chinese fossils' track record of forgery, fabrication, and fraud."

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  1. Discussion of fake fossils by OwnStile · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can find some examples of fossil forgeries at http://www.paleodirect.com/fakechinesefossils1.htm

  2. Discovering Beaver by NCraig · · Score: 4, Funny
    That is, of course, assuming this is a genuine fossil - no small assumption, given Chinese fossils' track record of forgery, fabrication, and fraud."
    This certainly wouldn't be the first time that anyone's exaggerated the amount of beaver they've uncovered.
    1. Re:Discovering Beaver by zephc · · Score: 4, Funny

      ah, quick on the draw with the beaver jokes.

      "I haven't seen this many fossilized beavers since I worked at the old folks home" Ouch.

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  3. Jurassic Park Beavers......... by Rank_Tyro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember, when confronted with a Jurassic Beaver, make sure to stand perfectly still. They can only see movement.

      OH NO....ARGHHHHHHH!!!

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  4. Yea, what have the chinese ever done for us by Andy+Gardner · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Chinese fossils' track record of forgery, fabrication, and fraud" That applies to all of China's `inventions`...

    I suppose papermaking, the compass, gunpowder and printing never were that noteworthy anyway...

  5. Chinese Beaver by Bueller_007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's easy to tell if it's a real Chinese beaver or not. Real Chinese beavers are very small and they taste like salted cashews.

  6. More like a platypus by ynotds · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article's authors must have been less interested in generating Australian interest than Slashdot sometimes seems to be, but save for the shape of its mouth the fossilised critter appears to have had much more in common with Australia's peculiar aquatic monotreme than with the mentioned northern hemisphere placentals.

    The fossil even has spurs on its hind legs just where the modern platypus has its unique-amongst-mammalia poison delivery system. Front legs equipped for burrowing suggests in may have also used very playpus-like diggings.

    While detailed dental structure is particularly important for cladistics, it is also something that can be subject to high selection pressure -- you have to keep eating -- so it would not be that unlikely that an otter-like snout would evolve into that equally unique to mammals duck bill during a 165 million year river journey from China to Oz.

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  7. If it sounds to be too good to be true by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Interesting
    it probably is.

    On the other hand - the mammals didn't originate from nothing 65 million years ago, but they were at the time more adaptable than the reptiles. This means that mammals must have existed earlier than 65 million years ago, but it is likely that they resembled mice and other small mammals and fed on insects and vegetation.

    Most fossils that we actually have from the jurassic period are large and important as they seem they are likely to be the top of an iceberg where the mass of animals are likely to be small. Unfortunately - small dead animals are likely to dissolve completely or have been eaten to the very last piece. This means that finding small fossilized animals will help us to understand the evolution better - so start digging!

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  8. Re:FU-Darwin by RsG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right, because the only possible explanation for this must be that our entire theory of evolution must be out to lunch. No, it couldn't possibly be anything else /sarcasm.

    Every single time the theory of evolution needs to be revised, you ID/creationist zealots pounce and proclaim that "evolution is disproved!!!" Bullshit.

    A scientific theory is subject to revision when and if new data shows itself. That is in part why they're called theories - theory in science does not mean "guess", as ID proponants like to insinuate, but rather means an explanation for a phenominon that is as current as our understanding can make it. When we learn more, we go back and make changes to a theory to account for the new data.

    Theories are almost never completely thrown out, but are often radically altered as we become more knowledgeable; Einstein didn't disprove Newton's theories about motion, but because of him we do know far more than Newton did in his time.

    This does not disprove Darwin. Quit salavating; your bias is showing.

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  9. Uhh... It Was a Joint US/Chinese Team by Black-Man · · Score: 4, Informative

    In a seperate article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, they talked with the rep from the Carnegie Museum of Natural History who was part of the team that made the discovery. It was not solely Chinese. It was funded by the Carnegie and I suppose the fossils will be on display in PIttsburgh at some point.